[lordbest]

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Originally Posted by Dr Kain

She's an actress, she has to grow up and deal with it. Lon Chaney learned how to live with it. So did Boris Karloff.

You can't "grow up and deal" with allergies.

[TheBlueMarvel]

I love Namor and Panther equally and that whole story irked me greatly.

While John Byrne wrote a clever explanation for Namor's vacillation between good and evil, being the sovereign of a beset upon nation-state works just as well to explain Namor's equivocating. Panther has also been at odds with American interests, Captain America, and Iron Man. His station as ruler of Wakanda, never caused him to declare war on the States nor kill (or have killed) Tony or Steve. Conversely, Black Panther has allied himself with other questionable rulers like Dr. Doom and Namor - even while Namor was in the midst of one of his 'manic' (if you can call wanting to protect your people from mankind's pollution manic) episodes. I place the blame for this upsetting turn of events squarely on the poorly conceived Phoenix "junk" from AvsX. That story, like far too many "events," was horribly executed and an abject failure in regard to representing the "Phoenix-force" with both conviction and gravitas. The events of that weak plot have carried through and been doubled down on resulting in the death of one of Marvel's most enigmatic characters. Non-Namor fans have no clue how rich the character is in depth and complexity, nor do readers realize his long history and importance within the Marvel Universe. The personality of Namor is so layered that DC, seeing how compelling the character was, gave its own Black Adam the "Namor" treatment to great success (largely the reason we are getting a film about Teth Adam). I guess Marvel viewed Namor as low hanging fruit due to fans of Namor not being vocal enough in our want to see more done with the character. Personally, I can't wait for him to be restored and the first thing I want him to do is return the favor to Hyperion (a waste of a character as Marvel's first, and weakest, Superman clone). I'm very torn about what I want him to do to Black Panther...

...end bitter rant.

[hasbroherofan]

I actually assumed a lot of it was on the studio's part as well. They have an A-list Oscar winner in their superhero movie and want to make damn sure everyone knows it's her. You see this in superhero movies quite a bit, where they'll usually find an excuse to have the hero or villain spend as much time outside the mask as possible when they're played by a big name celeb.

[Boy Blunder]

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Originally Posted by Dr Kain

She's an actress, she has to grow up and deal with it. Lon Chaney learned how to live with it. So did Boris Karloff.

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Originally Posted by lordbest

You can't "grow up and deal" with allergies.

Yeah, WOW dude. Neither of them were having medical problems with the makeup, they were just enduring the early days of figuring out what did and didn't work when it came to "extreme" makeup (since, aside from false facial hair, makeup wasn't a huge thing in film bank then). But sure, I guess someone can "grow up and deal" with a medical issue. I mean, it's only the human body, right? Walk it off, slugger.

[Kernel]

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Originally Posted by Dr Kain

She's an actress, she has to grow up and deal with it. Lon Chaney learned how to live with it. So did Boris Karloff.

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Originally Posted by lordbest

You can't "grow up and deal" with allergies.

You can if you make $8 million as she did for apocalypse lol.


stopped by Walmart yesterday and they had the new spidey homecoming figures for $8! I would have bought a spidey but the paint was sub par on one and the other one had 2 left calfs.

Sorry for the crappy pic but my Photobucket is all goofed up

[Trivial Psychic]

If J-Law can't hack the make-up required for the role, then she should be recast. While I agree that one does not just "grow to deal with allergies," I agree that in her line of profession, it comes with the territory, and she should either suck it up or the role should go to someone who could handle it. If it is such a burden to her, then they should move on. Acting is a profession just like everything else, and if there is something that you can't do or are unwilling to for the role, then sorry...next in line please.

Many actors handle extreme make up and costuming situations, and in the superhero film business, having your character off screen or out of costume is one of the quickest ways to cheapen the experience. Peter Weller went through absolute hell in his turns as Robocop, as did Ron Perlman in Hellboy, and Heath Ledger toughed it out and used his own allergies to make-up to enhance his performance as the Joker. In all three of those cases, the actors spend more than 90% of their screen time in these elaborate get ups, which is part of the reason why these characters have been so memorable. It takes a special kind of actor to handle some of those situations. Mystique is a make-up heavy role, and if she can't handle the physical transformation part of it, perhaps they should find someone who does. It's not like her performances would be missed anyways, as I feel hers have been some of the weakest in the X-series of films, especially at 8 to 10 million a pop.

