[Sataninjaku]

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Originally Posted by GizmoTron

Marvel toys no. But just like at my local Target, Legends specifically could easily go away.

I've been hearing a bit about Targets clearing out Legends from the aisles lately, pegs and all. I'm not generally one to buy into doom and gloom, and for that matter, I don't have a local Target, but it doesn't sound very promising for the line.

[Harbinger]

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Originally Posted by Sataninjaku

I've been hearing a bit about Targets clearing out Legends from the aisles lately, pegs and all. I'm not generally one to buy into doom and gloom, and for that matter, I don't have a local Target, but it doesn't sound very promising for the line.

It does seem to be a bit foreboding.

[Dr Kain]

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Originally Posted by GizmoTron

Marvel toys no. But just like at my local Target, Legends specifically could easily go away.

Given the shipping issues, I'd say it's more that they just don't have enough stock coming in to justify the space. Plus, my stores still have tons of Eternals figures on the pegs.

Anyway, I saw DS2 today. I liked it, but I didn't love it. There was a lot of good bogged down by horrible campy acting and poor pacing issues.

Oh, and SPOILER QUESTION MAYBE why the hell do we have a BAF for a character that had maybe a minute of screen time?

[TheBlueMarvel]

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Originally Posted by GizmoTron

I didn't miss it, but it literally is how I'm going to approach Marvel Legends now. Unless a sale or the price miraculously comes back down, it's X-Men and Spider-Man stuff only.

As for the F4, they're a hard sell, mostly because of the Fox stuff and because the last attempt at bringing them to the silver screen was so terrible. But I think they're MCU stock will be on the rise if it hasn't started already.

Again I hope you're correct. Without doubt, the Fox reboot was a black eye and hurt the franchise. However, so did ending the book and if it was just a ploy to weaken Fox's value and utility for the license, that's a deficit that they're now going to have to dig out from as I have encountered people here and in person that seem quite indifferent with Marvel's first family and the sell-through on recent offerings seems consistent with that. All that said, I'm definitely rooting for the Fantastic Four to return to its rightful position within Marvel's pantheon.

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Originally Posted by GizmoTron

Generic dioramas could work just because of cross appeal. But I don't know if there's enough interest for anything else too specific. I'd also be worried Hasbro's stuff would be a bit "cheap" compared to other companies' offerings not to mention the projects from the much more quality DIY diorama makers, though.

You didn't address this to me, but I couldn't help but respond to this as it's a concern that I also have and factors into my opinion. I've seen a lot of 'factory' dios and they are often made of cheap materials and their details aren't always stellar. Additionally, after having commissioned a few dios, I'm curious to see what their pricing will be, especially in light of the current rates for crude and the products it's used to make. If it's anywhere close to $300-$400, I'd much rather entrust an artistic talent with that money because it will buy me more in the way of artistry and I'll have input into the end product.

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Originally Posted by Dr Kain

Hasbro recently renewed their Marvel license, it's not going to be in an end-phase for a long time.

This comment flies in the face of your complaints last week about windowless boxes and price hikes, objections that were in concert with numerous others. When you complain about these things, are you being sincere, or is it merely posturing? I'm not being even remotely caustic in the asking as I'm genuinely confused as to where you are coming from or what your stance might be. Regardless of the answer, business fortunes can turn quickly when missteps are made and this line has ended once already on Hasbro's watch with them resuming after the dust settled.

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Originally Posted by Sataninjaku

I've been hearing a bit about Targets clearing out Legends from the aisles lately, pegs and all. I'm not generally one to buy into doom and gloom, and for that matter, I don't have a local Target, but it doesn't sound very promising for the line.

This also wasn't addressed to me, but you're right, this isn't a good sign. If true, getting dropped by a major retailer like Target is the canary in the mineshaft.

[Kirathis]

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Originally Posted by TheBlueMarvel

This also wasn't addressed to me, but you're right, this isn't a good sign. If true, getting dropped by a major retailer like Target is the canary in the mineshaft.

