[Byrnes]

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Originally Posted by Kirathis

Meh, minor effort to get them for some quick and dirty comparisons. Also yes, the Jackal figure is definitely larger than the comic appearances. I included a comparison of Jackal to Spidey UK.


Jackal is not exactly the same contrary to my original thought. Their ab crunch cuts (particularly in the back) are noticeably different. In fact, I would say Jackal is actually closer in size to Reaper than Spidey UK in the upper body area.

He is virtually a head swap and repaint away from a Bronze Age Beast as TBM suggested. I will admit I would prefer the larger hulking Beast. I liked that look better and it provided an even greater contrast between his appearance and intellect.

I'd love an Avengers Beast on that body.

[Boy Blunder]

Going back to the Jackal-into-Beast conversation... I can see where people are coming from for a Bronze-age Beast, and I can kind of agree, but I think a larger swath of the collecting audience is more familiar with the bulkier designs for Beast (anywhere between the Byrne and Lee frames in terms of size). At the very least, he should match frames with Wonder Man, since those bosom buddies are close in size (again, Hank's size varies from artist to artist, but at the very least he's the same size as Simon, if not larger).

I'd rather have the bulkier Beast, mostly because the animated series is what got me fully hooked onto the team, and with the other 'Lee-era' costumes that Hasbro's made, are making, or are teasing at getting made, it would make for better visual cohesion.

[Harbinger]

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Originally Posted by LapuLapu

Thanks

Its crazy how pizza spidey has climbed up in prizes in the secondary market , when he was a peg warmer.

Yeah Im pretty happy with that simple Luke Cage custom. As for Danny and Tommy , if ever Danny gets the upper hand , Tommy can always call the Dragonzoid lol.

I have to agree lapu....i think tommy would stomp danny, as ,uch as i love iron fist, into so ething resembling a smooshed prune.

[TheBlueMarvel]

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Originally Posted by Boy Blunder

Going back to the Jackal-into-Beast conversation... I can see where people are coming from for a Bronze-age Beast, and I can kind of agree, but I think a larger swath of the collecting audience is more familiar with the bulkier designs for Beast (anywhere between the Byrne and Lee frames in terms of size). At the very least, he should match frames with Wonder Man, since those bosom buddies are close in size (again, Hank's size varies from artist to artist, but at the very least he's the same size as Simon, if not larger).

I'd rather have the bulkier Beast, mostly because the animated series is what got me fully hooked onto the team, and with the other 'Lee-era' costumes that Hasbro's made, are making, or are teasing at getting made, it would make for better visual cohesion.

I'd be careful when making anecdotal assumptions about which era of comics the "collecting audience" is most familiar with...Since my original comment, kick-starting this conversation, I have seen a fair amount of other threads on other websites engaging in their own debates. Quite a few people like the idea of Jackal being re-purposed as an Avengers Beast. Without concrete data, there's no way to know whether what you are asserting is fact or fiction. Notwithstanding the mean age of collectors, we live in an age where many readers are consuming omnibuses of bygone comic eras. With that in mind, "exposure" becomes moot and subject to debate.

Additionally, that Jackal IS the same size as the Wonder Man fig. This was exactly the reason why I asked Kirathis his opinion on the size discrepancy between Grim Reaper and Jackal (Simon and Reaper are the same mold). If you look at the comparative photos, you'll see they are virtually the same size...

[Harbinger]

Kinda on the sunject of reuses.....i am i alone in thinking space venom could be used for caliban, obviously with a new head and minor retooling?

[En Sabah Nerd]

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Originally Posted by Nitelife

Kinda on the sunject of reuses.....i am i alone in thinking space venom could be used for caliban, obviously with a new head and minor retooling?

Oh that could be neat and it would mean more X waves.

[TheBlueMarvel]

@Nite

I could see that, but only if we're talking about (and I hate this term) 'secondary mutation' Caliban.

I also agree with Startaiger in that Jackal could easily become part of a Vermin mold...along with other sentiments regarding Jack Russell Aka Werewolf by Night.

[Harbinger]

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Originally Posted by TheBlueMarvel

@Nite

I could see that, but only if we're talking about (and I hate this term) 'secondary mutation' Caliban.

I also agree with Startaiger in that Jackal could easily become part of a Vermin mold...along with other sentiments regarding Jack Russell Aka Werewolf by Night.

Yah i was referring to his red n white outfit version. Granted hed need claw feet but with minor neck ( remove the ribbing on the neck to smooth ) & shoulder mods and a new head he could easily be a welcome baf in an x line.