[lordbest]

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Originally Posted by Trivial Psychic

If J-Law can't hack the make-up required for the role, then she should be recast. While I agree that one does not just "grow to deal with allergies," I agree that in her line of profession, it comes with the territory, and she should either suck it up or the role should go to someone who could handle it.

This, exactly. She can't play Mystique so she shouldn't continue playing Mystique. She has a legitimate reason for why she can't do it, but that doesn't change the facts.

[Dr Kain]

Yeah, I'm sorry, but they are being paid millions of dollars to do a job. If she can't handle the make-up, then maybe acting isn't for her.

I know people who have to live with their allergies and they aren't being paid millions of dollars to do so. I have no sympathy for actors when it comes to first world problems.

[Jeddostotle7]

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Originally Posted by Dr Kain

Yeah, I'm sorry, but they are being paid millions of dollars to do a job. If she can't handle the make-up, then maybe acting isn't for her.

I know people who have to live with their allergies and they aren't being paid millions of dollars to do so. I have no sympathy for actors when it comes to first world problems.

....You know there are plenty of acting roles that don't require makeup like that, right?

Like, I definitely agree she probably shouldn't continue being in this role if she can't handle the makeup, but to say she should quit acting altogether just because of one role where the (entirely-covering and very complex) makeup contains a specific material that she is allergic to is......... kinda stupid.

[Dr Kain]

And I find it stupid for her to be cast as a character she clearly doesn't even understand how to play.

[Boy Blunder]

So, back to toys, then?

[Pravus Prime]

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Originally Posted by TheBlueMarvel

I love Namor and Panther equally and that whole story irked me greatly.

While John Byrne wrote a clever explanation for Namor's vacillation between good and evil, being the sovereign of a beset upon nation-state works just as well to explain Namor's equivocating. Panther has also been at odds with American interests, Captain America, and Iron Man. His station as ruler of Wakanda, never caused him to declare war on the States nor kill (or have killed) Tony or Steve. Conversely, Black Panther has allied himself with other questionable rulers like Dr. Doom and Namor - even while Namor was in the midst of one of his 'manic' (if you can call wanting to protect your people from mankind's pollution manic) episodes. I place the blame for this upsetting turn of events squarely on the poorly conceived Phoenix "junk" from AvsX. That story, like far too many "events," was horribly executed and an abject failure in regard to representing the "Phoenix-force" with both conviction and gravitas. The events of that weak plot have carried through and been doubled down on resulting in the death of one of Marvel's most enigmatic characters. Non-Namor fans have no clue how rich the character is in depth and complexity, nor do readers realize his long history and importance within the Marvel Universe. The personality of Namor is so layered that DC, seeing how compelling the character was, gave its own Black Adam the "Namor" treatment to great success (largely the reason we are getting a film about Teth Adam). I guess Marvel viewed Namor as low hanging fruit due to fans of Namor not being vocal enough in our want to see more done with the character. Personally, I can't wait for him to be restored and the first thing I want him to do is return the favor to Hyperion (a waste of a character as Marvel's first, and weakest, Superman clone). I'm very torn about what I want him to do to Black Panther...

...end bitter rant.

Exceptionally well put though.

I'll admit, I overlooked Namor for quite a while; funny enough, it was finding the 1960's "animated" cartoons that completely changed my outlook on him. They may have been pretty much a predecessor for motion comics and mere adaptions of existing stories, but they did get me to pay attention and after seeing them I had a new respect for the character.

It was kind of a shame that they weren't doing much with him by the time I was more into Marvel as a young adult. When I heard they killed him off, it was just another in a long lines of what I felt were bizarre and bad moves they were making.

[TheBlueMarvel]

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Originally Posted by Pravus Prime

Exceptionally well put though.

I'll admit, I overlooked Namor for quite a while; funny enough, it was finding the 1960's "animated" cartoons that completely changed my outlook on him. They may have been pretty much a predecessor for motion comics and mere adaptions of existing stories, but they did get me to pay attention and after seeing them I had a new respect for the character.

It was kind of a shame that they weren't doing much with him by the time I was more into Marvel as a young adult. When I heard they killed him off, it was just another in a long lines of what I felt were bizarre and bad moves they were making.

