[StuartGreen2019]

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Originally Posted by jwyss234

Covid's affect on the world isn't the issue people had a problem with. It was the inclusion of all the non-toy related content. That's why one of my previous posts today was simply "Zzzzzzzzzzzzz". Like most people I came for the toy reveals, not the other stuff. If they had removed at lot of that stuff and condensed Pulse-Con to one day, I think it would have been better.

They should've brought those folks on for a few minutes to make a reveal and then at a later date, release the full interview.

True. I just meant that some things probably couldn't get shown because of Covid still impacting everything. I thought that's why they said one of their reveals was digital because they couldn't get the prototype in hand, or maybe I'm remembering that wrong. There's too much to keep track of these days. Also, as I said before, Dan Yun did tell us to lower our expectations and that about 6 reveals would be shown. If anything, we got more reveals than I expected.

I do agree that the full interviews should've been done separately. I hope this is the first and last time we get multiple interviews in a Marvel Legends video segment. This 2 hour video could've easily been 45 minutes if they just did the reveals, but I have a feeling that even if they had, fans still would've been disappointed, so it would've been a lose-lose in either format.

For the next live-stream video, I do hope we get some more reveals, especially since we have the 20th anniversary figures for Hulk and Toad confirmed, more "X-Men: The Animated Series" figures and the inevitable 60th anniversary and 'Spider-Man: No Way Home' based figures for Spider-Man.

[Mimicboy]

So overall, a pretty lackluster day for me too. The product all looks nice, but very little I am interested in. Retro Scarlet Witch is exactly what most people figured and exactly what I did not want. Vulcan and Maggot (teased) hopefully confirms the rumors for the next X-men wave but not the most exciting reveals. The X-men animated figures are exactly what I personally did not want (redos of the main team characters).

The best news of the day for me was definitely the confirmation of Toad. Yaaaas, Toad!

[StuartGreen2019]

Does anyone have the links on Amazon to the 20th anniversary Captain America and the Retro Scarlet Witch? The links on the main page direct me to the Amazon home page itself, not the actual figures.

[Mimicboy]

https://www.amazon.com/MVL-Legends-R...5024833&sr=8-4



See if this works.

I may not personally want her but I hope she sells super well so that Hasbro wants to make more Scarlet Witch figures!

[StuartGreen2019]

@Mimicboy - It does, thanks! Now I just need to find the link for the 20th anniversary Cap on Amazon.

[TheBlueMarvel]

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Originally Posted by Captain Nash

Marvel fan vote winner is #Villain and revealed to be D'Spayre.....interesting choice. Almost never seen on any wishlists. Way to go Hasbro.

#Attuma#CountNefaria#Graviton#Wizard#Spot#MrNegati ve#Titania#NEVER??

Everytime I've mentioned wants for Dr. Strange villains, D'Spayre has been on my list. I'm glad Hasbro listened. Now for Nightmare and Baron Mordo.

Rounding out the villains I'm quite happy to see are a Bronze age Zemo, Vulcan and Knull.

The Iron Man people are somewhat confused about is Silver Age Iron Man. The 80th is actually Bronze Age Iron Man, technically known as Iron Man II, the Iron Man armor Rhodey rocked...and I'm not even an Iron Man fan...lol

[Captain Nash]

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Originally Posted by TheBlueMarvel

Everytime I've mentioned wants for Dr. Strange villains, D'Spayre has been on my list. I'm glad Hasbro listened. Now for Nightmare and Baron Mordo.

Rounding out the villains I'm quite happy to see are a Bronze age Zemo, Vulcan and Knull.

The Iron Man people are somewhat confused about is Silver Age Iron Man. The 80th is actually Bronze Age Iron Man, technically known as Iron Man II, the Iron Man armor Rhodey rocked...and I'm not even an Iron Man fan...lol

I definitely am glad you're going to get him, since you've been asking for him. It's just a name that I haven't seen pop up a lot, and with all of the villains that haven't been figure-ized before, there are quite a few higher profile and higher requested characters that it would have made a bigger impact for.

Then again, if Zemo is the start of a Walgreens villain line, we may see (or not see as the case may be) some of those....hoping/not hoping it's some of the ones that have been requested quite a bit.

Also still holding out hope for more retro F4 figures later next year, single carded - Crystal, Wizard and Attuma mainly.

By count though I think we had 13 6 inch figure reveals, which isn't a small amount actually. It's just not a lot of characters that haven't been immortalized in plastic.