I cannot speak for elsewhere, but at the Targets I visit here in KC, Hasbro's single-figure cases, along with the massively stocked and dismally performing Eternals wave have quite obviously been hurting sales. The Marvel Legends pegs have been choked with AoA Magneto, AoA Cyclops and Eternals figures for many months.

To that end, I am interested in whether this is a sign of the future with the line or simply Target fed up with under performing products and 20+ of the same figure that they are unable to move. That being said, as you alluded to, being dropped by a major retailer may still spell disaster in the long term.

As someone who dropped the line in 2018 and has since only returned with an intent for cosmic characters and the occasional interesting figure, I am definitely in your camp regarding Haslab as well.

[TheBlueMarvel]

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Originally Posted by Kirathis

I cannot speak for elsewhere, but at the Targets I visit here in KC, Hasbro's single-figure cases, along with the massively stocked and dismally performing Eternals wave have quite obviously been hurting sales. The Marvel Legends pegs have been choked with AoA Magneto, AoA Cyclops and Eternals figures for many months.

To that end, I am interested in whether this is a sign of the future with the line or simply Target fed up with under performing products and 20+ of the same figure that they are unable to move. That being said, as you alluded to, being dropped by a major retailer may still spell disaster in the long term.

As someone who dropped the line in 2018 and has since only returned with an intent for cosmic characters and the occasional interesting figure, I am definitely in your camp regarding Haslab as well.

I'm not sure what is going on at Target and this could be just a slapping of Hasbro's wrist, but any decision to rollback the retail presence of a company's wares (for any reason) is to be considered seriously.

I noticed your absence and return; glad you are back for at least Marvel Cosmic; we've been getting some love and I hope you are happy with Nova and Quasar. I think Nash captured best what we longterm heads are feeling. Those of us that have seen the line change hands and die are reliving some familiar pangs:

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Originally Posted by Captain Nash

For sure. And it doesn't help any that it seems like there's more re-hashes than actually brand spankin' new product coming out lately.

We've talked about other reasons for waning interest in the line for the longtime collectors, but this is honestly the biggest issue. There are a few characters that of course are going need to be regularly re-tooled or straight up releases yearly, it's not the Wolverines, Spider-Man or Iron Man type characters I have this issue with.

It's the sheer amount of B and C listers getting rolled out for the third or fourth time in as many years, if not more than that, that's really killing my interest here.

THIS is it in a microcosm. We've stuck with Hasbro through a lot hoping that there would be a reward for that patronage. There have been many highlights, but those seem to be giving way to some irksome and self-destructive tendencies that, if not course corrected, could see Hasbro taking another hiatus on the Legends line. Actually, a break now wouldn't be that big of a blow with multiple other 6" lines: Star Wars, GI Joe, and Power Rangers all have dedicated fan bases.

[Sataninjaku]

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Originally Posted by Harbinger

It does seem to be a bit foreboding.

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Originally Posted by TheBlueMarvel

Again I hope you're correct. Without doubt, the Fox reboot was a black eye and hurt the franchise. However, so did ending the book and if it was just a ploy to weaken Fox's value and utility for the license, that's a deficit that they're now going to have to dig out from as I have encountered people here and in person that seem quite indifferent with Marvel's first family and the sell-through on recent offerings seems consistent with that. All that said, I'm definitely rooting for the Fantastic Four to return to its rightful position within Marvel's pantheon.



You didn't address this to me, but I couldn't help but respond to this as it's a concern that I also have and factors into my opinion. I've seen a lot of 'factory' dios and they are often made of cheap materials and their details aren't always stellar. Additionally, after having commissioned a few dios, I'm curious to see what their pricing will be, especially in light of the current rates for crude and the products it's used to make. If it's anywhere close to $300-$400, I'd much rather entrust an artistic talent with that money because it will buy me more in the way of artistry and I'll have input into the end product.



This comment flies in the face of your complaints last week about windowless boxes and price hikes, objections that were in concert with numerous others. When you complain about these things, are you being sincere, or is it merely posturing? I'm not being even remotely caustic in the asking as I'm genuinely confused as to where you are coming from or what your stance might be. Regardless of the answer, business fortunes can turn quickly when missteps are made and this line has ended once already on Hasbro's watch with them resuming after the dust settles.



