[donmeca2020]

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Originally Posted by squeezeplay

Both pretty well said and almost completely spot on. The only thing I'll say in contradiction is that Hugh Jackman should never have been cast as Logan. Wolverine is "an ugly little runt" and Hugh Jackman is a tall, attractive guy. He's a decent actor and all, but they should have cast Glenn Danzig or some unknown who looks more like Logan.

wasn't that the the predication years ago in Wizard magazine? lol for some reason i do remember that article.

[3233rafael]

[squeezeplay]

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Originally Posted by donmeca2020

wasn't that the the predication years ago in Wizard magazine? lol for some reason i do remember that article.

Yep, that's who they picked in their Casting Call column. I never knew it 'til this year but Danzig is tiny, he's almost exactly the height Wolverine is supposed to be (5'3"). I think if they could find an actor who's that height, not pretty and can do a decent job of acting the part they could really nail it, but that's probably why they went in the opposite direction instead. That combination does't really exist.

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Originally Posted by 3233rafael

Wow, I didn't know that WM exclusive Hulk was smaller than the others that use his arms. I might have to track him down as he looks more in scale with ML for my display.

[3233rafael]

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Originally Posted by squeezeplay

Yep, that's who they picked in their Casting Call column. I never knew it 'til this year but Danzig is tiny, he's almost exactly the height Wolverine is supposed to be (5'3"). I think if they could find an actor who's that height, not pretty and can do a decent job of acting the part they could really nail it, but that's probably why they went in the opposite direction instead. That combination does't really exist.



Wow, I didn't know that WM exclusive Hulk was smaller than the others that use his arms. I might have to track him down as he looks more in scale with ML for my display.

He's pretty awesome!

[VonPooten]

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Originally Posted by Captain Nash

Wht would be awesome as a SDCC exclusive would be a Hellfire Club set: Sebastian Shaw, Emma Frost, Selene, Tessa and Donald Pierce. Or Mastermind. I don't know, switch out Emma since we have several of her though she is iconic HC. I just know if they did this set I would pray they would include Selene in it, as that sort of offering is the only way we're going to get her.

I'm still shocked that they're doing a 'Hellfire' TV show, I didn't think the Hellfire Club was that popular. I would certainly welcome that kind of set, mind you. Selene, Mastermind and Sebastian Shaw especially. I think Tessa could just be a head swap for Selene perhaps? They could bring in LeLand or possible the Hellfire guards themselves instead?

@TBM, Exactly the point! Chris Claremont himself stated that he saw the X-Men as a constantly shifting roster, evolving as the characters' lives developed. I find this to be the healthiest attitude towards comics by far; change is inevitable, but writers should make it refreshing and not rehashed. That's tricky with 50+ years of continuity on your back. I wouldn't care for that job!

@En Sabah, Yes that's very true, Guardians was a nothing title before DnA injected it with a brilliant, modern touch.
There's so much potential with Marvel's myriad of characters, and that goes for the figures, too. Hint hint Hasbro, stop making Iron Man MLs.

[En Sabah Nerd]

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Originally Posted by TheBlueMarvel

"Bendicide," huh? Lol I actually like Bendis' stuff, for the most part...

Bendis is good at telling a story but he's really bad at approaching a previously defined character. Alias and Ultimate Spider-Man were good because they were both their own thing and new, they weren't characters with preexisting stories and defining attributes so Bendis could do what he wanted with 'em. Whenever he tackles a defined entity he tends to put in way too much of his own ideas into it without considering what the character was already like. Like in the Avengers Disassembled story he gave Scarlet Witch a 180 and turned her into a wreck of a person and walking WMD purely as a plot device which required a retcon later from Dr Doom to restore her character to the pre-Disassembled her. In his Moon Knight volume he completely disregards the character's history and attitudes so he could make up some new stuff about him trying to be other heroes, it's like he never touched a single classic issue with the character but just read a quick bio and jumped to the conclusion that Moon Knight being schizophrenic meant he was trying to be other heroes. Lastly then in his GotG volume he changed every team member to match their movie versions even though they had already moved beyond that in the DnA run, to kick us fans in the balls some more he completely ruined Nova's death by trying to explain it more but in the process he just wasted a chance to bring him back and ignored what happened at the end of the Thanos Imperative.