[EvilMonkeyPope]

I like the retro Scarlet Witch except I wanted metallic paint.

[Ultra Seven]

Well, underwhelming showing for me personally, but D’Spayre & Zemo are great reveals. Love the deep cut choice of character for D’Spayre, will totally be displaying him with Man-Thing & Cyclops (X-Men 144# was always a favorite of mine). Nothing else that strikes me, but I’ve been cutting back anyway.

Repacking the Sam Wilson Cap in a two-pack seems like an odd choice. What’s new/ different? I can’t discern much.

Edit: D’Spayre was a fan vote winner? Odd, as happy as I am to have him, he wouldn’t even crack my top fifty. I can’t imagine him being high on a lot of people’s lists. Not complaining, but definitely interesting.

[TheBlueMarvel]

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Originally Posted by Captain Nash

I definitely am glad you're going to get him, since you've been asking for him. It's just a name that I haven't seen pop up a lot, and with all of the villains that haven't been figure-ized before, there are quite a few higher profile and higher requested characters that it would have made a bigger impact for.

Then again, if Zemo is the start of a Walgreens villain line, we may see (or not see as the case may be) some of those....hoping/not hoping it's some of the ones that have been requested quite a bit.

Also still holding out hope for more retro F4 figures later next year, single carded - Crystal, Wizard and Attuma mainly.

By count though I think we had 13 6 inch figure reveals, which isn't a small amount actually. It's just not a lot of characters that haven't been immortalized in plastic.

Yeah, they are obviously going to do whatever they want. "Higher profile" (which is subjectively dependent on era of fandom, not to mention character/team subset preference) and/or request frequency is nearly meaningless at this point. If this wasn't the case, and their choices weren't largely stochastic, we'd have gotten the likes of a Nefaria/Graviton/Wizard before Spymaster/Scientist Supreme/Psycho Man.

The age old adage that correlation doesn't always imply causation seems to apply here. There has been some consistency with characters recieving overwhelmingly routine calls for release getting made, resulting in some 'squeaky wheel' logic. However, there's an equal, if not greater, preponderance of 'WTF-batshit' Frogman and Xemnu (no offense, fans, with D'Spayre, I join thy ranks), especially as of late.

If anything, I think a host of randomized factors play a role in what gets made. Anniversary buzz in ancillary collecting communities (75th and 80th comic benchmarks along with complimentary 'toons), upcoming movies and trending themes in the books seem equally weighed alongside fan polling and popularity. "Dr. Strange has a movie coming up, let's get out the classic version people have been asking for and a rando villain..."

At this point, same as with Blue Marvel, I'm just happy to see what I want whenever they get around to it.

[En Sabah Nerd]

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Originally Posted by Ultra Seven

Edit: D’Spayre was a fan vote winner? Odd, as happy as I am to have him, he wouldn’t even crack my top fifty. I can’t imagine him being high on a lot of people’s lists. Not complaining, but definitely interesting.

The vote in question was held during the stream in regards to what kind of figure reveal viewers wanted to close the event with, the "undone villain" choice won and it was D'spayre.

I'm mostly underwhelmed by the reveals. I'd get excited for Zemo but stores around me still haven't even gotten Nova yet so I'm not looking forward to getting to repeat this frustrating process some more next year. I exactly predicted what the retro Wanda would be but I already have the three-pack version and I was hoping the new Vision would be a phasing version of his classic colors not a solid white repaint of the old Target three-pack figure (complete with the same toe-feet). MCU Winter Soldier redo is definitely appealing though, I haven't cared for any of his other recent figures.

I am interested to see how they handle 20 years of Legends Hulk. Will he be the 80th figure again or will they repurpose the MCU smart Hulk into a comic figure? Either way I am concerned that with Cap and Iron Man being charged as $32 releases that Hulk will be around $40.

[Black Arbor]

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Originally Posted by En Sabah Nerd

The vote in question was held during the stream in regards to what kind of figure reveal viewers wanted to close the event with, the "undone villain" choice won and it was D'spayre.

I'm mostly underwhelmed by the reveals. I'd get excited for Zemo but stores around me still haven't even gotten Nova yet so I'm not looking forward to getting to repeat this frustrating process some more next year. I exactly predicted what the retro Wanda would be but I already have the three-pack version and I was hoping the new Vision would be a phasing version of his classic colors not a solid white repaint of the old Target three-pack figure (complete with the same toe-feet). MCU Winter Soldier redo is definitely appealing though, I haven't cared for any of his other recent figures.

