[Harbinger]

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Originally Posted by Dr Kain

Don't knwo anything about the original, but her helmet is not removable. Thank the gods for that.

The original target spiral had a removable helmet. Why wouldnt you want the helmet removable?

[TheBlueMarvel]

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Originally Posted by Harbinger

The original target spiral had a removable helmet. Why wouldnt you want the helmet removable?

I agree with him. I have the original and its color variant and I loved them at the time. But the removable helmet gimmick created the unintended effect of making her a ‘pinhead’. Sans the helmet, she was a little fugly and unnatural looking.

The removable helmet thing works well with SW Black, but the choices they would have to make regarding Spiral’s long hair would not please me – I’m almost certain of it. I was glad when Hasbro initially opted to give Magneto two head sculpts, but, considering the number of accessories Spiral comes with, it makes sense that they didn’t add another head for a character that is seldom seen without her helmet.

[Dr Kain]

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Originally Posted by Harbinger

The original target spiral had a removable helmet. Why wouldnt you want the helmet removable?

Because helmets tend to be a pain in the ass to get to stay on. The GI Joe line is full of them that just sit there at times so one tip over and the helmet flies off.

Sometimes there are also helmets that look oversized because of their ability to be removable.

Plus, I've never really seen Spiral without her helmet, so it would look weird to me for her not to have it. However, that really has nothing to do with it.

[firmpulse]

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Originally Posted by Dr Kain

...The GI Joe line is full of them that just sit there at times so one tip over and the helmet flies off.

Classified helmets don't "fly off". WHT are you even talking about?

[Spyne98]

The original Spiral's helmet wasn't super tight if I recall. I have her on my shelf still because I need to rotate her out in favor of the new one. I might hold onto the old one and make a Uncanny X-Force Spiral from her. Spiral didn't wear the helmet in that run, so the helmet-less head works there. Overall, that wave is good. Spiral is fantastic and really the best of the bunch. Although, I will admit that I really like that Wolverine too. I'm getting some replacement claws for him from Can Of Beams. I've used the replacement claws in the past and they look amazing on the figures!

[ThorOdinson123]

[Dr Kain]

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Originally Posted by firmpulse

Classified helmets don't "fly off". WHT are you even talking about?

Tell that to my Gung-Ho and Cobra Troopers.

[TheBlueMarvel]

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Originally Posted by Spyne98

The original Spiral's helmet wasn't super tight if I recall. I have her on my shelf still because I need to rotate her out in favor of the new one. I might hold onto the old one and make a Uncanny X-Force Spiral from her. Spiral didn't wear the helmet in that run, so the helmet-less head works there. Overall, that wave is good. Spiral is fantastic and really the best of the bunch. Although, I will admit that I really like that Wolverine too. I'm getting some replacement claws for him from Can Of Beams. I've used the replacement claws in the past and they look amazing on the figures!

I'd like another Spiral in the Uncanny X-Force costume.

[usernamedustin]

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Originally Posted by Dr Kain

Tell that to my Gung-Ho and Cobra Troopers.

Ok, I will.



Hey, Gung-Ho, you have a cover and not a helmet, but either way it does not fly off.


And you, you bunch of Cobra Troopers, your helmets stay in place just fine and never manage to go from being on your head to an airborne state.

[ThorOdinson123]

Target exclusive Disney + Tracksuit Mafia from Hawkeye was revealed today

[Spyne98]

Does anyone have a link to these Target pre-orders? I'd really like that Yondu.

[K Dubious]

I want to know everyone's opinion on pins!

I personally love the pin-less look I feel like it adds to the perceived quality of the figure and makes the price increase seem somewhat tangible to the upgraded design.

What I am not a fan of is the inconsistent use of pin-less joints. I think the new longshot looks great (except the weird shoulders) then I open Avalanche and he feels like a cheap after thought... The pins are all there and visible and it really grinds my gears that almost every wave now is about 50/50 pin-less/pinned.

These are brand new designs and Hasbro thought "Don't worry about the arms we did pin-less legs so they should be happy!"

"But Boss what about Yondu?"

"Screw the comic book guys we haven't tooled anything new for them in ages"

Blankly stares at Vulcan and returns to putting those gloriuos pins back in place...

[ThorOdinson123]

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Originally Posted by Spyne98

Does anyone have a link to these Target pre-orders? I'd really like that Yondu.

here is Yondu https://www.target.com/p/A-87449809?...t_adv_xasd0002

[TheBlueMarvel]

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Originally Posted by K Dubious

I want to know everyone's opinion on pins!

