[redfox]

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Originally Posted by Vex

If I had to guess, the first D+ could come very soon and consist of:

Wanda (some iteration)
Vision (some interation)
Falcon
Winter Soldier
Agent 13/Sharon Carter
Zemo

I'm torn on who the BAF could be and if the wave would really consist of more than six figures. I'd think they'd maybe double pack either the titular characters of WandaVision or Falcon and The Winter Soldier.

A leaked list for this Disney+ wave has been floating around for a bit. The current line-up is:

1. Wanda
2. Vision
3. Falcon
4. Winter Soldier
5. Zemo
6. USAgent
7. Loki
BAF: Currently Unknown

I wouldn't expect the entire wave to be revealed too soon as Hasbro has stated that Marvel is being extremely tight-lipped in regards to potential spoilers for these new shows. Though I could see the reveals trickle out similar to how the above-mentioned Vision was shown shortly after debuting on screen.

[Vex]

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Originally Posted by redfox

A leaked list for this Disney+ wave has been floating around for a bit. The current line-up is:

1. Wanda
2. Vision
3. Falcon
4. Winter Soldier
5. Zemo
6. USAgent
7. Loki
BAF: Currently Unknown

I wouldn't expect the entire wave to be revealed too soon as Hasbro has stated that Marvel is being extremely tight-lipped in regards to potential spoilers for these new shows. Though I could see the reveals trickle out similar to how the above-mentioned Vision was shown shortly after debuting on screen.

Oh wow, okay! I'll definitely take those substitutions. I'm sure Sharon will come along somewhere. Stumped on the BAF unless it'll be a more regular sized human character a la Okoye and Mantis.

[Veronica Mars]

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Originally Posted by redfox

A leaked list for this Disney+ wave has been floating around for a bit. The current line-up is:

1. Wanda
2. Vision
3. Falcon
4. Winter Soldier
5. Zemo
6. USAgent
7. Loki
BAF: Currently Unknown

I wouldn't expect the entire wave to be revealed too soon as Hasbro has stated that Marvel is being extremely tight-lipped in regards to potential spoilers for these new shows. Though I could see the reveals trickle out similar to how the above-mentioned Vision was shown shortly after debuting on screen.

I have my doubts about the inclusion of Loki being accurate, if this first wave is due in May, the Loki show doesn't start until June

[Vex]

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Originally Posted by Veronica Mars

I have my doubts about the inclusion of Loki being accurate, if this first wave is due in May, the Loki show doesn't start until June

Once you watch the WandaVision finale, I'm genuinely curious to hear your opinion on THAT awesome new look since I know you were stoked to get a figure of THAT catchy reveal a few weeks ago.

[Trivial Psychic]

I'm in the minority and it would be a pipe dream...but I hope we don't see another MCU figure for a while. Hasbro has a track record of putting out half completed MCU figures, only to re-release them FULLY COMPLETED a short time later with extra perks, paints, bells and whistles, while giving a stiff middle finger to those who got in on the original release for whatever release. It's a constant slap in the face and an almost abusive businesses tactic to the consumer, and something I'd like to see stop. There was no excuse for that BS with Red Guardian...or Black Panther, or Kilmonger, or Iron Spider, or Thanos (THREE TIMES!!!)...or....need I go on?

Let these things marinate and fully cook in the oven for a while, so they're perfect for when they finally release...

[Vex]

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Originally Posted by Trivial Psychic

There was no excuse for that BS with Red Guardian...or Black Panther, or Killmonger, or Iron Spider, or Thanos (THREE TIMES!!!)...or....need I go on?

Let these things marinate and fully cook in the oven for a while, so they're perfect for when they finally release...

Cull Obsidian, Proxima Midnight, Ebony Maw, Hela (arguably)

[Black Arbor]

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Originally Posted by Trivial Psychic

I'm in the minority and it would be a pipe dream...but I hope we don't see another MCU figure for a while. Hasbro has a track record of putting out half completed MCU figures, only to re-release them FULLY COMPLETED a short time later with extra perks, paints, bells and whistles, while giving a stiff middle finger to those who got in on the original release for whatever release. It's a constant slap in the face and an almost abusive businesses tactic to the consumer, and something I'd like to see stop. There was no excuse for that BS with Red Guardian...or Black Panther, or Kilmonger, or Iron Spider, or Thanos (THREE TIMES!!!)...or....need I go on?