I am interested to see how they handle 20 years of Legends Hulk. Will he be the 80th figure again or will they repurpose the MCU smart Hulk into a comic figure? Either way I am concerned that with Cap and Iron Man being charged as $32 releases that Hulk will be around $40.

I was gonna say I would LOVE a comic style retooling of Smart Hulk, but then I remembered I have my Select Immortal Hulk and I'm satiated


(Who am I kidding, I'd still buy it haha)

[Captain Nash]

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Originally Posted by TheBlueMarvel

Yeah, they are obviously going to do whatever they want. "Higher profile" (which is subjectively dependent on era of fandom, not to mention character/team subset preference) and/or request frequency is nearly meaningless at this point. If this wasn't the case, and their choices weren't largely stochastic, we'd have gotten the likes of a Nefaria/Graviton/Wizard before Spymaster/Scientist Supreme/Psycho Man.

The age old adage that correlation doesn't always imply causation seems to apply here. There has been some consistency with characters recieving overwhelmingly routine calls for release getting made, resulting in some 'squeaky wheel' logic. However, there's an equal, if not greater, preponderance of 'WTF-batshit' Frogman and Xemnu (no offense, fans, with D'Spayre, I join thy ranks), especially as of late.

If anything, I think a host of randomized factors play a role in what gets made. Anniversary buzz in ancillary collecting communities (75th and 80th comic benchmarks along with complimentary 'toons), upcoming movies and trending themes in the books seem equally weighed alongside fan polling and popularity. "Dr. Strange has a movie coming up, let's get out the classic version people have been asking for and a rando villain..."

At this point, same as with Blue Marvel, I'm just happy to see what I want whenever they get around to it.

You make some good points. And I definitely have had my share of oddball/non "obvious choices" of characters made into legends as well, so I'm do understand that. And I've had plenty of the larger wants made over the last few years as well, so again, no complaints there.

We can't always get what we want, all the time. If anything, and it looks like 2022 is going to offer less of what I'm after, I should be grateful, since I'm scaling back on purchases. Having 50-60 characters I'd be interested in would not help that. 2 out of 13 would be in line for what I'm hoping to cut back to over all.

[En Sabah Nerd]

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Originally Posted by Black Arbor

I was gonna say I would LOVE a comic style retooling of Smart Hulk, but then I remembered I have my Select Immortal Hulk and I'm satiated


(Who am I kidding, I'd still buy it haha)

I also love the Select "Immortal" Hulk but for me he's just too big for Legends compatibility. Then again if I didn't also love the 80th anniversary Hulk I might be singing a different tune. Regardless, I just remember being reasonably impressed by the Smart Hulk's more dynamic range of motion compared to his chunky brothers and have been hoping for a more generic reuse of the body in a deluxe release so I could finally get my hands on one. Comic-style would be my first choice but even a 2012 Avengers direction could work.

[EvilMonkeyPope]

Why doesn't the Jubilee head with the glasses pushed up have her trademark earrings like the other head?

[jwyss234]

Maybe I'm stretching a little bit with this idea but hear me out. Looking at the back of the 20th Anniversary Captain America, it reads:

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For 20 years the Marvel Legends Series has brought the iconic characters and storylines of the Marvel Universe to fans worldwide. To celebrate the 2002 Toy Biz debut release, Marvel Legends proudly presents the 20th Anniversary Series 1, featuring Captain America, Iron Man, Hulk, and Toad!

Calling it 20th Anniversary Series 1 seems oddly specific. Almost as if we should expect more than one 20th Anniversary wave in 2022. After all, Series 2 and 3 also debuted in 2002. And if they're only doing one wave, why not say something along the lines of "To celebrate the debut of Marvel Legends, we're recreating the first four figures that started it all."

I know that packaging write up may simply reflect the choices the writer made. And there are characters in the original Series 2 and Series 3 that've we've received updates of lately such as the Fantastic Four members. But why not have 20th Anniversary Series 2 and Series 3? Series 1 will be out in early 2022 which leaves the rest of the year open. The Series 3 Namor hasn't been updated. coughcoughupdatebenaffleckdaredevilcoughcoughcough . Doom could come with alternate heads for an unmasked Doom and the Doombot, the variants for the original TB figure.

[StuartGreen2019]

I remember reading the Marvel Legends 20th anniversary figures were supposed to be like 12 or 13 figures and/or sets, similar to the rumored 60th anniversary Spider-Man wave next year. I don't know if Series 2 will be the exact roster from the old Toy Biz wave, since characters like the Human Torch and the Thing just got Retro releases (though a trench coat, hat and sunglasses alternate version of Thing would be a must-buy for me). I'm curious to see how Hasbro is going to handle the 20th anniversary Marvel Legends wave and the 60th anniversary Spider-Man wave next year.