[Kirathis]

I definitely agree that legacy can be an excellent approach if done correctly. It seems DC touches on the concept more often (until recently) than Marvel but both have definitely touched on it. Regardless, it definitely depends on the character. That was always the great thing about Batman. It's the mantle that the criminals fear, not the guy behind it. With Marvel, even an icon like Cap has been proven to be more of an ideal than the man. Each person to take up the mantle was a bit different but it seems like they tend to fall into the same sort of ideal.

As for comments on overdone characters and exposure I agree to an extent. The Claremont era team was my first exposure to the X-Men and I watched the 90s cartoon as a teenager. I do think that exposure or first impressions can color an opinion of a character but I do not think it defines it. Case in point, I have made no secret of my dislike of Wolverine. However, I was actually fine with the character when I first read/watched him. My issues came later when fans and creators started trying to shove down my throat that he was this ultimate badass who could do anything and take everybody. I remember an article in Wizard years ago pitting him against major powerhouses like Silver Surfer and talking about how Wolverine could single-handedly beat him and other characters. It was that kind of asinine writing that led to my dislike of Wolverine. That being said, I have read some things where I do like him but it REALLY depends on how ridiculous the "Wolverine is the most awesomest ever!" attitude gets. I always thought he was interesting from a premise but just way too built up.

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Originally Posted by En Sabah Nerd

This is actually exactly what happened when DnA started the modern Guardians of the Galaxy in 2008-ish. Star-Lord, Rocket Raccoon, and Groot were nobodies until that glorious cosmic run. The only shame is that DnA's GotG didn't pick up the readership that something like Nova did and so when the GotG movie was announced even many actual comic readers were kinda scratching their heads which meant that Marvel had no problem giving us another Bendicide.

Perfect example of taking unknowns and making them great. The funny part is Marvel cosmic had not been as popular in years until DnA took over. I read a synopsis of an interview with Andy Lanning where he outlined what they had planned following Thanos Imperative. Then Marvel up and scraps them in order to give Nova to Loeb and GotG to Bendis and well we see what happened then. The plan from DnA would have been really good if they had been allowed to continue.

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Originally Posted by En Sabah Nerd

Bendis is good at telling a story but he's really bad at approaching a previously defined character. Alias and Ultimate Spider-Man were good because they were both their own thing and new, they weren't characters with preexisting stories and defining attributes so Bendis could do what he wanted with 'em. Whenever he tackles a defined entity he tends to put in way too much of his own ideas into it without considering what the character was already like. Like in the Avengers Disassembled story he gave Scarlet Witch a 180 and turned her into a wreck of a person and walking WMD purely as a plot device which required a retcon later from Dr Doom to restore her character to the pre-Disassembled her. In his Moon Knight volume he completely disregards the character's history and attitudes so he could make up some new stuff about him trying to be other heroes, it's like he never touched a single classic issue with the character but just read a quick bio and jumped to the conclusion that Moon Knight being schizophrenic meant he was trying to be other heroes. Lastly then in his GotG volume he changed every team member to match their movie versions even though they had already moved beyond that in the DnA run, to kick us fans in the balls some more he completely ruined Nova's death by trying to explain it more but in the process he just wasted a chance to bring him back and ignored what happened at the end of the Thanos Imperative.

EXACTLY! That is my big issue with Bendis. He's great when he can do his own thing but he's terrible at following along with already established characters. I think one of the most amusing examples was Star Lord going the cancerverse as a brunette and really grizzled guy with a cybernetic eye and coming back as a blonde pretty boy...say wha? Do not even get me started on his treatment of Nova. After he wrote "what happened" he tried to blame DnA saying how they were the ones who killed Nova and he just wrote what happened. It seemed like a poorly executed way to just not deal with the situation. Yes, my GotG and Nova fan flags are flying LOL!

[jwyss234]

@En Sabah, Bendis isn't the only one guilty of making those changes to comics. Since X-Men came out, Marvel has bent over backwards to make sure the comics match up with the movies.

