[DarthKamen]

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Originally Posted by Dr Kain

Not just that, but online removes any sort of character development and story the game could have. You can't have a detailed backstory and growth if you created the character yourself from scratch.

No but it does provide a level of interactivity that offline games never can. It's a different kind of fun.

[Trivial Psychic]

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Originally Posted by Dr Kain

Not just that, but online removes any sort of character development and story the game could have. You can't have a detailed backstory and growth if you created the character yourself from scratch.

I disagree. I was able to come up with backstories, methods and motivations for nearly all of my characters in Skyrim, and that game allowed you to "create the character from scratch" as you put it.

[Boy Blunder]

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Originally Posted by Trivial Psychic

I disagree. I was able to come up with backstories, methods and motivations for nearly all of my characters in Skyrim, and that game allowed you to "create the character from scratch" as you put it.

This. Every single character that I and/or my wife have "made" in either Mass Effect or Fallout, we've attached a bunch of personality, backstory, and subsequent personal investment to, regardless of what information (or lack thereof) is in the game proper.

Also, in regards to the "people don't care about Overwatch" bit... well, it's very striking designs in a high-action near-future with a continuing, if a bit mishandled, lore. How is that ANY different from comics?

Besides, this is Blizzard. They've got plenty of people still caring about WoW this far out.

[firmpulse]

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Originally Posted by boy blunder

speaking as someone who cut his teeth on the atari 2600, this is a bad, bad take.

lol!

[Harbinger]

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Originally Posted by Boy Blunder

This. Every single character that I and/or my wife have "made" in either Mass Effect or Fallout, we've attached a bunch of personality, backstory, and subsequent personal investment to, regardless of what information (or lack thereof) is in the game proper.

Also, in regards to the "people don't care about Overwatch" bit... well, it's very striking designs in a high-action near-future with a continuing, if a bit mishandled, lore. How is that ANY different from comics?

Besides, this is Blizzard. They've got plenty of people still caring about WoW this far out.

I think all fos games should have a 3rd person OPTION so that way 3rd person players could see the characters and 1st person viewpoint gamers could play it that way. On the off vs online thing if game companies wanna offer online options for multiplayer gamers they should but to not offer offline player campaigns is just wrong.

[Trivial Psychic]

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Originally Posted by Boy Blunder

This. Every single character that I and/or my wife have "made" in either Mass Effect or Fallout, we've attached a bunch of personality, backstory, and subsequent personal investment to, regardless of what information (or lack thereof) is in the game proper..

I have to agree. It's really how you tackle the game.

For example, my wife found herself getting bored with Skyrim as it seemed that after a few hours, she started pursuing the same power up goals and equipment, no matter the character she created. Having come from an older school of pen and paper RPGs (D&D and Shadowrun) I told her that she should make up rules about what her character will and will not do, and allow those to guide her next quest through Skyrim. For example, if I was playing a Khajiit, I had no issues joining the Brotherhood, although I would only tend to take missions where I would kill Nords, due to the amount of racism I had encountered in the land. I would never kill other Khajiit, Elves, or Argonians since they dealt with the same race issues. Being a male character, I wouldn't equip armor looted off of female bodies. In fact, wearing looted armor was disgusting, as I didn't want the blood of my enemies caked in my Khajiit fur, so I only wore armor I purchased or made myself...and so on.

Of course, this is just an example, but it also shows how you can let your created character's backstory and rules guide your quest, as opposed to allowing the game to hold your hand and force you to play the way they want to.

[Boy Blunder]

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Originally Posted by Trivial Psychic

I have to agree. It's really how you tackle the game.

For example, my wife found herself getting bored with Skyrim as it seemed that after a few hours, she started pursuing the same power up goals and equipment, no matter the character she created. Having come from an older school of pen and paper RPGs (D&D and Shadowrun) I told her that she should make up rules about what her character will and will not do, and allow those to guide her next quest through Skyrim. For example, if I was playing a Khajiit, I had no issues joining the Brotherhood, although I would only tend to take missions where I would kill Nords, due to the amount of racism I had encountered in the land. I would never kill other Khajiit, Elves, or Argonians since they dealt with the same race issues. Being a male character, I wouldn't equip armor looted off of female bodies. In fact, wearing looted armor was disgusting, as I didn't want the blood of my enemies caked in my Khajiit fur, so I only wore armor I purchased or made myself...and so on.