This also wasn't addressed to me, but you're right, this isn't a good sign. If true, getting dropped by a major retailer like Target is the canary in the mineshaft.

No worries, that was really addressed to the thread at large, we're all mostly here for the same reason.

Completely agreed. I'm wondering if Target perhaps had even larger sticker shock than we have at the increase- after all, much of the last few waves have been hanging around for ages or ending up getting clearanced out. Id imagine dealing with that at the old prices was already tough enough as is, I'd imagine being told they'd have to do the same at a higher price point is a tough pill to swallow.

This is all conjecture, of course. I first heard of it through Toyguru (ymmv) on YouTube, and have since seen rumblings of it elsewhere. Hopefully there's something else at play here- it'd kinda suck to have essentially just gotten into a line just to have it disappear

[GizmoTron]

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Originally Posted by Dr Kain

Given the shipping issues, I'd say it's more that they just don't have enough stock coming in to justify the space. Plus, my stores still have tons of Eternals figures on the pegs.

Anyway, I saw DS2 today. I liked it, but I didn't love it. There was a lot of good bogged down by horrible campy acting and poor pacing issues.

Oh, and SPOILER QUESTION MAYBE why the hell do we have a BAF for a character that had maybe a minute of screen time?

The thing is those Eternals are still at most Targets and could have kept the pegs warm, but the planogram completely kicked them all off to go live on a clearance endcap (sometimes given a "repackaged" markdown, too). But the real kicker is that both Doctor Strange 2 and Spider Man Legends waves also got the boot. You know,
for the movies that just came out like yesterday and hit home release and is still a best seller respectively. Kind of weird.

Plus the main aisle set for all the Thor 4 toys, but not a single peg for the Thor wave. Which is odd, because even months ago when the planogram was planned out they would have known about the new figures to plan around the street date.

So Legends might just be taking a break and will be added back later on a revision, or Target just has a new plan in mind for the figures, but either way the timing is really suspect.

I also saw DS2 today, I liked it a lot. Much better handled than the first movie, as Raimi nailed the magic and the horror with that comic book mix of surprises as I suspected.

[Kirathis]

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Originally Posted by TheBlueMarvel

I noticed your absence and return; glad you are back for at least Marvel Cosmic; we've been getting some love and I hope you are happy with Nova and Quasar. I think Nash captured best what we longterm heads are feeling. Those of us that have seen the line change hands and die are reliving some familiar pangs:



THIS is it in a microcosm. We've stuck with Hasbro through a lot hoping that there would be a reward for that patronage. There have been many highlights, but those seem to be giving way to some irksome and self-destructive tendencies that, if not course corrected, could see Hasbro taking another hiatus on the Legends line. Actually, a break now wouldn't be that big of a blow with multiple other 6" lines: Star Wars, GI Joe, and Power Rangers all have dedicated fan bases.

While not my favorite iteration of either character, nor a pleasant experience as per usual with trying to obtain figures from Walgreens, I am generally pleased with both. To add to the Haslab list, I would LOVE for them to finish out the 2008 Guardians team with Phyla, Moondragon, Mantis and the absolutely crucial Cosmo the Space Dog. For anyone who has seen the Timber figure from the Joe Classified line, I am convinced they could do him justice.

All that being said, Hasbro has also been making some questionable choices lately with some other lines. Classified is on something like it's 6th Snake Eyes in 2 years with the most recent being a slightly modified and repainted version of the Snake Eyes and Timber set that was just released within the last 6-8 months. I have read/seen/heard similar rumblings regarding their other lines as well. Legends does seem to be faring worse than the rest though when it comes to questionable decisions. Here is hoping this is only a temporary bump in the road.

[Dr Kain]

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Originally Posted by GizmoTron

But the real kicker is that both Doctor Strange 2 and Spider Man Legends waves also got the boot. You know,
for the movies that just came out like yesterday and hit home release and is still a best seller respectively. Kind of weird.