[Boy Blunder]

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Originally Posted by TheBlueMarvel

I'd be careful when making anecdotal assumptions about which era of comics the "collecting audience" is most familiar with...Since my original comment, kick-starting this conversation, I have seen a fair amount of other threads on other websites engaging in their own debates. Quite a few people like the idea of Jackal being re-purposed as an Avengers Beast. Without concrete data, there's no way to know whether what you are asserting is fact or fiction. Notwithstanding the mean age of collectors, we live in an age where many readers are consuming omnibuses of bygone comic eras. With that in mind, "exposure" becomes moot and subject to debate.

Additionally, that Jackal IS the same size as the Wonder Man fig. This was exactly the reason why I asked Kirathis his opinion on the size discrepancy between Grim Reaper and Jackal (Simon and Reaper are the same mold). If you look at the comparative photos, you'll see they are virtually the same size...

Hence why I made sure and put in the 'I think...' since I'm only speaking from personal experience and observation, and didn't want to make it sound like a fact.

As for the comparisons there, I'm not sold, but it might just be because they're not in a side-by-side themselves. The torso looks solid, but the limbs seem way too slender by comparison. Especially the legs - Hank's got some thicker gams from all the leaping he does.

But I might also be stubborn in seeing it that's always possible.

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Originally Posted by Nitelife

Kinda on the sunject of reuses.....i am i alone in thinking space venom could be used for caliban, obviously with a new head and minor retooling?

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Originally Posted by En Sabah Nerd

Oh that could be neat and it would mean more X waves.

I would go nuts for that. Caliban was one of my favorite figures in the old Toy Biz 5" line, and I'm always game for X-Force characters getting a new figure.

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Originally Posted by TheBlueMarvel

I could see that, but only if we're talking about (and I hate this term) 'secondary mutation' Caliban.

I also agree with Startaiger in that Jackal could easily become part of a Vermin mold...along with other sentiments regarding Jack Russell Aka Werewolf by Night.

I didn't think that was 'secondary mutation' Caliban, as much as it was 'Horseman' Caliban, since, unlike a lot of the 'secondary mutations' in canon, his size-change and permanent access to his 'temporary' powers were engineered by Apocalypse. Or 'Hellhound' Caliban. Or 'Death' Caliban. Or whatever they decided to call him that week.

But yes, Jackal's body is a great one to use for Vermin and Jack Russell. Maybe Puma (Thomas Fireheart) as well, at least the upper body and feet?

[Captain Nash]

I really like the idea for using Jackal as Vermin. Put me down in the group for this is a mold that is too lanky/slim for my "vision" of Beast.

[warmachine6]

its going to be easy to do , just re-scale that body mold just on a bigger mold, like the hyperion one

[donmeca2020]

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Originally Posted by Spyne98

My BBTS order of the Spider-Man wave is en route. Right now it says Saturday, but NY is expecting snow. We'll have to wait and see.

Mine last said in Wisconsin, so i figure next week it should be here. I was hoping for this week,but what can you...

[3233rafael]

..."Are you Tony Stank?"...

[Jeddostotle7]

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Originally Posted by warmachine6

its going to be easy to do , just re-scale that body mold just on a bigger mold, like the hyperion one

Not really easy. Remember, even if the design for that body is already done, re-scaling it would still mean it's a new mold, a new expensive steel mold. It would be the same as if they just made a new body from scratch, not based on any pre-existing design.

[Harbinger]

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Originally Posted by 3233rafael

..."Are you Tony Stank?"...

Tony Stank? Did stark have stewie griffin make him a bitch clone? heehee I assume those are the revoltech suits?

[Kirathis]

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Originally Posted by Byrnes

I suppose. Living in busy city things disappear very fast around here. I only want Shocker and Symbiote from that wave. Probably have a hard time finding him also.

It obviously varies by area but at the TRU where I bought mine, only Green Goblin had been picked up from the 4 cases worth on the peg. I had my choice of all of the other figures.

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Originally Posted by Boy Blunder

Going back to the Jackal-into-Beast conversation... I can see where people are coming from for a Bronze-age Beast, and I can kind of agree, but I think a larger swath of the collecting audience is more familiar with the bulkier designs for Beast (anywhere between the Byrne and Lee frames in terms of size). At the very least, he should match frames with Wonder Man, since those bosom buddies are close in size (again, Hank's size varies from artist to artist, but at the very least he's the same size as Simon, if not larger).

I'd rather have the bulkier Beast, mostly because the animated series is what got me fully hooked onto the team, and with the other 'Lee-era' costumes that Hasbro's made, are making, or are teasing at getting made, it would make for better visual cohesion.

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Originally Posted by TheBlueMarvel

Additionally, that Jackal IS the same size as the Wonder Man fig. This was exactly the reason why I asked Kirathis his opinion on the size discrepancy between Grim Reaper and Jackal (Simon and Reaper are the same mold). If you look at the comparative photos, you'll see they are virtually the same size...

