[proteus]

Thanks for that info i was scratching my head thinking,wasnt Baxter Stockman a geeky scientist.....then a man-fly type creature?? I had no idea about this robot/cyborg Stockman y'all were talking about!!

[Tony_Bacala]

TMNT 2012 - Closer Look at CGI and Branding Art

Some more pics of the Playmates booth.

[Solrac333]

The classics figures look great! The CG art for the show is a turn off. Pass.

[Paxtin]

Frankly, I like the look of the new show. Looks to have a lot of personality.

I can see what some of the more hardcore old schoolers wont like about it. But for what it is, I don't see anything bad. This new show is going to all come down to it's writing, for me.

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Btw, guys, KRANG is not gonna be in this show! There's gonna be a race of aliens, and they're gonna be called 'The Kraang'.

I do kind of wish Krang could be his own character again.

[Snowflakian]

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Originally Posted by Paxtin

Frankly, I like the look of the new show. Looks to have a lot of personality.

I can see what some of the more hardcore old schoolers wont like about it. But for what it is, I don't see anything bad. This new show is going to all come down to it's writing, for me.



I do kind of wish Krang could be his own character again.

After what they did with the 2k3 show, I'm rather excited for the new show.
2k3 introduced a lot of interesting ideas I liked including the whole Kraang is shredder idea that really worked. So I'm curious what they'll do with that alien race again.

[Crazy Jetty]

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Originally Posted by Snowflakian

After what they did with the 2k3 show, I'm rather excited for the new show.
2k3 introduced a lot of interesting ideas I liked including the whole Kraang is shredder idea that really worked. So I'm curious what they'll do with that alien race again.

Really? That was one of the biggest possible turnoffs to me, taking away Shredder's character from himself, and making him an utron.

[Paxtin]

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Really? That was one of the biggest possible turnoffs to me, taking away Shredder's character from himself, and making him an utron.

I don't think it really took anything away from the character, so much as just put a really bizarre twist on him.

[Crazy Jetty]

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I don't think it really took anything away from the character, so much as just put a really bizarre twist on him.

See, I always think many times, things should be simple. When you start adding more and more baggage, then you get stuff like the Summers Family Tree, or Powergirl.
And when it comes to TMNT, I've always thought keeping the origins of the characters simple is one of the best ways to make the characters bright and strong.
To me, Splinter works best either as Himoto Yoshi, or as Yoshi's pet.
And Shredder works best as Oroko Saki, and not as a Mantle handed down or aquired (Which I think is what they explained him to be in the last series?).

On a side note, kinda interesting and funny that Shredder is the most influencial character outside of the fab four, when he was created to be a small onetime throwaway villain. (Which is the core joke of why they dispatched Shredder Prime so easily in Turtles Forever)

But to me, the closer he is to his roots, the cooler a villain he is.
Original Cartoon, pretty cool (Stupid, but cool concept). Archie Comics, even cooler (More serious take on him). Movies, way cool. Mirage, coolest.

[Paxtin]

I can see your point, but I think it also comes down to subjective taste.

I liked what they did with utron Shred because it was something unique and unexpected.

[thechris]

Wow. I've got to say, what a vast improvement in every aspect of articulation and the packaging looks fantastic. Although, Playmates in my opinion have always nailed the packaging with unique handdrawn packaging art on their vintage figures which were always a plus for me. In fact, the vintage TMNT line were AWESOME figures for their time regardless what toy snobs say. The added articulation, though, is a welcome advancement. They're really meeting and exceeding the expectations of the modern action figure collector. It's like they read what we said about other toy lines and took note. Well done!

[proteus]

What i love about the new and collectors lines is how excited EVERYONE is about em,theres been (i think) one negative comment in the whole thread,its really brought us all together,and i cant wait for the "look what i just got thread" to be full of turtle hauls!!!

[SaitoNetwork]

I think I'm feeling sick... what happened? This isn't a revolutionary idea for the turtles, now they look like school kids. Kung Fu Panda, okay, Sponge Bob, okay, TMNT, MOST OF THE FANS ARE ADULTS! Most of us were expecting something, a little more (at the very least) ground breaking than this. This is a step backwards, we are losing ground here, not gaining.

