[Dr Kain]

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Originally Posted by En Sabah Nerd

People who don't care for or about the AoA didn't like one of the dedicated X-waves of the year (two years in a row) having nothing for them. Any heavily themed wave can be a double-edged sword in that way. I loved the AoA waves (particularly the second) but the House of X Krakoa themed wave was a total pass for me, I'm sure though that some felt the opposite. Different strokes for different folks.

I just look at waves that I'm not interested in as a thanks for sparring my bank account this time around.

What I hate are waves that have a BAF I want badly but only 1-2 of the regular figures, like this Bonebreaker wave was. I'm still not sure if I want to keep Darwin, Maggot, and Vulcan.

The Krakoa wave was weird. While I was reading Dawn of X, I really started to want the figures from that wave (sans Moira, since I already got her), but the moment I read X of Swords, I was relieved I didn't because damn did that book suck. I haven't even started Reing of X yet.

[WallySparks]

Just noticed on the main front page of toyark there's a new Age of Apocalypse statue of Bishop. maybe its a sign that we just might get a Marvel Legends AOA Bishop next year in the 3rd Age of Apoclaypse build a figure wave?

after all we finally did get Cyclops, Colossus and Kitty Pryde this year.

[JAG2045]

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We have none of the Horsemen from that storyline except for Nemesis, who is in need of an update and for the fact that that wave was so hard to find. Quicksilver, Storm, Nightcrawler, Deadman Wade, Gambit, Havok, would all be welcome, and I'd personally also like to see Mystique, Damask, Dazzler and Bishop (who is so underrepresented in wishlists for this storyline, if not for him the timeline would never have reverted back, he's very key to this story.) Exodus, Banshee and Angel would also all be neat but I'm not that chuffed if we don't get them, even with Banshee being a key character in that book.

I wish they would do an updated AOA Nemesis figure - I've never been able to find any of the old Wal-Mart exclusive figures that made up the original BAF

[Ultra Seven]

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Originally Posted by En Sabah Nerd

People who don't care for or about the AoA didn't like one of the dedicated X-waves of the year (two years in a row) having nothing for them. Any heavily themed wave can be a double-edged sword in that way. I loved the AoA waves (particularly the second) but the House of X Krakoa themed wave was a total pass for me, I'm sure though that some felt the opposite. Different strokes for different folks.

Yeah, that’s pretty much exactly it. The X-Men figures are my favorite corner of ML, and I was kinda ticked that there were (between AOA & HOX/ POX) three straight waves of X-Men that I had no interest in. Hell, the only thing in the Bonebreaker wave I’m planning on getting is Siryn.

The AOA waves also pegwarmed hard in my area, which just brought back terrible memories of a few choice waves of DC Universe Classics.

Glad for those who did want them though! It’s a great feeling to get unexpected characters/ figures that you’e always hoped for.

*note because tone is hard to inflect over these posts, there is no hint of irony there. I was genuinely ecstatic when Razorback was announced, recognizing fully that he is the definition of a “wasted slot” to many.

[redfox]

Any sightings of the Controller BAF wave, yet??

Way too excited for that female SHIELD agent body!

[Ultra Seven]

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Originally Posted by redfox

Any sightings of the Controller BAF wave, yet??

Way too excited for that female SHIELD agent body!

Isolated figures have started shipping (Speedbal & Iron Man, namely). I don’t think anything at retail, but man, I am anxious for it!

[lordbest]

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Any sightings of the Controller BAF wave, yet??

Way too excited for that female SHIELD agent body!

It's shipping in Australia:

The lack of helmeted SHIELD head is a big disappointment, to me at least.

[TheBlueMarvel]

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No problem, BM! Thank you for the Shakespearean (or, honestly, Lee-esque) soliloquy, you summed very eloquently the exact problems I’ve had with the MCU for some time. Namely: gah, I am glad someone agrees with me about the ambling, aimless nature of what they’re doing right now! Bonus points for use of the word “mishegosh.” And “things slightly adjacent to what I want” is hilarious.

On the Marvel Legends front, boy it is hard to admit that the Legends team isn’t at fault for everything, isn’t it? I’ve been petulant ever since they announced the AOA wave in 2019 (which I still hold was a mistake). It drove me nuts after watching that interview to admit that I had to be mad at bureaucracy, not the ML team, for the lack of Guardians 3000 figures. That said, we wouldn’t have this problem if the character selection was more in-line with fan demand.