Let these things marinate and fully cook in the oven for a while, so they're perfect for when they finally release...

Thier Thanos hijinks had no excuse, but other figures I understand. You wanna have merch on shelves for the movie, Marvel probably isn't giving them a lot of details so as to avoid spoilers (though I remember the MCU Rescue armor as a basic figure being leaked months before Endgame haha). And if the figures on shelves don't sell, they'll have no desire to do corrected versions. It really sucks anyw ay you slice it!

[TheBlueMarvel]

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Originally Posted by Black Arbor

Thier Thanos hijinks had no excuse, but other figures I understand. You wanna have merch on shelves for the movie, Marvel probably isn't giving them a lot of details so as to avoid spoilers (though I remember the MCU Rescue armor as a basic figure being leaked months before Endgame haha). And if the figures on shelves don't sell, they'll have no desire to do corrected versions. It really sucks anyw ay you slice it!

My interest in MCU figs ranges somewhere between nil and, at best, tepid, but I'll still weigh in and offer caution regarding so easily excusing bad behavior on the part of a manufacturer. As Triv said, this smacks of a deliberate tactic at this point and, as has also been said here, it behooves the collecting crowd to exercise some restraint in rushing out to buy figs that will likely receive Hasbro's 1.5 and 2.0 treatment.

This isn't a one way circuit; collectors actually have the ability to influence the industry via sales. I know collectors take some measure of pride in the notion that we're 'in the know', but it seems counterproductive to make excuses for manufacturers abdicating what little power we might have in influencing change. There are so many Legends koolaid drinkers (not necessarily you) that Hasbro barely needs a PR team at this juncture.

[Trivial Psychic]

Well said as always BM ^^

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Originally Posted by Black Arbor

Thier Thanos hijinks had no excuse, but other figures I understand. You wanna have merch on shelves for the movie, Marvel probably isn't giving them a lot of details so as to avoid spoilers (though I remember the MCU Rescue armor as a basic figure being leaked months before Endgame haha). And if the figures on shelves don't sell, they'll have no desire to do corrected versions. It really sucks anyw ay you slice it!

Merchandise for a good film is gonna sell no matter when you release it. Having it available when a film releases helps strike when the iron is hot, but it is not necessary. Look no further than Black Series, or NECA's various horror and movie franchise figures if you need further proof of that.

I want to give Hasbro the benefit of the doubt there...but I can't. It's a pattern that's been repeated by them far too many times that's since morphed into a sales tactic. The first release of an MCU character is something that is typically released in a wave and usually is included with a BAF part (locking in an incentive to buy in case one decides to hold out for a re-release) and when the 1.5 version re-release comes, it ALMOST ALWAYS comes as part of a set,..usually as part of a two or three pack where you are either...

A. forced into a higher price point (in addition to the five to ten dollars extra that Hasbro has been tacking on to anything with a fancy meaningless branding...such as Studio 10th or Marvel 80th.)

B. Scour the secondary market in hopes that there is someone offering the 1.5 edition at a fair price, which 9 times out of ten....is priced at the 2 or 3 pack's retail...or even higher.

C. Play the waiting game in hopes of a clearance sale which may or may not ever come.

And finally...

D. Miss out on the 1.5 version altogether due to hook or crook.

Don't believe me...go ahead and look up how many times these re-released, updated versions of figures you already own come in a multi-pack or exclusive set of some sort. You'll be stunned.

The recent Red Guardian situation in particular shows how deliberate Hasbro is with this strategy. There were images of helmeted RG popping up online for months before a trailer ever dropped. Hasbro had the information and simply chose not to release the figure completed knowing that they had something else coming down the pike. They did the same thing with Kilmonger. That BP wave was barely in stores when suddenly the two pack with Ross was announced, with a more accurate paint job, weapons, and a MBJ headsculpt. The headsculpt would have had to have been scanned during the development of the wave itself considering how fast Hasbro announced that two pack, because those things do take time to develop and refine, yet there it was, ready to go...just not for those us who grabbed the version included in the wave because we wanted to complete Okoye.

Outside of responding with our wallets and asking Hasbro to do better, there is little to much we can do because like BM said...there are a lot of kool-aid drinkers out there who are just too damn impatient to wait a few months, or to just do without altogether, ESPECIALLY when it comes to the MCU fans.