For the Spider-Man wave, I could see a few newer characters such as Kindred and Mr. Negative getting sneaked in with popular classic characters like the Chameleon and/or Doctor Octopus, and lesser-known classic characters such as Molten Man and the Looter. Maybe they could even put in some characters from the old Spider-Man Classics wave like the Rhino or Man-Spider. It'd be a great way to get a new classic red costume Daredevil figure.

[Benn Roe]

Yeah, the rumour on the Fwoosh was that there would be thirteen 20th anniversary figures, which exactly correlates to two waves of 4 and a wave of 5. Interesting thought...

[Dr Kain]

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Originally Posted by StuartGreen2019

Dan Yun DID tell us on Twitter to lower our expectations

And that must be great for the people that actually follow him on Twitter, but what was the point in having a 2 hour panel if only 10 minutes of it was actually spent showing off toys?

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but everyone has to remember that Covid is still putting a wrench in everyone's plans and movies and TV series are again being pushed back.

At some point, we need to stop using Covid as an excuse for everything, especially when in other panels they had the red ranger from Dino Fury unveil his Lightning Collection figure and show it off and some rapper named Taboo show off Spirit in the GI Joe panel as they were being interviewed. They could have easily done that with the dudes in the Marvel panel. Like I love the X-Man animated series, but I didn't need them to spend 25 minutes talking about the show and then 5 minutes showing off the figures, especially when they didn't even actually show Wolverine close up enough in front of the camera.

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Am I disappointed classic Baron Zemo is a Walgreens exclusive? Yes, I am.

I'm not because Walgreens are the easiest exclusives for me to acquire. I've got 32 Walgreens in a 25 mile radius.

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The 20th anniversary Cap and Hulk figures are must-buys,

I need to see Hulk before I can say he is a must buy since it's going to be hard to outdo the one from the 2 pack.

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Originally Posted by Hulkwummy

The X-Men TAS Figures look good, I could go without the shadow textures on their costumes.

I've preordered them just in case I decide to get them, but right now the shading bits turn me off.

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Originally Posted by amb

This year was a bust in comparison across all Hasbro brands.

I can't agree. The GI Joe panel was amazing and the Power Rangers one was well done.

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Originally Posted by Mimicboy

So overall, a pretty lackluster day for me too.

In more ways than one, but not just because of the Marvel panel. An hour before the panel the convention we were planning to go to next year put up their hotel links. Unfortunately, their website crashed so no one could access the links and by the time the site was up again after 75 minutes, both hotels were fully booked. It was a complete waste of an hour I could have been doing stuff for before the Marvel panel, and then having a 2 hour panel of nothingness just made things even worse.

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Originally Posted by Benn Roe

Yeah, the rumour on the Fwoosh was that there would be thirteen 20th anniversary figures, which exactly correlates to two waves of 4 and a wave of 5. Interesting thought...

Probably two waves of 4 and then 5 exclusives.

[jwyss234]

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Originally Posted by StuartGreen2019

I remember reading the Marvel Legends 20th anniversary figures were supposed to be like 12 or 13 figures and/or sets, similar to the rumored 60th anniversary Spider-Man wave next year. I don't know if Series 2 will be the exact roster from the old Toy Biz wave, since characters like the Human Torch and the Thing just got Retro releases (though a trench coat, hat and sunglasses alternate version of Thing would be a must-buy for me). I'm curious to see how Hasbro is going to handle the 20th anniversary Marvel Legends wave and the 60th anniversary Spider-Man wave next year.

I haven't seen any rumors for 20th Anniversary waves but it's good to hear that it's rumored that there'll be more. I think the waves could break down like this.

20th Series 2
*Namor - new figure, same costume used on the Series 2 TB figure
*Dr. Doom - Super Skull wave Doom with unmasked Doom and Doombot alt. heads
*Human Torch - Opaque/painted fire effect
*The Thing - Trench Coat version (great idea Stuart, I really want this version now!)

20th Series 3
*Ghostrider - The TB figure looks bland to me so I'll say "a Ghostrider" will be included
*Thor - 80th Thor with blue discs on chest and dirty/grimy boots.
*Wolverine - same as the other Tiger Stripe Wolverines but new head and deco to match TB figure.
*Magneto - If they have a sense of humor about it, it'll be made on the same body as the Series 1 Iron Man revealed today. If not, it'll probably be the 3 pack Magneto.
*Daredevil - pretty self explanatory.

