[Archangel]

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Originally Posted by sh002

The cards are meant to be related to releases so there’s possibly a new Abomination, Mephisto, Blackheart, Terrax, Baron Zemo, and Leader coming.

I bet Terrax is a goal on the HasLab Galactus.

[hasbroherofan]

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Originally Posted by Nimrod

I can think of a boatload of bad guys that have yet to be made in figure form that I'd prefer over the Demon clan. Asides from GR, who else they gonna be fighting?

Mephisto fights everyone and Blackheart has also gotten around the Marvel Universe quite a bit.

[Nimrod]

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Originally Posted by hasbroherofan

Mephisto fights everyone and Blackheart has also gotten around the Marvel Universe quite a bit.

Meh, last time I remember Mephisto playing a prevalent role was during the IF saga in the 90s When he was trying to manipulate Thanos & then went against him in the subsequent Infinity war crossovers & sequels. Mostly think of him & his son as GR villains/antagonists. Even GR, cool a character as he is, has always had a very small villains rogues list. Vengeance along with the Father/Son demon combo is bout it. Their 90s popularity has seriously waned since then,

[TheBlueMarvel]

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Originally Posted by Nimrod

I can think of a boatload of bad guys that have yet to be made in figure form that I'd prefer over the Demon clan. Asides from GR, who else they gonna be fighting?

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Originally Posted by Nimrod

Meh, last time I remember Mephisto playing a prevalent role was during the IF saga in the 90s When he was trying to manipulate Thanos & then went against him in the subsequent Infinity war crossovers & sequels. Mostly think of him & his son as GR villains/antagonists. Even GR, cool a character as he is, has always had a very small villains rogues list. Vengeance along with the Father/Son demon combo is bout it. Their 90s popularity has seriously waned since then,

Short list:

Silver Surfer
Fantastic Four
Black Panther
Daredevil
Spider-Man
Wolverine
Punisher
Ghost Rider
The Avengers
The West Coast Avengers (via Master Pandemonium, another character I want)
The Xmen
X-Factor
Galactus
Dr. Strange
Etc...

It's sort of comical that you said that, especially given your demonstrated knowledge of Marvel.

They'll get to the remake of the Wrecking Crew...don't fret. Until then, people (myself included) have been requesting a revsit of Blackheart for a long time and scratching our heads at the Select version being our only option for Mephisto. The tease in this list is a welcome one.

[StuartGreen2019]

If we do get a second Bring On The Bad Guys wave, I'm curious if Abomination would be the Build-A-Figure or a Deluxe Fan Channel release. I just hope the next inevitable Leader figure is the orange-and-black suit version with the "Jiffy Pop" giant brain (after reading that description about Leader once in Wizard Magazine #60, I've never gotten that out of my head). Since Hasbro has some kind of Captain America figure planned, I'd love to see that revealed as well to go with the rumored Baron Zemo figure.

I also hope we'll finally see the Retro Fantastic Four figures on Wednesday. I hope that we get a fully visible Invisible Woman for the main wave and that Hasbro eventually makes figures of a completely invisible Invisible Woman and a new Human Torch with "grill lines" on the figure's body. And of course, more figures of Fantastic Four villains are always welcome.

I'm also curious about what Hasbro has planned for Spider-Man. We've seen some 'No Way Home' figures, but since we don't have a trailer and some sites are saying the film may be delayed to 2022 due to COVID, does this mean the line will be pushed back or will it come out before the movie like the 'Black Widow' movie Legends wave? I also really, REALLY hope we'll see some Retro Spider-Man figures. I know I keep saying that I hope they make a "Death of Captain Stacy" suit and glasses version of Doc Ock with bendable wire tentacles, but I'd also love to see if the rumored classic figures for Lizard, Shocker, black costume Spider-Man and Hobgoblin turn out to be true.

I hope you all are having a great day and stay safe, everyone.

[hasbroherofan]

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Originally Posted by Nimrod

Meh, last time I remember Mephisto playing a prevalent role was during the IF saga in the 90s When he was trying to manipulate Thanos & then went against him in the subsequent Infinity war crossovers & sequels. Mostly think of him & his son as GR villains/antagonists. Even GR, cool a character as he is, has always had a very small villains rogues list. Vengeance along with the Father/Son demon combo is bout it. Their 90s popularity has seriously waned since then,

No offense, but the entire line is not planned around when you were, and weren't reading comics. As Blue Marvel just pointed out, Mephisto has been featured prominently in many stories since then and has clashed with numerous Marvel heroes. You not having read those stories is not the same as them not existing or other fans not considering him a prominent villain.

[Black Arbor]

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Originally Posted by hasbroherofan

No offense, but the entire line is not planned around when you were, and weren't reading comics. As Blue Marvel just pointed out, Mephisto has been featured prominently in many stories since then and has clashed with numerous Marvel heroes. You not having read those stories is not the same as them not existing or other fans not considering him a prominent villain.