I’m going to conclude by borrowing someone else’s words to summarize my opinions. Here’s a Fwoosh post that highlights my problems with the line:

“It can go both ways. I get that there are a lot of people who are happy to expand the cast of characters for their comic universe shelf, I am one of these people to a point. These 2 are deeps cuts that I've never read a comic they've been in, and I don't find them to be visually engaging enough to be excited about putting them on my shelves.

At this price point, they are even less likely to sell to casual collectors (people looking for more well-known characters) which will not reflect well in sales and hurt future chances of such obscure characters being made. This is where the price increase will really hurt a sub-set of collectors who are anxious to get these D-listers, only to see them sit largely unsold and give retailers pause about ordering waves with lesser known characters in the future. If things continue in this direction, some folks better hope to get their favorite D-lister now, as I don't see it being sustainable the way inflation is going.”

Edit: for the record, the “brand confusion” comment originated earlier, but has been reiterated ad nauseam because, as evidenced by this thread, it got people interested in specifics. I believe it started when they announced Falcon, explaining that they were unable to make him for years due to a contractual request from their licensors not to produce comics versions of secondary MCU characters.

I can yuck it up sometimes, if you're willing to search (hard) for the 'funny'. And, yes, I like yiddish terms, anything, really, that takes me away from a strict Americana-only perspective. We are a world of humans, all with equally interesting catch phrases, words and concepts.

I do a lot of complaining, but truthfully, this Hasbro team is pretty awesome in what they've given me as a collector and an old-man comic fan. Sure, there are things I still want, there are also numerous instances in which they come so close that the failure to deliver feels intentional, but my grousing is mostly from being spoiled by them.

As far as the MCU is concerned, it was always going to be hard to follow their first act. The Avengers, at some point, have stories everyone loved. I accepted pretty early on that I'm not exactly who Feige was/is aiming for because I'd never be satisfied with 40 plus years of readership under the belt. I became more disgruntled as the animated features worsened and my only options were Planet Hulk (which still had licensing stuff) and Hulk VS. At least I could feel invested in the animated side of things, but now even that's gone.

And thanks for the compliment about being 'Lee-esque', I'm definitely more pulp/pop culture influenced than I am by classical prose...Stan changed so many of us for the better.

Appreciation:

[En Sabah Nerd]

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Originally Posted by TheBlueMarvel

I became more disgruntled as the animated features worsened and my only options were Planet Hulk (which still had licensing stuff) and Hulk VS. At least I could feel invested in the animated side of things, but now even that's gone.

It's often baffled me that Marvel hasn't cooked up a response to DC's regularly churned out animated movies. The DC offerings aren't always winners but we've gotten a good chunk of gold that the fandom readily embraces and hold with the same regard as the better live-action adaptations. It seems like they tried to at one point (as we got the projects you referenced) but just said "screw it, the MCU will be up and printing legal tender in no time" and gave up.

[TheBlueMarvel]

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Originally Posted by En Sabah Nerd

It's often baffled me that Marvel hasn't cooked up a response to DC's regularly churned out animated movies. The DC offerings aren't always winners but we've gotten a good chunk of gold that the fandom readily embraces and hold with the same regard as the better live-action adaptations. It seems like they tried to at one point (as we got the projects you referenced) but just said "screw it, the MCU will be up and printing legal tender in no time" and gave up.

I believe it has to do with the MCU taking off and Marvel's odd decision making that was mentioned before. While not the best 'toons Avengers 1, 2, Iron Man, and Dr. Strange were well received. The first feature preceded the first Iron Man movie by two years and sort of set the template for the flics with an odd origin than mixed and matched representations of the heroes. (i.e. Cap seemed to be the stronger version from the Ultimates universe) The animated features were being developed at a fairly rapid clip initially, but that all slowed down once the MCU came into focus. I'm not sure if it was a budget thing, or the nascent stages of this brand confusion conundrum Marvel's dead-set against.

The killer was the presser they held after Planet Hulk, the most ambitious project, at the time. They talked licensing issues, but shared their upcoming Hulk Vs and discussed plans for Annihilation. However, something must have happened internally as projects apparently were shelved and everything slowed then stopped.

As far as the comparison to DC, originally, Marvel's animation efforts couldn't hold a candle to them. But, then Dwayne McDuffie died and DC, I believe, brought over the guy that was responsible for the Marvel cartoons and DC's offerings have been hit or miss since.

[Dr Kain]

DC lost me with their animated movies when they started doing everything based in the animated New 52 universe. Flashpoint was the last movie I truly enjoyed. THat's also when DC turned every animated flick into Batman's Babysitting Services. He had no business being in JL Dark and was the worst thing about the movie.