Of course, this is just an example, but it also shows how you can let your created character's backstory and rules guide your quest, as opposed to allowing the game to hold your hand and force you to play the way they want to.

I am all about this.

When my wife and I were playing Fallout: New Vegas, because of the lack of readily-available stimpacks in the early game, we mostly healed from Sunset Sarsaparillas - decent healing, no Rad increase, and you add the bottlecap to your funds. Which resulted in, even into the late game, us carrying over a hundred pounds of just sarsaparillas for healing.

So of course, this led to the conclusion that our Courier is always on a mild sugar buzz as she cuts a path of carnage through the desert, but none of her companions say anything because she's also keeping them constantly in caps.

Also, after talking to one NPC in this one NCR camp, something happened with the game (lol Bethesda) that resulted in our Courier throwing herself down the hill from the entrance of that tent and lying prone for a few moments, which we decided meant that she had a crush on the NPC and just got absolutely flustered and clumsy after the conversation

Like you said, it's all in how you relate to, and interpret, the game.

[VashTS]

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Originally Posted by Boy Blunder

This. Every single character that I and/or my wife have "made" in either Mass Effect or Fallout, we've attached a bunch of personality, backstory, and subsequent personal investment to, regardless of what information (or lack thereof) is in the game proper.

Also, in regards to the "people don't care about Overwatch" bit... well, it's very striking designs in a high-action near-future with a continuing, if a bit mishandled, lore. How is that ANY different from comics?

Besides, this is Blizzard. They've got plenty of people still caring about WoW this far out.

I used to be a heavy gamer. I decided to stop almost 10 years ago, get some advanced degrees and use my high IQ towards other ventures. Funny thing is when I stopped gaming, I became smarter, more motivated, reached my potential, simply used the gifts I was endowed with. I loved games back in the day....just loved them.

I tried to play again and it just wasn't me any more. My problem is, I cannot pretend to be someone else. I tried hard to be involved in a story and make myself that character, and I could never make myself a character in the story. Maybe I lack imagination or just on of those people who simply fell out of love?


I cannot get into backstories and deep plots and so on, in gaming. To be fair, I am also that way in movies. I find drama's boring...very much. Maybe I just lack the mental abilities to be involved in a moving, well laden story?

I think at this point, I am just a guy who like simple things. There's the main boss, I am a plumber and needs to save a princess...got it. I actually enjoy my old school comics, with the weekly or monthly villain who idiotic plot always gets foiled by the hero and no one can figure out who that the fumbling, reporter, with bad posture, really is Superdude.

[Jeddostotle7]

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Originally Posted by Boy Blunder

Also, in regards to the "people don't care about Overwatch" bit... well, it's very striking designs in a high-action near-future with a continuing, if a bit mishandled, lore. How is that ANY different from comics?

To be fair, I think Overwatch's lore is more than "a bit" mishandled, what with things like McCree being either 25, 38, or over 100

[Boy Blunder]

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Originally Posted by Jeddostotle7

To be fair, I think Overwatch's lore is more than "a bit" mishandled, what with things like McCree being either 25, 38, or over 100

...he's 37, it says so in his official profile.

Where did the other numbers come from (especially 100?!)?

[En Sabah Nerd]

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Originally Posted by Boy Blunder

...he's 37, it says so in his official profile.

Where did the other numbers come from (especially 100?!)?

I'm pretty sure the 100 was in jest. I think an early trailer or something gave the younger age and later Blizzard put up the character profile with his now official age. The story of Overwatch is definitely something they continually touch up on as they go so it's rife with retcons. Like we have a pretty solid order of events but no reliable timeline to give them full context.

Anyway this is a Marvel thread so let's not derail it further. There is an Overwatch thread for such discussions to take place.

[Harbinger]

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Originally Posted by En Sabah Nerd

I'm pretty sure the 100 was in jest. I think an early trailer or something gave the younger age and later Blizzard put up the character profile with his now official age. The story of Overwatch is definitely something they continually touch up on as they go so it's rife with retcons. Like we have a pretty solid order of events but no reliable timeline to give them full context.