Which Spider-Man Legends wave? The one on the vintage cards? Because those are still on both the endcaps and in the isle in my stores.

The same goes for the Doctor Strange stuff. Most of my stores have had Chavez, Strange, and Wong collecting dust. Some also have Sleepwalker and D'Spyre as well.

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Plus the main aisle set for all the Thor 4 toys, but not a single peg for the Thor wave. Which is odd, because even months ago when the planogram was planned out they would have known about the new figures to plan around the street date.

Are the Thor toys even supposed to be out yet?

[Sataninjaku]

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Originally Posted by Kirathis

While not my favorite iteration of either character, nor a pleasant experience as per usual with trying to obtain figures from Walgreens, I am generally pleased with both. To add to the Haslab list, I would LOVE for them to finish out the 2008 Guardians team with Phyla, Moondragon, Mantis and the absolutely crucial Cosmo the Space Dog. For anyone who has seen the Timber figure from the Joe Classified line, I am convinced they could do him justice.

All that being said, Hasbro has also been making some questionable choices lately with some other lines. Classified is on something like it's 6th Snake Eyes in 2 years with the most recent being a slightly modified and repainted version of the Snake Eyes and Timber set that was just released within the last 6-8 months. I have read/seen/heard similar rumblings regarding their other lines as well. Legends does seem to be faring worse than the rest though when it comes to questionable decisions. Here is hoping this is only a temporary bump in the road.

Let's be honest, though; I'm as burnt as the next guy on Snake Eyes, but as a guy who only didn't collect GI Joe from '94- '00, 6 versions of Snake Eyes is very, very light.

New sculpt saw 12 different versions from 02-04, and they really went nuts for 25th- there are no less than 22! versions of Snake Eyes during the first two years of that line. Y'all think you're tired of Wolverine? There are 68 1/18 versions of Snake Eyes, only 6 of which came out during the original ARAH run.

6 Classified Snake Eyes? They seem to be taking it easy.

[Dr Kain]

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Originally Posted by TheBlueMarvel

This comment flies in the face of your complaints last week about windowless boxes and price hikes, objections that were in concert with numerous others. When you complain about these things, are you being sincere, or is it merely posturing? I'm not being even remotely caustic in the asking as I'm genuinely confused as to where you are coming from or what your stance might be. Regardless of the answer, business fortunes can turn quickly when missteps are made and this line has ended once already on Hasbro's watch with them resuming after the dust settled.

Not sure what you mean exactly, but I got the complaining about the packaging out of my system so I've moved on. I'll just deal with that on a case by case basis.

[Sataninjaku]

Shit, I got all caught up in speculation and forgot what I meant to post initially. You guys should expect to see the Bonebreaker wave sometime soon, I managed to get Siryn yesterday.

Decent figure. Not great, it'd take a proper screaming face to push her into greatness, but otherwise pretty good. I suppose I'm just happy enough to be one figure away from having X-Force finished. Now if we could just get a few villains...

[MeLikeJinx]

Saw the whole Love and Thunder wave at my nearest Walmart... just picked up Jane Thor... was gonna pass on the whole wave at first, but then IMO Natalie Portman's facesculpt is actually a lot better in hand then I thought it would be... so had to grab her. But damn, it was $30.60 plus tax... like I'm pretty sure that is one of the signs of the Apocalypse... right after the Nile turning red and raining frogs... comes $30 Legends singles at retail.

[Nutimus Prime]

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Originally Posted by Sataninjaku

Shit, I got all caught up in speculation and forgot what I meant to post initially. You guys should expect to see the Bonebreaker wave sometime soon, I managed to get Siryn yesterday.

Decent figure. Not great, it'd take a proper screaming face to push her into greatness, but otherwise pretty good. I suppose I'm just happy enough to be one figure away from having X-Force finished. Now if we could just get a few villains...