I did learn they've done more Showcase shorts though, so I would love to check those out at some point.

[TheBlueMarvel]

When Dwayne McDuffie died, DC's 'toons lost their luster. He was a writer that worked on a number of projects, but, germane to the subject, most notably for Justice League animated, JLU animated, JL - Crisis on Two Earths, JL - Doom, and All-Star Superman. Outside of Teen Titans, Flashpoint and Red Hood that was everything 'toon heads were raving about at the time. Don't quote me, but I think shortly before he died he'd taken a role supervising all of DC's animated efforts. Shortly after his death, there was a precipitous drop in the quality of writing for DC's works.

The first DC Showcase was fantastic.

[Kirathis]

Completely agreed TBM! The offerings were sub par without McDuffie. I have said for years that the two companies could learn something from each other in the way DC handled animation (until recently) vs Marvel's handling of live action.

[TheBlueMarvel]

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Completely agreed TBM! The offerings were sub par without McDuffie. I have said for years that the two companies could learn something from each other in the way DC handled animation (until recently) vs Marvel's handling of live action.

Agreed, he is missed and I feel exactly the same way about reciprocal lessons to be learned if Marvel and DC had looked at the way their opposite number handled live action and animated universes.

[Ultra Seven]

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I do a lot of complaining, but truthfully, this Hasbro team is pretty awesome in what they've given me as a collector and an old-man comic fan. Sure, there are things I still want, there are also numerous instances in which they come so close that the failure to deliver feels intentional, but my grousing is mostly from being spoiled by them.

Know something? Your post made me really stop to think about how cool this line is. It’s easy to get lost in “where’s Stingray?” or “why’s Tigra based on her modern look?” and easy to forget how crazy it is that I have the luxury to bitch about my super-articulated, detailed Tigra figure. We’re at a point in the line where our collective complaint is Banshee. Banshee! The depth and breadth of ML is unparalleled (we have three Dazzlers!), and I’m guilty of being unappreciative of that.

To one of your other points, I am so happy to see someone else galvanize Dwayne McDuffie as the immense talent that he was. Those cartoons were my gateway drug into comics, particularly JLU. His episode “To Another Shore” sticks out to me as some of the best writing (not TV, not comics, *writing*) I’ve ever encountered. The heart and hope that he brought to the DC Universe is to me the essence of comic book heroes.

[TheBlueMarvel]

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Originally Posted by Ultra Seven

Know something? Your post made me really stop to think about how cool this line is. It’s easy to get lost in “where’s Stingray?” or “why’s Tigra based on her modern look?” and easy to forget how crazy it is that I have the luxury to bitch about my super-articulated, detailed Tigra figure. We’re at a point in the line where our collective complaint is Banshee. Banshee! The depth and breadth of ML is unparalleled (we have three Dazzlers!), and I’m guilty of being unappreciative of that.

To one of your other points, I am so happy to see someone else galvanize Dwayne McDuffie as the immense talent that he was. Those cartoons were my gateway drug into comics, particularly JLU. His episode “To Another Shore” sticks out to me as some of the best writing (not TV, not comics, *writing*) I’ve ever encountered. The heart and hope that he brought to the DC Universe is to me the essence of comic book heroes.

Yeah, I'm still waiting for appropriately scaled fists that I don't have to paint and match for Wonder Man and Namor, but I'm getting Morg, Nova, Firelord AND the Fallen One. Lol I know I'm 1 of maybe 10 (lol adjusted my numbers from the last time I said some shit like this ) people here that want those characters. I can't really grumble too much.

Dwayne McDuffie is a legend in my book for his on point letter to Marvel alone. That said, Milestone had some similar tropes, but Hardware (damn cool character) and Icon (even with his conservative ass) more than made up for the Tech-9's (who was only really annoying for his name, the character's personality was cool). I was impressed that DC gave Dwayne the creative space to make a bunch of characters that appealed to communities of color and embraced them into DC proper, if only, via some trial crossovers to test the waters.

[Kirathis]

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Yeah, I'm still waiting for appropriately scaled fists that I don't have to paint and match for Wonder Man and Namor, but I'm getting Morg, Nova, Firelord AND the Fallen One. Lol I know I'm 1 of maybe 10 (lol adjusted my numbers from the last time I said some shit like this ) people here that want those characters. I can't really grumble too much.

LOL, probably a good call on the number adjustment.