Yeah, Pravus, I grew up watching those 'toons in syndication in the very early 80's. WPIX 11 aired them here in the NYC tri-state when I was in elementary school and Namor functioned as one of the 'gateway' heroes for my budding interest in Marvel.

Based on this convo and a previous one we had about Captain Marvel/Shazam, it's good to know that there are other people that enjoy 'digging in crates' in order to flesh out their understanding and appreciation for comic characters. Sometimes, I feel like writers and editors at Marvel don't even do that...and that's their job...smh.

[Parademon1]

Wait a minute! Marvel killed off Namor? How, when, what, why! I stopped reading Marvel after the planet Hulk/WW Hulk arc. Marvel got too PC & starting basing their characters based on the MCU after Ironman came out and to heck with the classic 616 verse. They also started changing the genders of characters just to appease the PC crowd and to heck with the fans of those characters that have been around since the 40s-50s-60s-70s-80s, etc. I'm not some racist old white man, I'm a NuYorRican from Brooklyn who due to my military svc now reside in Tx. I grew up collecting Marvel/DC comics as a kid n the late 70s-80s. I fell in love with the Stan the man's creations & hate what these new generation writers are doing to his children. To me, it's a total lack of disrespect when they just take it upon themselves to change the gender or race or sexual orientation of characters I & many others grew up with. To me, Peter Parker is & always will be the only Spiderman. Steve Rogers the only Captain America, Bruce Banner, the only Hulk, white Nick Fury the only Nick fury & Donald Blake the one & only Thor, Sam Wilson, the only Falcon, Carol Danvers,the only Ms Marvel & Logan, the one & only Wolverine!!

Deep down inside, Stan Lee & all the other creators of these classic characters must be hurting at what these "writers" have done to his creations.

[En Sabah Nerd]

So how comes it that the movie is already out in theaters now but absolutely none of my major stores have gotten out any of the Homecoming Legends? I can order most of them online at fair prices but then nobody has the Homemade suit in stock except at scalper levels. All stores in my area were filled to the brim on the Dr Strange and GotG vol2 Legends weeks before those movies even came out but Spidey merch is nowhere to be seen except for the kids stuff.

[Jeddostotle7]

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Originally Posted by Parademon1

Wait a minute! Marvel killed off Namor? How, when, what, why! I stopped reading Marvel after the planet Hulk/WW Hulk arc. Marvel got too PC & starting basing their characters based on the MCU after Ironman came out and to heck with the classic 616 verse. They also started changing the genders of characters just to appease the PC crowd and to heck with the fans of those characters that have been around since the 40s-50s-60s-70s-80s, etc. I'm not some racist old white man, I'm a NuYorRican from Brooklyn who due to my military svc now reside in Tx. I grew up collecting Marvel/DC comics as a kid n the late 70s-80s. I fell in love with the Stan the man's creations & hate what these new generation writers are doing to his children. To me, it's a total lack of disrespect when they just take it upon themselves to change the gender or race or sexual orientation of characters I & many others grew up with. To me, Peter Parker is & always will be the only Spiderman. Steve Rogers the only Captain America, Bruce Banner, the only Hulk, white Nick Fury the only Nick fury & Donald Blake the one & only Thor, Sam Wilson, the only Falcon, Carol Danvers,the only Ms Marvel & Logan, the one & only Wolverine!!

Deep down inside, Stan Lee & all the other creators of these classic characters must be hurting at what these "writers" have done to his creations.

1) Namor is currently alive (just appeared in Jean Grey #3).

2) Good job completely ignoring the concept of "legacy characters", a concept that's actually older than any of the Marvel characters you just listed aside from Captain America. A legacy character (with some more famous examples being Flash, Green Lantern, Blue Beetle, Atom, Robin, Marvel's Captain Marvel, Ant-Man, Human Torch, and various other characters, with even some of the ones you mentioned becoming legacy characters more recently) is a character whose alias is passed between multiple characters over time, sometimes with the new mantle-bearers operating side-by-side with the previous one, sometimes the previous ones retiring/dying, etc. Almost none of these characters started as legacy characters, but someone later on decided to create a new character to take up the mantle, or have a pre-existing character take up the mantle. This has been a thing in comics longer than you've been alive. Rejecting the possibility for other characters to become legacy characters is detrimental to the medium as a whole, as it creates stagnation and closes off pathways to new, interesting stories being told. Now, you can disagree with the way Marvel is turning some of their characters into legacy characters right now, or that they're doing too many at once, but outright rejecting anyone else, new or pre-existing, taking up the mantle is just closed-minded and stubborn

[Pravus Prime]

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Originally Posted by Jeddostotle7

Now, you can disagree with the way Marvel is turning some of their characters into legacy characters right now, or that they're doing too many at once, but outright rejecting anyone else, new or pre-existing, taking up the mantle is just closed-minded and stubborn

I guess I'm closed minded and stubborn. I haven't bought a single Marvel comic since Thor somehow (yes, I know they "explained" it, but I call BS on that) became unworthy.