It is an apples and oranges comparison I know, but there is a reason that Hot Toys figures don't release for a year or more after their announcements, and usually aren't announced until after a film has came and left theaters. One could say that it's because of the price point and high end quality...to which you have a solid case....but to that...I say that it's also because they have a reputation and a standard to maintain. They want to get it right. And at their price point, they damn sure better get it right because when your customer base is dropping 250 plus dollars a figure, they are gonna let you know when you fuck up and are gonna expect you to do something to fix it.

Too often I've heard "well...what do you expect from a twenty dollar figure?" To that I simply hold up my Fox Mystique, Deadpool and Amazon exclusive Wolverine, my Sony Venom, and my Spiderverse Miles Morales (all of which were released a year or more after those films respectively hit the box office,) and I say...

"for twenty dollars....This...because with a little time and better effort, it's possible."

[Ultra Seven]

^
Damn, that’s a mic drop if I’ve ever heard one. Miles specifically is a fantastic example because the Spider-Verse figures are selling like gangbusters in my neck of the woods. Several friends of mine who don’t otherwise collect Legends were over the moon for those figures. Released substantially after the film, but popular because the demand was there. I understand wanting to have figures on shelves for release, but the delay doesn’t seem to be hurting Mandalorian’s action figures.

[Veronica Mars]

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Originally Posted by Vex

Once you watch the WandaVision finale, I'm genuinely curious to hear your opinion on THAT awesome new look since I know you were stoked to get a figure of THAT catchy reveal a few weeks ago.

I love the new look, I hope it translates over well since the legends team most likely only got preproduction concept art. For anyone who hasn't watched the finale, there's a mid credit scene and a post credit scene

[Dr Kain]

The finale to WandaVision was freaking epic! I wish the Netflix shows had been this good!

[Veronica Mars]

We have Kevin Feige to thank for Netflix and the other shows not being everything they could have been, he left them to flounder

[En Sabah Nerd]

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Originally Posted by Trivial Psychic

Too often I've heard "well...what do you expect from a twenty dollar figure?" To that I simply hold up my Fox Mystique, Deadpool and Amazon exclusive Wolverine, my Sony Venom, and my Spiderverse Miles Morales (all of which were released a year or more after those films respectively hit the box office,) and I say...

"for twenty dollars....This...because with a little time and better effort, it's possible."

Hey, some of those were $25

[MeLikeJinx]

Maybe in the Black Widow movie David Harbour only wears his mask in that one fight scene with Tasky... then the rest of the movie he doesn't wear his mask. I guess they still could have included an alt masked head though with the original figure. It will be so strange once the movie hits and if it is really good so many people will be scrambling to find all the figs that pegwarmed for so long everywhere.

[Onslaught]

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Originally Posted by Veronica Mars

We have Kevin Feige to thank for Netflix and the other shows not being everything they could have been, he left them to flounder

He had no input on those shows as they were under the umbrella of Marvel Television, you have Jeph Loeb to thank for those.

[Benn Roe]

The jury's out on whether those shows are even part of the MCU in the post-Loeb era. Several actors from Luke Cage have played, or will soon play, different characters in the MCU, which (while not definitive) is evidence they don't intend them to count as the MCU anymore. Maybe Charlie Cox's rumoured appearance in Spider-Man 3 will clear things up.

[Veronica Mars]

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Originally Posted by Onslaught

He had no input on those shows as they were under the umbrella of Marvel Television, you have Jeph Loeb to thank for those.

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Originally Posted by Benn Roe

The jury's out on whether those shows are even part of the MCU in the post-Loeb era. Several actors from Luke Cage have played, or will soon play, different characters in the MCU, which (while not definitive) is evidence they don't intend them to count as the MCU anymore. Maybe Charlie Cox's rumoured appearance in Spider-Man 3 will clear things up.

The shows were initially intended to be part of the same shared universe, hence Jaimie Alexander (Sif) appearing on Agents of SHIELD, however Marvel Studios got cagey and stopped communicating with Marvel TV about the collaborative efforts. There are a couple interviews with Chloe Bennett(Skye/Daisy/Quake) about how the "shared" universe was (not) handled

[jwyss234]

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Originally Posted by Benn Roe

The jury's out on whether those shows are even part of the MCU in the post-Loeb era. Several actors from Luke Cage have played, or will soon play, different characters in the MCU, which (while not definitive) is evidence they don't intend them to count as the MCU anymore. Maybe Charlie Cox's rumoured appearance in Spider-Man 3 will clear things up.