I personally love the pin-less look I feel like it adds to the perceived quality of the figure and makes the price increase seem somewhat tangible to the upgraded design.

What I am not a fan of is the inconsistent use of pin-less joints. I think the new longshot looks great (except the weird shoulders) then I open Avalanche and he feels like a cheap after thought... The pins are all there and visible and it really grinds my gears that almost every wave now is about 50/50 pin-less/pinned.

These are brand new designs and Hasbro thought "Don't worry about the arms we did pin-less legs so they should be happy!"

"But Boss what about Yondu?"

"Screw the comic book guys we haven't tooled anything new for them in ages"

Blankly stares at Vulcan and returns to putting those gloriuos pins back in place...

Pin-less is nice enough, but I’m not too bothered one way, or the other. The pins were never a problem for me because I’ve seen them on figures my entire life and rarely notice them. I’ve never collected NECA figures, so I haven’t grown accustomed to life on the other side of this argument. However, regarding NECA, it is interesting that for their more comic/cartoony/musclebound figures, like Gargoyles and Flash Gordon, they use pins.

I sympathize with custom makers and the complaint that without pins, their adjunct hobby is hampered and fixing figures is made more difficult. All that said, I agree that having half the figs in a wave as pin-less, and, even more annoyingly, half of an individual figure being pin-less, while the rest of a wave/fig is pinned is pretty silly. Get your shit together Hasbro. You’re either in, or out/ pinned, or pin-less – make your minds up, Marvel Legends team.

[ThorOdinson123]

Target Exclusive Ant-Man

[K Dubious]

Blue! I didn't want to type my full blown thoughts, but you hit most of the topics I left out!

When pin-less joints were introduced it was really a non-issue thing for me, I prefer articulation over sculpt and have never been bothered by the pins even the random red or blue pins on the Spiderman figures never seemed to stand out to me. That being said now that we have been shown the "improvement", it is an expectation Hasbro can and should do moving forward. Mattel was guilty of this too, but have recently abandoned the pinned arms on their WWE lines. Plus lines like Masterverse have been pin-less from the beginning. Hasbro on the other hand have multiple lines with random mixes of pins and pin-less. I think I am more bothered by the inconsistency than anything else.

[TheBlueMarvel]

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Originally Posted by K Dubious

Blue! I didn't want to type my full blown thoughts, but you hit most of the topics I left out!

When pin-less joints were introduced it was really a non-issue thing for me, I prefer articulation over sculpt and have never been bothered by the pins even the random red or blue pins on the Spiderman figures never seemed to stand out to me. That being said now that we have been shown the "improvement", it is an expectation Hasbro can and should do moving forward. Mattel was guilty of this too, but have recently abandoned the pinned arms on their WWE lines. Plus lines like Masterverse have been pin-less from the beginning. Hasbro on the other hand have multiple lines with random mixes of pins and pin-less. I think I am more bothered by the inconsistency than anything else.

Agreed, the inconsistency is the most galling aspect of it all. It’s insulting in light of the price hikes and something that needs to be buttoned down. The long-anticipated Doc Spectrum looks a little goofy, as does the Hyperion as result of something so easily remedied. Uniformity, while not all encompassing, would be nice within a wave, but is even more important within a single figure.

[GizmoTron]

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Originally Posted by K Dubious

I want to know everyone's opinion on pins!

I personally love the pin-less look I feel like it adds to the perceived quality of the figure and makes the price increase seem somewhat tangible to the upgraded design.

What I am not a fan of is the inconsistent use of pin-less joints. I think the new longshot looks great (except the weird shoulders) then I open Avalanche and he feels like a cheap after thought... The pins are all there and visible and it really grinds my gears that almost every wave now is about 50/50 pin-less/pinned.

These are brand new designs and Hasbro thought "Don't worry about the arms we did pin-less legs so they should be happy!"

"But Boss what about Yondu?"

"Screw the comic book guys we haven't tooled anything new for them in ages"

Blankly stares at Vulcan and returns to putting those gloriuos pins back in place...

While I like the pinless look better in most cases, 99% of the Legends I already own have pins, and I'm never going to and would never go back to replace all of them with pinless versions. It's never going to be that important to me. Like I think the new Avalanche kind of sucks, too, but it's not because of the pins, it's because he has only one terrible boring head sculpt and no effect pieces while for the same price in the same wave there's also Spiral. Adding accessories and optional parts to a figure to me does way more aesthetically and adds way way more value for your buck than pinless joints ever could.