Thor isn't a title, it isn't a rank, or description, it's a name. Beta Ray Bill didn't go around calling himself Thor. In the What If... way back when, Jane Foster called herself Thordis. So no, Thor is Thor, shall always be Thor.

TBH, that's another thing so few writers seem to understand, what it takes and what it means to be worthy of Mjolnir. In the late 60's, just after Mangog, Thor explained some of it to some hippies and his first sentence is along the lines of 'Being pure of heart or true of purpose is not it, nor enough'

I think I was in college before I read a story that had Barry Allen in it, I honestly liked Bucky as Cap for a while. I though Miles was interesting as Spiderman. But you change Thor like that and I say to thee nay!

[Jeddostotle7]

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Originally Posted by Pravus Prime

I guess I'm closed minded and stubborn. I haven't bought a single Marvel comic since Thor somehow (yes, I know they "explained" it, but I call BS on that) became unworthy.

Thor isn't a title, it isn't a rank, or description, it's a name. Beta Ray Bill didn't go around calling himself Thor. In the What If... way back when, Jane Foster called herself Thordis. So no, Thor is Thor, shall always be Thor.

TBH, that's another thing so few writers seem to understand, what it takes and what it means to be worthy of Mjolnir. In the late 60's, just after Mangog, Thor explained some of it to some hippies and his first sentence is along the lines of 'Being pure of heart or true of purpose is not it, nor enough'

I think I was in college before I read a story that had Barry Allen in it, I honestly liked Bucky as Cap for a while. I though Miles was interesting as Spiderman. But you change Thor like that and I say to thee nay!

Jane Foster is not the first non-Thor person to take up Mjolnir AND the title of Thor. Among some more minor examples, one major one is Erik Masterson, who's been using his own separate alias for a while (Thunderstrike), but started off as someone other than Thor Odinson who took up the title of Thor. He was Thor for a few years, the same way Jane Foster is now.

[donmeca2020]

Found this yesterday. Was close to snatching him up. However someone stole the BAF piece from him... so i had to pass on it...

[Panther]

I can't wait to get the Spider-Man: Homecoming 2 pack. I've seen this movie 3 times since Wednesday, and Marvel nailed it. Without going into any spoilers, what they decided to do with certain characters makes so much sense in the year 2017. No changes were made to origins or race for the sake of "change", but rather a reflection of what a high school looks like in 2017 as opposed to 1962. Great film, and it's my favorite Spider-Man movie to date, and my fourth favorite MCU film.

[Harbinger]

At least they didnt mess up mary jane. Though i dunno why future hobgoblin ned leeds , who was considerably older than peter was made into a highschool kid. Hope liz comes back, i liked her as a love intrest for pete. Kinda breaks the normal gwen or mary bit.

[Jerseysteel]

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Originally Posted by donmeca2020

Found this yesterday. Was close to snatching him up. However someone stole the BAF piece from him... so i had to pass on it...

You shoulda tried to get it at a discount from the store. I. Sure someone would have given you the BAF part, I would have if I didn't throw them away.

[kenm2474]

All that's left is to find a proper chain for his dog tags.




Old Man Logan

Young Logan

3 Sets of Hands

[Phantomcrow]

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Originally Posted by Nitelife

Though i dunno why future hobgoblin ned leeds , who was considerably older than peter was made into a highschool kid.

Because they basically used the Ultimate Spider man character of Ganke ( Who was Miles Morales best friend) to be MCU Peter's best friend and slapped Ned's name on him. And I did like that Donald Glover was "The Prowler" and he said that he had a Nephew (Miles). Which is all also from the Ultimate Universe.

[Harbinger]

Well maybe miles will be prolwer in the mcu? There is a 616 miles and it shocked pete when he saw who it was.