[MegaPrime33]

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Originally Posted by SaitoNetwork

I think I'm feeling sick... what happened? This isn't a revolutionary idea for the turtles, now they look like school kids. Kung Fu Panda, okay, Sponge Bob, okay, TMNT, MOST OF THE FANS ARE ADULTS! Most of us were expecting something, a little more (at the very least) ground breaking than this. This is a step backwards, we are losing ground here, not gaining.

See that's the point. They're aiming the new show for kids because kids want toys and are more than likely to watch a show if its on in the morning before school, after school, or weekend mornings. Then they decided to cater to us by creating the classics line. Seems like a win-win for them in my book.

[trebleshot]

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Originally Posted by SaitoNetwork

I think I'm feeling sick... what happened? This isn't a revolutionary idea for the turtles, now they look like school kids. Kung Fu Panda, okay, Sponge Bob, okay, TMNT, MOST OF THE FANS ARE ADULTS! Most of us were expecting something, a little more (at the very least) ground breaking than this. This is a step backwards, we are losing ground here, not gaining.

Well,considering they're supposed to be teenagers, they shouldn't look (or act) like adults anyway. Also, the new show is actually closer in look to their original form (which was in a comic book meant to parody the comic trends of the day).

But hey, if you don't like it, there's always the Classics line. Or if you pass altogether, more for me.

[Snowflakian]

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See that's the point. They're aiming the new show for kids because kids want toys and are more than likely to watch a show if its on in the morning before school, after school, or weekend mornings. Then they decided to cater to us by creating the classics line. Seems like a win-win for them in my book.

Plus that's what made turtles the empire it was back in the day. The kids.
Sure most of the kids are adults now, so it's time to create a whole new wave of kid appeal that'll become the adults of the future.

[Paxtin]

Somewhat amusing that Saito's comment came right after Proteus' post about positivity.

I think I said it in another thread somewhere, but I could see this new series being the Transformers Animated equivalent for TMNT. In the mixed reaction to the aesthetics anyway. The overall quality of the show is still up in the air.

[NoodleChow]

i'm all for a new show and the toys look promising at the very least. now we just need a new cg Ghostbusters cartoon with subsequent toyline to complete the circle.

[Shin Densetsu]

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Plus that's what made turtles the empire it was back in the day. The kids.
Sure most of the kids are adults now, so it's time to create a whole new wave of kid appeal that'll become the adults of the future.

If anything we adults have the new IDW books and reprints of the old to look at. I myself grew up with the cartoon, thought it was dumb once I got older, but still respected it out of nostalgia. I have an itch to read the old books. I read scans of it years back and thought it was amazing.

[Crazy Jetty]

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i'm all for a new show and the toys look promising at the very least. now we just need a new cg Ghostbusters cartoon with subsequent toyline to complete the circle.

Please no. New Ghostbusters cartoon, very much yes. CG, please please PLEASE no.

[NoodleChow]

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Please no. New Ghostbusters cartoon, very much yes. CG, please please PLEASE no.

haha yeah, i'm just going with the current trend. i would love a 2d cartoon but 3d is what i'd imagine would happen if it were ever in someone's pipeline.

and man, fall 2012 is gonna be a long wait for these toys. can't wait to get that huge playset.

[Snowflakian]

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i'm all for a new show and the toys look promising at the very least. now we just need a new cg Ghostbusters cartoon with subsequent toyline to complete the circle.

Ghostbusters was kind of one of the first remakes/continuations that happened.

Extreme Ghostbusters was before the new tmnt and before the new He-man.
It continued on the story of the old toon, with everyone retiring and Egon becoming a college professor which led to a new team. Then teamups with the old team. (Some of the same crew that made GI Joe: Renegades IIRC.)

Once the new GB movie gets moving for once, it may splinter off into yet another toon. I just hope they don't completely ignore the other continuation with the toon, or do a complete rebooted toon. This whole building the world and cast is interesting to deal with, which is what I hope they do for the 3rd movie too. At least adding a hot goth girl to the cast as a nod to the continuation toon. (Which would hopefully give them an excuse to add her to the toon again.) >.>

Luckily a new toon if it wants to start over, can just do the expanded company or a branch in a new city among many other ideas without trampling on previous material or rebooting.