Here are a few more group comparison shots. I tried to get them into neutral poses but my Wonder Man is wobbly as hell and does not stand well. Jackal is not the same mold in at least as far as the torso as the ab crunch cuts for the side and back are noticeably different. That being said, both Jackal and Spidey UK are so close as to be nearly indistinguishable from the Reaper mold. The limbs for both are also marginally smaller than Reaper or Wonder Man; particularly the shoulders. The chests for Spidey UK and Jackal are also not as deep. Jackal is marginally smaller than Wonder Man but I would say could still easily work for a Beast that should be nearly the same size.

[warmachine6]

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Originally Posted by Jeddostotle7

Not really easy. Remember, even if the design for that body is already done, re-scaling it would still mean it's a new mold, a new expensive steel mold. It would be the same as if they just made a new body from scratch, not based on any pre-existing design.

thought they 3D printed it nowadays , but either would need a new mold

[Jeddostotle7]

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Originally Posted by warmachine6

thought they 3D printed it nowadays , but either would need a new mold

Nah, 3D printing is far from being viable for mass-production. Plus, even if you could set up 3D printers to produce to anywhere near the speed of a mold machine, it would be far worse in quality and sculpt. 3D printing has a long way to go to replace molding.

[3233rafael]

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Originally Posted by Nitelife

Tony Stank? Did stark have stewie griffin make him a bitch clone? heehee I assume those are the revoltech suits?

Haha...Figma, S.H.Figuarts, Revoltech and Revoltech in that order from left to right.

[TheBlueMarvel]

@Kirathis

Thanks again, my dude. I see now that Jackal is just a hair shorter than the other three figs.

The more I see of that UK Spidey mold, the more i like it. I'm back to my original thinking that it will eventually replace the Reaper mold....

@BB

Why argue when we can just look at Kirathis' pics! Ha!

About that other stuff..."Secondary mutation" has been used with non-mutant characters also, most notably, the Thing when he became spikey. I hate using the phrase because it's more of a fan thing than a Marvel thing IMO... As it pertains to mutants though, I thought that was what Apocalypse did...boost what was already there...similar to what the Stranger did to Toad and Mystique in the X-men Forever mini. Whether it was engineered or natural doesn't seem to matter, as far as the use of the term is concerned. There's no hard and fast rule stating that the term is germane only within a particular circumstance (i.e. occurring naturally vs being engineered). If a being like the Stranger can do it, then Apocalypse's involvement becomes less of a catalyst. Hell, Apocalypse modified the Hulk at one point...but those enhancements weren't a vast departure from what we'd already seen the Hulk do sans modification...

[Dr Kain]

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Originally Posted by Spyne98

My BBTS order of the Spider-Man wave is en route. Right now it says Saturday, but NY is expecting snow. We'll have to wait and see.

Mine is still in their warehouse. I hope they ship it out tomorrow so I can have it by Wed.

[warmachine6]

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Originally Posted by Jeddostotle7

Nah, 3D printing is far from being viable for mass-production. Plus, even if you could set up 3D printers to produce to anywhere near the speed of a mold machine, it would be far worse in quality and sculpt. 3D printing has a long way to go to replace molding.

i did see somewhere you 3d print with this clay like substance, so you 3d print and okay looking model then sculpt it afterwards rather than sanding it down etc, but yeah one day it might , just got to get the right stuff.

[Jeddostotle7]

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Originally Posted by warmachine6

i did see somewhere you 3d print with this clay like substance, so you 3d print and okay looking model then sculpt it afterwards rather than sanding it down etc, but yeah one day it might , just got to get the right stuff.

The thing is, that's still a longer and more labor-intensive process than molding. With a mold, they just have a machine to inject the plastic into the mold, quickly cool it, and kick the formed piece out of the mold. They can do a lot of pieces really quickly with that (often ~one a second), then they sonic weld together pieces that take multiple parts (upper torso, lower torso, some larger heads/heads with more hair, etc), paint it, and put it together. 3D printing will need to advance to the point where it can produce a part in about a second with high quality and level of detail before it can replace injection-molding. Hopefully one day, though.

[donmeca2020]

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Originally Posted by Dr Kain

Mine is still in their warehouse. I hope they ship it out tomorrow so I can have it by Wed.

Last i checked mine will get to me by weds supposedly. I don't have too much faith in fedex...

[Boy Blunder]

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Originally Posted by TheBlueMarvel

@BB

Why argue when we can just look at Kirathis' pics! Ha!

Honestly, and I'm not trying to argue here, I'm still not seeing it. Again, the torso looks fine to me, but the limbs seem way too slender/lithe for Hank. It just doesn't work for me, at all.

Maybe I'll do a quick color edit to Beast later and see if that changes my mind.