Ooooh where'd you find Siryn? I had a whole Bonebreaker custom planned since Skullbuster but would revise it and put it on hold every time I thought I'd start it. Here we are and I still can't believe an official one will be out first. lol

[ThorOdinson123]

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Originally Posted by MeLikeJinx

Saw the whole Love and Thunder wave at my nearest Walmart... just picked up Jane Thor... was gonna pass on the whole wave at first, but then IMO Natalie Portman's facesculpt is actually a lot better in hand then I thought it would be... so had to grab her. But damn, it was $30.60 plus tax... like I'm pretty sure that is one of the signs of the Apocalypse... right after the Nile turning red and raining frogs... comes $30 Legends singles at retail.

WTF they are supposed to be $24.99 plus Tax in store. The next price hike hasn't taken place yet.

Also new pic from the movie from Empire Magazine

[EZTOYDUDE]

Strange I see mixed reviews for both Moon Knight finale & Doctor strange multiverse of madness I found them both very good & sure both are a little rushed, but some folks are viciously hating both of them, well to each there own....Not a real spoiler for me but still ....

What a waste of a build a figure for Doctor strange multiverse of madness

[JCarterVA]

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Originally Posted by Sataninjaku

Let's be honest, though; I'm as burnt as the next guy on Snake Eyes, but as a guy who only didn't collect GI Joe from '94- '00, 6 versions of Snake Eyes is very, very light.

New sculpt saw 12 different versions from 02-04, and they really went nuts for 25th- there are no less than 22! versions of Snake Eyes during the first two years of that line. Y'all think you're tired of Wolverine? There are 68 1/18 versions of Snake Eyes, only 6 of which came out during the original ARAH run.

6 Classified Snake Eyes? They seem to be taking it easy.

I have a lot of those SE and Storm Shadows. They take up an entire shelf and still need more room to display them all.

[Sataninjaku]

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Originally Posted by Nutimus Prime

Ooooh where'd you find Siryn? I had a whole Bonebreaker custom planned since Skullbuster but would revise it and put it on hold every time I thought I'd start it. Here we are and I still can't believe an official one will be out first. lol

Got mine through eBay, there are a ton of them popping up. I thought it may have been one someone had acquired from overseas, but the amount of them and the relatively low average price kinda leads me to believe the opposite. I've also seen Havok and Wolverine up, but nowhere near as frequently.

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Originally Posted by JCarterVA

I have a lot of those SE and Storm Shadows. They take up an entire shelf and still need more room to display them all.

No joke. Between those two, Cobra Commander, and '84 Firefly mold re-uses, one would need an entire room to display them all.

[GizmoTron]

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Originally Posted by Dr Kain

Which Spider-Man Legends wave? The one on the vintage cards? Because those are still on both the endcaps and in the isle in my stores.

The same goes for the Doctor Strange stuff. Most of my stores have had Chavez, Strange, and Wong collecting dust. Some also have Sleepwalker and D'Spyre as well.



Are the Thor toys even supposed to be out yet?

The Armadillo wave or general Spider-Man DCPI wave. They all got the boot.

Thor toys officially released on 4/26. The Legends are even in-stock on Pulse right now, so there's no logical reason to not be out on shelves at Target right now, too.

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Originally Posted by EZTOYDUDE

Strange I see mixed reviews for both Moon Knight finale & Doctor strange multiverse of madness I found them both very good & sure both are a little rushed, but some folks are viciously hating both of them, well to each there own....Not a real spoiler for me but still ....

What a waste of a build a figure for Doctor strange multiverse of madness

Moon Knight was good, but if you weren't a fan by the end of episode 5 then episode 6 wasn't going to win you over.

And I do agree with the critics on Doctor Strange that if you haven't been keeping up with D+ or have decent knowledge of various Marvel elements like the movie expects you to, than this movie will not be as enjoyable and is a weaker film for it.

[Black Arbor]

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Originally Posted by GizmoTron

The Armadillo wave or general Spider-Man DCPI wave. They all got the boot.

Thor toys officially released on 4/26. The Legends are even in-stock on Pulse right now, so there's no logical reason to not be out on shelves at Target right now, too.




Moon Knight was good, but if you weren't a fan by the end of episode 5 then episode 6 wasn't going to win you over.