Right? Plus, Mephisto played a pretty big role in a little comic called Spider-Man back in the early aughts, something to do with saving Aunt May's geriatric hiney by making Spidey give up his marriage? I've tried to scrub the finer details from my mind haha

[Harbinger]

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Originally Posted by Black Arbor

Right? Plus, Mephisto played a pretty big role in a little comic called Spider-Man back in the early aughts, something to do with saving Aunt May's geriatric hiney by making Spidey give up his marriage? I've tried to scrub the finer details from my mind haha

Dan slott….only person who more terrible is brian bendis

[Black Arbor]

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Originally Posted by Harbinger

Dan slott….only person who more terrible is brian bendis

Wait wasn't it J Michael Strysinski?

[Harbinger]

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Originally Posted by Black Arbor

Wait wasn't it J Michael Strysinski?

Was it? I tried so hard to forget that mess. Slott is still a crummy writer.

[StuartGreen2019]

J. Michael Straczynski and Joe Quesada wrote "One More Day" and then Quesada wrote the just-as-terrible "One Moment in Time". Dan Slott wrote a lot of Spider-Man stories I didn't care for as well, such as "Spider-Island", "Ends of the Earth", "Superior Spider-Man" and the Peter Starker run of "Amazing". Slott's run on Spider-Man is one of the worst I've ever read, but quite frankly, Spider-Man hasn't been the same since "One More Day". I haven't bought a 616 Spider-Man comic, or Marvel comic, regularly since the "Sins Past"/"Civil War"/"One More Day" nonsense.

Back on topic, I'm curious to see what Marvel Legends figures get revealed on Wednesday's livestream.

[Dr Kain]

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Originally Posted by Nimrod

I can think of a boatload of bad guys that have yet to be made in figure form that I'd prefer over the Demon clan. Asides from GR, who else they gonna be fighting?

I'm worried that if Hasbro ever does a Mephisto figure Mary Jane is going to disappear from my Spider-Man shelf.

[Shinzero02]

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Originally Posted by Dr Kain

I'm worried that if Hasbro ever does a Mephisto figure Mary Jane is going to disappear from my Spider-Man shelf.

It'd just be adult Mary Jane though. The 'Retro' one that you can make using the Gwen Stacy figure should be fine.

[TheBlueMarvel]

Mary Jane didn't disappear, they just didn't marry. Mephisto erased the history of their deep and abiding love.

[Harbinger]

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Originally Posted by TheBlueMarvel

Mary Jane didn't disappear, they just didn't marry. Mephisto erased the history of their deep and abiding love.

And all those kinky boink sessions using web fluid.

[Boogieman4hire]

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Originally Posted by Harbinger

And all those kinky boink sessions using web fluid.

[Harbinger]

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Originally Posted by Boogieman4hire

Wellllllll…..that i cant unsee. Haha

[Nimrod]

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Originally Posted by TheBlueMarvel

Short list:

Silver Surfer
Fantastic Four
Black Panther
Daredevil
Spider-Man
Wolverine
Punisher
Ghost Rider
The Avengers
The West Coast Avengers (via Master Pandemonium, another character I want)
The Xmen
X-Factor
Galactus
Dr. Strange
Etc...

It's sort of comical that you said that, especially given your demonstrated knowledge of Marvel.

They'll get to the remake of the Wrecking Crew...don't fret. Until then, people (myself included) have been requesting a revsit of Blackheart for a long time and scratching our heads at the Select version being our only option for Mephisto. The tease in this list is a welcome one.

Well heck, For being the Lord of the underworld, he isn't that tough if street fighter level heroes such as Spidey, DD, Punisher, Wolvy & Black Panther have beaten him. I personally don't care for the character but for those of you that do, I don't see him coming in any other way but as a BAF or deluxe release.

[TheBlueMarvel]

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Originally Posted by Nimrod

Well heck, For being the Lord of the underworld, he isn't that tough if street fighter level heroes such as Spidey, DD, Punisher, Wolvy & Black Panther have beaten him. I personally don't care for the character but for those of you that do, I don't see him coming in any other way but as a BAF or deluxe release.

LOL Yeah, I got the fact that you don't care for the characters.

A couple of quick things: Spider Man might occasionally fight some petty street level foes, severely and perpetually pulling his punches in the process, but his powers elevate him far above "street level" to the point of making his characterization as such a popular misnomer - a misnomer that the Superior Spider Man story demonstrated to be a fallacy. He has super-human speed, agility, durability and strength (just as strong as 3/4 of your coveted Wrecking Crew - I guess they are also "street level" villains) all of which allow him to achieve feats like confounding an entire X-men team singlehandedly in the pages of the original Secret Wars, or defeating Thunderball - while he was in possession of the Wrecker's crowbar - in one-on-one combat in his own book.