[Black Arbor]

Looks like Red Onslaught's head is too big for the Coulson body, but looks good on the Nick Fury body if your preferred Red Skull wears a mask instead of having an actual face that looks like a skull (photos courtesy of marvelousnews.com)

[En Sabah Nerd]

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Originally Posted by Kirathis

Perfect example of taking unknowns and making them great. The funny part is Marvel cosmic had not been as popular in years until DnA took over. I read a synopsis of an interview with Andy Lanning where he outlined what they had planned following Thanos Imperative. Then Marvel up and scraps them in order to give Nova to Loeb and GotG to Bendis and well we see what happened then. The plan from DnA would have been really good if they had been allowed to continue.

EXACTLY! That is my big issue with Bendis. He's great when he can do his own thing but he's terrible at following along with already established characters. I think one of the most amusing examples was Star Lord going the cancerverse as a brunette and really grizzled guy with a cybernetic eye and coming back as a blonde pretty boy...say wha? Do not even get me started on his treatment of Nova. After he wrote "what happened" he tried to blame DnA saying how they were the ones who killed Nova and he just wrote what happened. It seemed like a poorly executed way to just not deal with the situation. Yes, my GotG and Nova fan flags are flying LOL!

For what it's worth Sam Alexander has grown on me a lot. I still prefer the more mature Richard we had from Annihilation to his death but I'll give Loeb credit (I'll also always Jeph Loeb for Batman The Long Halloween) for establishing this new Nova pretty well.

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Originally Posted by jwyss234

@En Sabah, Bendis isn't the only one guilty of making those changes to comics. Since X-Men came out, Marvel has bent over backwards to make sure the comics match up with the movies.

Bendis isn't the only one and yes I think it's pretty fair to place some blame on the company overall since they still have their bottom line but Bendis is a particular example of screwing with what made certain characters appealing.

[donmeca2020]

For anyone who's interested, i just checked out this past astonishing Ant-man # 3 and guess who was texting Scott? Beetle.... apparently she's be in issue # 4. her costume seems a tad different then the current figure somewhat. in the the Ant-man comic It's Black and purple as opposed to green and purple.

Now on topic with the Bendis discussion, not quite sure if you guys frequent any comic forumns, but Bendis is a very much hated writer due to the fact of all the crap he does with the X titles and others he's involved in. quite frankly i myself am no bendis fan neither, and im usually happy when i find out whatever it is im reading for the week doesn't have him in the credits....

[En Sabah Nerd]

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Originally Posted by donmeca2020

in the the Ant-man comic It's Black and purple as opposed to green and purple.

Some colorists do this a lot where they make a green or blue look black but with the original color as highlights. It happens most often when there's supposed to be a sheen to the suit but it can be a little confusing hopping from artist to artist.

[Dr Kain]

Fant4stic - Where do I want to start? How about the good? It's better than Hulk and X-Men 3. In fact, the first 45 minutes were actually pretty decent. If this had been a straight up science fiction movie about a brainy child who finds a way to travel to a parallel dimension and they set out to explore that, it would have been a good movie despite the fact that none of the cast had any chemistry. However, it goes downhill the moment they get their powers. There was absolutely NOTHING super heroey about this at all. In fact, it felt like they decided to drag out the first half hour of a super hero movie into a 100 minute movie and called it a day. Everything that occurred when "Doctor Doom" appeared and started destroying **** should have been earlier and then they actually built him up as a threat from there. Nope, they didn't do that, they just crammed him into the last 15 minutes of the movie and didn't even take the liberties to even make him resemble Doom. He is clearly the worst aspect of the movie, not to mention he was by far the worst actor here. If you want over acting, this is your man. Good god, what the hell happened here? The rest of the cast are clearly good actors, but this jackoff was phoning everything in as if he was the new Hayden Christiansen. Oh, but the worst part is, the last hour of the movie is just flat out BORING!! In the end, I give this thing no one wanted a 4/10. But hey, look on the bright side, it sure as hell ain't Jonah Hex bad.

[Trivial Psychic]

After seeing a couple of pictures from other forums, and thinking it looked pretty decent, I decided to finally grab one of those Target 3 packs on clearance to do a Silvermane head swap once my Spider-Man wave ships...