While those you listed are far from my favorites, I am a sucker for cosmic characters. However, as I elected not to back Galactus and will not pay aftermarket prices those will remain out of reach. In my case, if Hasbro ever elects to finish the 2008 Guardians roster, I will most likely bow out of Legends altogether. The animal sculpts from Classified (granted there is likely no cross-brand movement with sculptors) give me hope that a quality Cosmo could be produced in the future.

As I recall, you are a big Surfer fan. I will be curious to read your thoughts on the included figure.

[Arachnid13]

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Originally Posted by Ultra Seven

Know something? Your post made me really stop to think about how cool this line is. It’s easy to get lost in “where’s Stingray?” or “why’s Tigra based on her modern look?” and easy to forget how crazy it is that I have the luxury to bitch about my super-articulated, detailed Tigra figure. We’re at a point in the line where our collective complaint is Banshee. Banshee! The depth and breadth of ML is unparalleled (we have three Dazzlers!), and I’m guilty of being unappreciative of that.

To one of your other points, I am so happy to see someone else galvanize Dwayne McDuffie as the immense talent that he was. Those cartoons were my gateway drug into comics, particularly JLU. His episode “To Another Shore” sticks out to me as some of the best writing (not TV, not comics, *writing*) I’ve ever encountered. The heart and hope that he brought to the DC Universe is to me the essence of comic book heroes.

Personally I loved the new tigra and she is going to look great next to the recently announced Chester Cheetah figure by Jada toys.

[Ultra Seven]

So, the Chester Cheetah comparison is actually funny, because when the figure came out, I maintained that Tigra should be less “Cheeto” orange and more “Goldfish cracker” orange. I was hoping for her to have a different head/ hair as well.

And of the heralds, they’re another goofy example of my character selection quibbles: more heralds is something I’ve been hoping for since I started collecting. And then announce a whole bunch, but leave out my boy, Air-Walker!

… I really thought we’d get him before Morg and Fallen One, but here we are! :P

[Harbinger]

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Originally Posted by Ultra Seven

So, the Chester Cheetah comparison is actually funny, because when the figure came out, I maintained that Tigra should be less “Cheeto” orange and more “Goldfish cracker” orange. I was hoping for her to have a different head/ hair as well.

And of the heralds, they’re another goofy example of my character selection quibbles: more heralds is something I’ve been hoping for since I started collecting. And then announce a whole bunch, but leave out my boy, Air-Walker!

… I really thought we’d get him before Morg and Fallen One, but here we are! :P

Just think though, if your track record holds me might get goldfish cracker figures next.

[En Sabah Nerd]

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Originally Posted by Ultra Seven

So, the Chester Cheetah comparison is actually funny, because when the figure came out, I maintained that Tigra should be less “Cheeto” orange and more “Goldfish cracker” orange. I was hoping for her to have a different head/ hair as well.

Yeah the shade of orange they went with for Tigra was off-putting to me too, even when my local Best Buy marked them down to $12 I passed. I think maybe if the hair had been redder it might have helped with the orange but really just the better body color would've been preferred.

[Boogieman4hire]

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Originally Posted by Ultra Seven

So, the Chester Cheetah comparison is actually funny, because when the figure came out, I maintained that Tigra should be less “Cheeto” orange and more “Goldfish cracker” orange. I was hoping for her to have a different head/ hair as well.

And of the heralds, they’re another goofy example of my character selection quibbles: more heralds is something I’ve been hoping for since I started collecting. And then announce a whole bunch, but leave out my boy, Air-Walker!

… I really thought we’d get him before Morg and Fallen One, but here we are! :P

I was going to say. Yes to all the rest but I would've preferred Air-Walker before any of them. Though considering even now I have none of them and the shift of having almost all of them is a huge plus. Also yes Tigra should've been Cheez-it orange. Pumpkin spice latte even. And I wish the neutral head didn't look like Bo Derek. It's just not who I think of as Tigra. Ideally I think of either Kate Beckinsale or Eva Green. But honestly I still really enjoy that figure. Which means I will double dip if they make another in a more camote shade.

[Boogieman4hire]

Also if we're getting Heralds of Galactus I'd love an Aunt May. She's one of my favorite heralds. Big shout out and thank you to Black Arbor by the way. It's because of him I'm getting my Galactus.

[hasbroherofan]

Riot and Agony will be coming in a box set with Venom on the Omega Red body.
https://gizmodo.com/marvel-legends-h...zon-1849359442

[Black Arbor]

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Also if we're getting Heralds of Galactus I'd love an Aunt May. She's one of my favorite heralds. Big shout out and thank you to Black Arbor by the way. It's because of him I'm getting my Galactus.

Happy to help bud, hope you enjoy him!