Daredevil was able to defeat Blackheart shortly after his "birth" with the aid of Spider Man who provided the super-powered muscle. However, IIRC, their victory, as with most demonic encounters, was more so attributed to the pureness of their souls than force of hand and Blackheart's "newness" to the plane.

Ghost Rider, Wolverine, and Punisher fought Blackheart together in The Hearts of Darkness one shot.

You may not be very familiar with the Black Panther as he has been written in the 616. His powers may put him more in line with a Wolverine-type (marginally super-powered), however, his mind and the technological resources of the most advanced society of humans on the planet elevate him far, far beyond. He defeated Mephisto via preparation and mobilizing the technology and brilliance of his Wakandan scientists to cut off Mephisto from the source of his power.

There are a lot of Marvel stories out there man. Check them out, you might like a few.

[En Sabah Nerd]

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Originally Posted by Nimrod

Well heck, For being the Lord of the underworld, he isn't that tough if street fighter level heroes such as Spidey, DD, Punisher, Wolvy & Black Panther have beaten him. I personally don't care for the character but for those of you that do, I don't see him coming in any other way but as a BAF or deluxe release.

The list wasn't all people who've beaten Mephisto, it was just examples of those he's interacted with. Dr Doom and Dr Strange working together were totally incapable of harming him in a straight fight, he meanwhile was just toying with them (granted he had a significant home turf advantage). Now Mephisto doesn't always "win" but that's because he doesn't typically engage heroes directly to beat them as that would be too easy and defeat his own purposes. His objective is to claim their souls or at the very least make them suffer in some way since it's a game to him but as in most games there are rules he abides by and these rules often allow the heroes to get away intact.

[Nimrod]

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Originally Posted by TheBlueMarvel

LOL Yeah, I got the fact that you don't care for the characters.

A couple of quick things: Spider Man might occasionally fight some petty street level foes, severely and perpetually pulling his punches in the process, but his powers elevate him far above "street level" to the point of making his characterization as such a popular misnomer - a misnomer that the Superior Spider Man story demonstrated to be a fallacy. He has super-human speed, agility, durability and strength (just as strong as 3/4 of your coveted Wrecking Crew - I guess they are also "street level" villains) all of which allow him to achieve feats like confounding an entire X-men team singlehandedly in the pages of the original Secret Wars, or defeating Thunderball - while he was in possession of the Wrecker's crowbar - in one-on-one combat in his own book.

Daredevil was able to defeat Blackheart shortly after his "birth" with the aid of Spider Man who provided the super-powered muscle. However, IIRC, their victory, as with most demonic encounters, was more so attributed to the pureness of their souls than force of hand and Blackheart's "newness" to the plane.

Ghost Rider, Wolverine, and Punisher fought Blackheart together in The Hearts of Darkness one shot.

You may not be very familiar with the Black Panther as he has been written in the 616. His powers may put him more in line with a Wolverine-type (marginally super-powered), however, his mind and the technological resources of the most advanced society of humans on the planet elevate him far, far beyond. He defeated Mephisto via preparation and mobilizing the technology and brilliance of his Wakandan scientists to cut off Mephisto from the source of his power.

There are a lot of Marvel stories out there man. Check them out, you might like a few.

I actually have a few of the comics you mentioned. I'll take back the street level comment bout Spidey. He is above DD & Frank. His 10 ton strength is the same as the Crew members but they are more impervious to punishment as they have taken on Thor & survived his punches as well as a with Hercules. Mephisto as a figure would be of no use to me as I'm more into physical type characters that I can actually pose in cool fight scenes in normal regular settings. With Cosmic or Godly type characters, not so much. Mephisto is not a brawler, he's a devious planner/schemer. Already got Doom/Loki to cover that. I do hope you guys get him & Blackheart, just not for me.

[TheBlueMarvel]

^^^I agree that while Thunderball, Bulldozer, and Piledriver are all the same strength as Spidey, they do seem to be a bit more sturdily constituted. Honestly, I think they should be in the 20-25 ton range similar to Valkyrie.

I hope you get your redrafted Wrecking Crew too. It would be a win for me also since I've complained from the start that the Crew was too large and that they were made so to match that oversized RotML/SDCC/Odin wave Thor buck. I'm glad the 80th version of Thor fixed (for the most part, it still tracks a tiny bit too big) the problem, but now the Crew is all messed up. Too bad too, because that Wrecker sculpt is fantastic. Hopefully we get as good of an effort when they revisit. We also need classic Beta Ray on that Warpath body...

[Nimrod]

Been waiting many a yr to finally do some classic Perez Ultron vs Avengers action pics.

[Nimrod]

Hercules: "Have at thee foul robot"! KATANG!
Ultron: "That....tickled".

[hasbroherofan]

Tomorrow.