Anyway this is a Marvel thread so let's not derail it further. There is an Overwatch thread for such discussions to take place.

Well hasbro IS making them and the ARE legends-esque so.......

[En Sabah Nerd]

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Originally Posted by Nitelife

Well hasbro IS making them and the ARE legends-esque so.......

I'm not complaining, hell I've been waiting on affordable Overwatch figures for two years now. I'm just advising we don't stray too far off topic in this thread.

[Nutimus Prime]

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Originally Posted by VashTS

I used to be a heavy gamer. I decided to stop almost 10 years ago, get some advanced degrees and use my high IQ towards other ventures. Funny thing is when I stopped gaming, I became smarter, more motivated, reached my potential, simply used the gifts I was endowed with.

No one else wants to touch on this? Is this a reddit /iamverysmart post?

Insult games and passive aggressively disparage gamers? Coming from a guy on a site dedicated to childrens playthings. You're the one who constantly rants against stuff that virtually everyone disagrees with then disappears until next time, right? Am I mistaken?

Imagination is one of the most important things in life. For all humanity. But you do you.

[Veronica Mars]

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Originally Posted by En Sabah Nerd

I'm just advising we don't stray too far off topic in this thread.

That's right, big brother is always watching

[Captain Nash]

Dorkside has banners for the M'Baku and Kingpin wave, and even acts as a link to preorder Kingpin, but when I click through there's nothing. My anxiety and OCD is kicking in.

[tierneygreen]

Just saw where Dorkside will start taking pre-orders for the Kingpin wave this Saturday. Sooooo tempted,...but...all I really want is the BAF. But man, how I want him. Blergh.

[Captain Nash]

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Originally Posted by tierneygreen

Just saw where Dorkside will start taking pre-orders for the Kingpin wave this Saturday. Sooooo tempted,...but...all I really want is the BAF. But man, how I want him. Blergh.

Oh Saturday is it? Great! Work will not interfere!

I don't really want the wave either, but I do want 2 of the Kingpin BAF...mostly weak ass wave with one of the best non-Sauron BAF's Hasbro has done. If it were a meh BAF i'd be down for just 2 figures - Silver Sable and Night Thrasher.

[Dr Kain]

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Originally Posted by Trivial Psychic

I disagree. I was able to come up with backstories, methods and motivations for nearly all of my characters in Skyrim, and that game allowed you to "create the character from scratch" as you put it.

That defies the whole point of playing a game then. Hell, you might as well not even watch a movie then because you can just make up the story yourself without a single dime being spent.

Why would I want to invest 100 hours in a game if I have to do the leg work with the story? I buy the games to be told a good story. That is one of the reasons why I always replayed the Ninja Gaiden games as a kid. They were some of the few video games that had fully fleshed out stories with cutscenes and everything. Even Mega Man didn't have that nor did Castlevania until Symphony of the Night.

[Tim]

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Originally Posted by Veronica Mars

That's right, big brother is always watching

Haha true that. It doesn’t take them much to completely clear the last two days of chat. You called it last time too haha

[Nutimus Prime]

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Originally Posted by Captain Nash

Dorkside has banners for the M'Baku and Kingpin wave, and even acts as a link to preorder Kingpin, but when I click through there's nothing. My anxiety and OCD is kicking in.

Noooo not yet. Haven't quite got everything from this year yet. lol

Hasbro is going to put out so much product next year. Other than a few high demand figures I'm glad to say finding things at retail has been better than ever.

[DarthKamen]

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Originally Posted by Tim

Haha true that. It doesn’t take them much to completely clear the last two days of chat. You called it last time too haha

The mods can snap their fingers and....

I don't feel so good....

[Harbinger]

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Originally Posted by DarthKamen

The mods can snap their fingers and....

I don't feel so good....

[hasbroherofan]

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Originally Posted by Nutimus Prime

No one else wants to touch on this? Is this a reddit /iamverysmart post?

We mostly just ignore the nuggets of wisdom our resident secret genius millionaire posts these days.

[Tim]

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Originally Posted by DarthKamen

The mods can snap their fingers and....

I don't feel so good....

HAHA! That’s funny as hell man!