The only thing that MIGHT change is Daredevil in Series 3. Given that half his face is covered, I would think that they wouldn't have to get Ben Affleck's likeness rights to make the figure. But I don't know enough about that subject to say for sure one way or the other. if they couldn't make movie Daredevil, then my guess for a replacement is Goliath from Series 4. That particular version has never had an update.

[StuartGreen2019]

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Originally Posted by jwyss234

I haven't seen any rumors for 20th Anniversary waves but it's good to hear that it's rumored that there'll be more. I think the waves could break down like this.

20th Series 2
*Namor - new figure, same costume used on the Series 2 TB figure
*Dr. Doom - Super Skull wave Doom with unmasked Doom and Doombot alt. heads
*Human Torch - Opaque/painted fire effect
*The Thing - Trench Coat version (great idea Stuart, I really want this version now!)

20th Series 3
*Ghostrider - The TB figure looks bland to me so I'll say "a Ghostrider" will be included
*Thor - 80th Thor with blue discs on chest and dirty/grimy boots.
*Wolverine - same as the other Tiger Stripe Wolverines but new head and deco to match TB figure.
*Magneto - If they have a sense of humor about it, it'll be made on the same body as the Series 1 Iron Man revealed today. If not, it'll probably be the 3 pack Magneto.
*Daredevil - pretty self explanatory.

The only thing that MIGHT change is Daredevil in Series 3. Given that half his face is covered, I would think that they wouldn't have to get Ben Affleck's likeness rights to make the figure. But I don't know enough about that subject to say for sure one way or the other. if they couldn't make movie Daredevil, then my guess for a replacement is Goliath from Series 4. That particular version has never had an update.

If we do get new figures for Thor and Doctor Doom, I hope we get more accessories for both. Maybe Thor could get a new alternate head, lightning effect for his hammer and/or "spinning hammer" effect accessory. For Doctor Doom, I really, REALLY hope we get some "Kirby crackle" energy effect accessories for his hands/fists, though that's unlikely since Hasbro does like to re-use and re-color those same energy effect accessories. For Ghost Rider, I think he could end up being a Legendary Riders release with his motorcycle.

I don't know if they'd do Wolverine and Magneto for the Marvel Legends 20th anniversary wave, since Wolverine is getting an "X-Men: The Animated Series" figure and we may or may not get a Magneto for the animated wave. We'll see what Hasbro does.

[ariellagunas]

I got excited for one reveal: D’Spayre.
The isssue of Dr Strange (drawn by Michael Golden) where he tortures Strange after having lost Clea is a classic I’ve read many times.
My most wanted character now is Moondragon.
My favourite figure shown in the whole Has con has to be Fiona the croc. What a beauty.

[En Sabah Nerd]

Re: the idea that Hasbro would continue to directly remake the first three Toybiz waves.

I really hope not since a number of those characters are already up to date. Hell the retro FF wave isn't even properly out yet so the notion of getting another Johnny so soon feels like a squandered slot.

[TheBlueMarvel]

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Originally Posted by En Sabah Nerd

Re: the idea that Hasbro would continue to directly remake the first three Toybiz waves.

I really hope not since a number of those characters are already up to date. Hell the retro FF wave isn't even properly out yet so the notion of getting another Johnny so soon feels like a squandered slot.

I've expressed a similar point on a few occasions regarding remakes of recent Hasbro figs and agree. However, with a growing chorus of collectors on these threads (and others) requesting numerous remakes coupled with the mostly positive reception for the upcoming 20th Cap, that ship has sailed. Now that Hasbro has routinized the practice to the point that it's being requested, what you're hoping won't happen will very likely come to pass.

Why wouldn't Hasbro go to this well with increasing frequency? It's cheap, requiring in most cases only a repaint and newer collectors have created cover with the notion that Hasbro is altruistically blowing up secondary prices. The reality of situation is that if Hasbro can sell you the same figs for their rising prices with no new tooling (or skin in the game), they'll gladly do so and it has little to do with being "nice." As with so many things, this is the new normal.

[larryw3158]

[QUOTE=Ultra Seven;883295]
Repacking the Sam Wilson Cap in a two-pack seems like an odd choice. What’s new/ different? I can’t discern much.
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This is a good question. IS there ANY difference from these (and the new Winter Soldier) from the previous releases???