And I do agree with the critics on Doctor Strange that if you haven't been keeping up with D+ or have decent knowledge of various Marvel elements like the movie expects you to, than this movie will not be as enjoyable and is a weaker film for it.

For me though that's like saying if you didn't read the first two Lord of the Rings movies then the Return if the King is pretty weaksauce. The target audience is people familiar with the previous entries!

[TheBlueMarvel]

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Originally Posted by Dr Kain

Not sure what you mean exactly, but I got the complaining about the packaging out of my system so I've moved on. I'll just deal with that on a case by case basis.

You were pretty apoplectic, then seamlessly segued to 'meh, nothing to see here Hasbro's Marvel Legends line is in no jeopardy'. But fair enough, if that's how committed you are to the things you protest, I'll simply ignore those complaints in the future.

[TheBlueMarvel]

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Originally Posted by Sataninjaku

No worries, that was really addressed to the thread at large, we're all mostly here for the same reason.

Completely agreed. I'm wondering if Target perhaps had even larger sticker shock than we have at the increase- after all, much of the last few waves have been hanging around for ages or ending up getting clearanced out. Id imagine dealing with that at the old prices was already tough enough as is, I'd imagine being told they'd have to do the same at a higher price point is a tough pill to swallow.

This is all conjecture, of course. I first heard of it through Toyguru (ymmv) on YouTube, and have since seen rumblings of it elsewhere. Hopefully there's something else at play here- it'd kinda suck to have essentially just gotten into a line just to have it disappear

Sure, all of the whys and wherefores we're discussing represent speculation, but what you bring up is a pretty interesting thought. It makes sense that Target crunches their own numbers and follows the buying trends of everything they stock in their stores. While Hasbro has comparatives they can make across their own lines, Target has data they can juxtaposition against other 6" brands, info to which Hasbro is not likely privy. Maybe Target's potential pushback is an attempt to apply pressure and encourage Hasbro to blink on these hikes, having direct expereince and knowledge that they will not move. Who knows, but, yeah, I feel you as someone who came to the game late. It would suck to have the line die, again, right as you've developed a taste.

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Originally Posted by Kirathis

While not my favorite iteration of either character, nor a pleasant experience as per usual with trying to obtain figures from Walgreens, I am generally pleased with both. To add to the Haslab list, I would LOVE for them to finish out the 2008 Guardians team with Phyla, Moondragon, Mantis and the absolutely crucial Cosmo the Space Dog. For anyone who has seen the Timber figure from the Joe Classified line, I am convinced they could do him justice.

All that being said, Hasbro has also been making some questionable choices lately with some other lines. Classified is on something like it's 6th Snake Eyes in 2 years with the most recent being a slightly modified and repainted version of the Snake Eyes and Timber set that was just released within the last 6-8 months. I have read/seen/heard similar rumblings regarding their other lines as well. Legends does seem to be faring worse than the rest though when it comes to questionable decisions. Here is hoping this is only a temporary bump in the road.

I groaned audibly as I read your telling of Hasbro employing the same tactics across lines. I knew as much with SW Black as I have my toe dipped in that pool. As for Classified, I only have Roadblock (2 of the 3 - lol proof of the rehash you mention), a Gung-Ho (1 of the two [?]), and I just got Zartan and the Baroness yesterday from Pulse's recent restock. I'll likely stop soon as I promised myself I wouldn't return to that particular former addiction...that said, if Spirit gets restocked, I'll be dipping back in.

I want the remaining Guardians so badly I can taste it and I'm right there with you. That's why, for me, Hasbro's comic canon dialups will be more important than ever. If we are setting up for another hiatus, there will be a shifting of my character priorities and preferences. I was deeply saddened when Mattel closed up shop on their DCUC waves. I thought they had finally hit upon a positive vein with their Multiverse re-vamp and I still look for prototypes from that Mammoth wave on Ebay...

[TheBlueMarvel]

DAMN. DAMN. DAMN!!

Rest in peace, George Perez.

[Kirathis]

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DAMN. DAMN. DAMN!!

Rest in peace, George Perez.

Well damn. Rest in peace George.