I already have Vision and have no interest in the Hulk, so I'll be selling off the bulk as a lot on Ebay before the end of the week. Anyone interested in them, lemme know in a PM and I'll send you a link once they are posted. Or shoot me an offer, so I can avoid the trouble with Ebay altogether!

[donmeca2020]

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Originally Posted by Trivial Psychic

After seeing a couple of pictures from other forums, and thinking it looked pretty decent, I decided to finally grab one of those Target 3 packs on clearance to do a Silvermane head swap once my Spider-Man wave ships...





I already have Vision and have no interest in the Hulk, so I'll be selling off the bulk as a lot on Ebay before the end of the week. Anyone interested in them, lemme know in a PM and I'll send you a link once they are posted. Or shoot me an offer, so I can avoid the trouble with Ebay altogether!

just PMed you about vision.

[Trivial Psychic]

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Originally Posted by donmeca2020

just PMed you about vision.

Got it! Lemme know what you think!

[Dr Kain]

So I have a question about Morbius. I love this figure, but something just seems really off about his cape. Is it just me, or is it wrong? I mean, like really wrong as in incorrect. Unless my memory has betrayed, his cape is supposed to be more like Spider-Man's webbing and tucked under his arms, right? As such, it's not supposed to raise up as high as Hasbro put it regardless of how high he raises his arms as it is attached to this elbows.

[3233rafael]

[VonPooten]

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Originally Posted by Kirathis

My issues came later when fans and creators started trying to shove down my throat that he was this ultimate badass who could do anything and take everybody. I remember an article in Wizard years ago pitting him against major powerhouses like Silver Surfer and talking about how Wolverine could single-handedly beat him and other characters. It was that kind of asinine writing that led to my dislike of Wolverine. That being said, I have read some things where I do like him but it REALLY depends on how ridiculous the "Wolverine is the most awesomest ever!" attitude gets. I always thought he was interesting from a premise but just way too built up.

I believe he is a definite exception to the "rule." He seems to be a character that everyone liked in some form, only to mutate into this all-consuming blob that infects everything. I could deal with him being "the best there is," but what really ticked me off was the opening of The Jean Grey School and Logan's sudden transformation into a saint to spite Scott. That decision seemed very forced in order to align Wolverine with the good, and Cyclops with the bad.

In regards to Bendis, he didn't really handwave Star Lord's appearance change that way, did he? What a joke. As you say, he handles his own characters wonderfully, but tends to override most aspects of those who have been previously established. I do like Uncanny X-Men, though. He brought in some very interesting new characters with powers that aren't just "has a lot of eyes," "is a shark girl."

[kenm2474]

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Originally Posted by 3233rafael

Love your Hulks Raf.

[warmachine6]

im happy i bought the AOU version is an awesome figure.... I hope depending on what movie he shows up in, that figure comes with different swap-able hands that'd be a dream come true

[3233rafael]

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Originally Posted by kenm2474

Love your Hulks Raf.

Thank you!

[Dr Kain]

Wait, they already did a standard Absorbing Man? Then why the hell did they turn him into a BAF?

[Captain Nash]

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Originally Posted by Dr Kain

Wait, they already did a standard Absorbing Man? Then why the hell did they turn him into a BAF?

He's hard to find, too expensive to pay for what he's going for. See, this is exactly my reasoning against redos especially when it comes to BAF. Expensive as it may be, there IS at least an option to purchase an Absorbing Man already. Where can I get an official Sauron or Attuma though? No where, that's where.

The more they do of this the clearer it will become...and yes I'm totally a hypocrite in the case of Kingpin because I do want a Kingpin BAF.

[Exodus]

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Originally Posted by donmeca2020

Now on topic with the Bendis discussion, not quite sure if you guys frequent any comic forumns, but Bendis is a very much hated writer due to the fact of all the crap he does with the X titles and others he's involved in. quite frankly i myself am no bendis fan neither, and im usually happy when i find out whatever it is im reading for the week doesn't have him in the credits....

I've seen Bendis once at the LCS that he frequents. Ok guy...but yeah his reading is eh. What comic forums are there? Would love to read what they have to say.