But, I do agree if they're going to push the price tag to $30 and up then they have to stick to pinless and do it across the board. If Hasbro is going to charge you for it, then they need to deliver it.

[Harbinger]

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Originally Posted by K Dubious

I want to know everyone's opinion on pins!

I personally love the pin-less look I feel like it adds to the perceived quality of the figure and makes the price increase seem somewhat tangible to the upgraded design.

What I am not a fan of is the inconsistent use of pin-less joints. I think the new longshot looks great (except the weird shoulders) then I open Avalanche and he feels like a cheap after thought... The pins are all there and visible and it really grinds my gears that almost every wave now is about 50/50 pin-less/pinned.

These are brand new designs and Hasbro thought "Don't worry about the arms we did pin-less legs so they should be happy!"

"But Boss what about Yondu?"

"Screw the comic book guys we haven't tooled anything new for them in ages"

Blankly stares at Vulcan and returns to putting those gloriuos pins back in place...

Honestly i hate pinless joints. With the “wonderful” hasbro qc it was fairly easy to be able to fix frozen, loose or otherwise defective joints and to take figs apart to make customs. With pinless its now near impossible to fix said joint issues and makes customizing a lot harder. I just dont feel the trade off is worth it.

[DarthKamen]

Maybe it comes from me collecting imports before getting into Legends, but pinless all the way. While certain figures are by no means ruined by pins, they absolutely worsen the look IMO.

ESPECIALLY on skin tone sections. Pinless all the way please.

[Spyne98]

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Originally Posted by ThorOdinson123

Target Exclusive Ant-Man

Woah! When is that going up?!

[ThorOdinson123]

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Originally Posted by Spyne98

Woah! When is that going up?!

its been up https://www.target.com/p/-/A-8744992...t_adv_xasd0002

[Dr Kain]

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Originally Posted by ThorOdinson123

Target exclusive Disney + Tracksuit Mafia from Hawkeye was revealed today

They would make great nobody criminals for Spider-Man to take down, but not at $28 a piece. I'll wait until they're on clearance for like $5.

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Originally Posted by K Dubious

I want to know everyone's opinion on pins!

With the current price points, I think it is highway robbery for Hasbro to not give us pinless figures on everything. Case in point:

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Originally Posted by ThorOdinson123

Target Exclusive Ant-Man

Yeah, no, would have probably bought him if he was pinless, but he isn't, so no thanks.

Back to your question K, I think the pinless joints are fantastic. Like I never realized I preferred them until I started getting figures that had them. Legs don't seem to be as floppy when they are pinless, especially those on female characters. In fact, the pinless legs seem to have a little bit more meat to them. Dark Phoenix's new legs are not as thin as the old ones were.

Avalanche's arms and legs feel so cheap despite the new price tag, which frustrates me quite a bit. At this point, I'm only going to buy figures of characters I absolutely must have if they are pinned joints.

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Originally Posted by Harbinger

Honestly i hate pinless joints. With the “wonderful” hasbro qc it was fairly easy to be able to fix frozen, loose or otherwise defective joints and to take figs apart to make customs. With pinless its now near impossible to fix said joint issues and makes customizing a lot harder. I just dont feel the trade off is worth it.

Unless you know some secret technique to fixing joints, being pinned or pinless makes no bit of a difference with defective joints in my book. As for customizing, oh well, that sucks for customizers, but I don't care about their problems when I care about the overall quality of the product I paid for.

[Harbinger]

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Originally Posted by Dr Kain

Unless you know some secret technique to fixing joints, being pinned or pinless makes no bit of a difference with defective joints in my book. As for customizing, oh well, that sucks for customizers, but I don't care about their problems when I care about the overall quality of the product I paid for.

Well its nota secret technique but if theres a frozen joint that soaking i. hot water cant fix sometimes its necessary to pop the pins out and disassemble and sand or scrape the affected area. With pinless joints thats no longer an option and with hasbros qc issues its often necessary to make fixes.

[firmpulse]

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Originally Posted by Dr Kain

Tell that to my Gung-Ho and Cobra Troopers.

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Originally Posted by usernamedustin

Ok, I will.

Hey, Gung-Ho, you have a cover and not a helmet, but either way it does not fly off.

And you, you bunch of Cobra Troopers, your helmets stay in place just fine and never manage to go from being on your head to an airborne state.

Right. If folk are having troube with the helmets falling off with the slightest movement try pressing them down a little more. Because they fit well.