I seriously question whether we'll see Jessica Jones, Iron Fist, and Punisher anytime soon. Aside from Jessica Jones' first season, I can't recall anyone speaking very positively of the last two seasons of JJ or either season of Iron Fist. Kate Bishop and Shang-Chi seem like avenues for Marvel to tell similar stories but with a fresh start. And before anyone asks about Kate, she's been working as a P.I. in Los Angeles in the comics in recent years.

As for the Punisher, IIRC both seasons had the terrible luck of premiering around the same time of a public shooting. Obviously no one involved with the show wanted that and they delayed the premieres out of respect for the victims. But that's a pretty dark cloud to hang over any movie or tv show.

[Dr Kain]

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Originally Posted by Benn Roe

The jury's out on whether those shows are even part of the MCU in the post-Loeb era. Several actors from Luke Cage have played, or will soon play, different characters in the MCU, which (while not definitive) is evidence they don't intend them to count as the MCU anymore. Maybe Charlie Cox's rumoured appearance in Spider-Man 3 will clear things up.

Considering the first season of DareDevil is all because of the invasion from the first Avengers, they are in the same universe.

[redfox]

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Originally Posted by Veronica Mars

I have my doubts about the inclusion of Loki being accurate, if this first wave is due in May, the Loki show doesn't start until June

It's definitely a "grain-of-salt" situation. Though, I kinda assumed they'd release him in his Avengers getup for the initial wave and then any possible spoilery looks months later for the second wave. Similar to how they handled the Mandalorian's armor upgrades in the Black series.

Regardless, I can't wait to see an updated Wanda. No spoilers, I've just never been a fan of the Elizabeth Olsen face-sculpt that they used for her initial Civil War Legends figure. The photo-real re-paint for Infinity War was much appreciated, but still didn't completely hit the mark due to that underlying sculpt.

[En Sabah Nerd]

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Originally Posted by redfox

It's definitely a "grain-of-salt" situation. Though, I kinda assumed they'd release him in his Avengers getup for the initial wave and then any possible spoilery looks months later for the second wave. Similar to how they handled the Mandalorian's armor upgrades in the Black series.

I could easily see Loki being in the first D+ wave since the trailer and posters for his show have already revealed a new look so it's not really a spoiler if it gets a toy ahead of the show. In contrast the Wandavision figure already revealed is very much a spoiler and the other one we better damn well get would be a spoiler too.

[Benn Roe]

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Originally Posted by Dr Kain

Considering the first season of DareDevil is all because of the invasion from the first Avengers, they are in the same universe.

All that means is that they were intended to be in the same, or a similar, universe. Nobody crossed over between the movies and TV shows except in Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D., and even that show completely glossed over the blip, leading to the theory that, retroactively, it's an alternate universe or timeline. Like Veronica Mars said, the original intention was for the shows to be part of the MCU, but Feige got cold feet, and now it's pretty unlikely they're part of MCU canon. I don't think they'd want Mahershala Ali playing both Cottonmouth and Blade in the same universe, right? And was guilt-tripping Tony Stark into signing the Sokovia Accords part of Mariah Dillard's brilliant plan to rule Harlem? They're biding their time to see if it makes sense for those stories to be part of the tapestry that is the MCU.

[Dr Kain]

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Originally Posted by Benn Roe

Nobody crossed over between the movies and TV shows

That doesn't mean anything though. Not every character in the comics crosses over either. Doesn't make them not part of that universe.

I get what you are saying though.

I can't comment on Agents of Shield with the blip thing since I quit the show after Season 4. From my understanding though, Shield's final few seasons took place before the blip.

[En Sabah Nerd]

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Originally Posted by Dr Kain

From my understanding though, Shield's final few seasons took place before the blip.

I don't remember which season it was but when they were fighting Graviton somebody name-dropped Thanos and stated that he was arriving on Earth (circa Infinity War), and the snap happens within a day of Thanos' forces arriving on Earth yet Agents of SHIELD totally ignores it being a thing. I just chalk it up to AoS becoming a divergent timeline due to their own multiple instances of time travel.