TMNT is more like He-man though in many regards. It's a show you can't exactly continue at a certain point(the problem with naming a show or property teenage or character names, it narrows the subject or duration of the time frame, for he-man they'd have to only use masters of the universe to open it up more, which lowers wide brand recognition). It almost needs to be started over every 10-20 years because of the entire focus being on the 4 turtles only, unlike Ghostbusters which is about a company founded by 4 paranormal scientists.

[Crazy Jetty]

@Snow,

I think Ghostbusters could do either, honestly. I imagine a new cartoon would be a complete reboot with the original four characters, telling a new story of how they come together and form their unique business. Because the trend lately for everything seems to be "USE HERITAGE CHARACTERS ONLY!!!!"
What would be fun though, would be a small paranormal investigation team, ALA Ghost Hunters' T.A.P.S., or Ghost Labs somehow becomes the next generation of Ghostbusters.

Also, thank you for acknowledging Extreme Ghostbusters! That was a very underrated show, even in it's own time.

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haha yeah, i'm just going with the current trend. i would love a 2d cartoon but 3d is what i'd imagine would happen if it were ever in someone's pipeline.

I don't have much of an issue with CG movies (Outside of that it's a depressing trend that has literally killed a beautiful artform, and the fact that a little piece of my soul dies everytime Disney Propper releases a new CG movie), but the genre is just sooooo limiting for television.
To date, Clone Wars is the only one that's even remotely impressive (It's so full of life. But then Lucas' Studio probably throws gobs of money at it. Prime feels like a cold, barren, dead and lifeless earth where the main cast are the only lifeforms alive.)

[Paxtin]

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Also, thank you for acknowledging Extreme Ghostbusters! That was a very underrated show, even in it's own time.

I guess I might be in the minority when I say that I did not really care for Extreme Ghostbusters, at all.
I think I pretty much hated everyone on the new team. Especially Eduardo. Ooooh...I hated Eduardo. I don't think I've ever despised a cartoon character like that since Gopher from Whinnie the Pooh...That guy was an asshole.

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I don't have much of an issue with CG movies (Outside of that it's a depressing trend that has literally killed a beautiful artform, and the fact that a little piece of my soul dies everytime Disney Propper releases a new CG movie), but the genre is just sooooo limiting for television.
To date, Clone Wars is the only one that's even remotely impressive (It's so full of life. But then Lucas' Studio probably throws gobs of money at it. Prime feels like a cold, barren, dead and lifeless earth where the main cast are the only lifeforms alive.)

I know that tends to be the biggest gripe when it comes to CG tv shows. But hopfully it's something that they'll be able to rectify, because to me, it seems CGI toons on TV are just starting to truly come into their own.
That one Criticism aside, Transformers Prime is actually a very well done CGI tv show.

[Crazy Jetty]

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Originally Posted by Paxtin

That one Criticism aside, Transformers Prime is actually a very well done CGI tv show.

I would disagree with everything about that. I think it's one of the worst segments of the TF franchise.
Unimaginative writing, with flat characterizations (Starscream and Arcee are the only one's to get any real developement), and flat out boring plots.
An entire universe that seems completely devoid of any life (Seriously, we know there are humans, autobots, and decepticons out there, but they don't even really imply they exist. It's like anything that isn't on camera feels like it ceases to exist. Even Beast Machines, WHEN THEY *WERE* THE ONLY ONES IN EXISTANCE felt like the world was vast, and there could be things going on behind the scenes), and terrible animation.
While I do not like the art design, the character models look pretty when they're still shots. But they don't exist in their backgrounds, and they're over animated. Many shots (especially early in the series) felt drastically unfinished, lacking convencing shadows, and a terrible problem with downright comedic overanimation (Anytime Megatron talks, he becomes a bobblehead. That's not the only example, but it's one of the easier ones to point out).

I'll grant having Unicron be the earth itself was novel. Using him this early, and making him such a minor presence though was a complete waist of a clever plot twist. Which is another big failier of the show. It's inability to follow through with any bit of potential it generates. Why can Raph understand Bumblebee? That can potentially be something as epic as Sari. But so far, no one at all has ever questioned this.
Miko has been through a number of life changing exeriences, and made terrible choices thats cost the sutobots valuable victories, and nearly killed her best friend, yet she's exactly the same now, as episode one.
Wheeljack was about as bland a character as a character can possibly get. He could have as easily been Prowl, Sideswipe, Drift, Roadhugger, Chromedome, or any obscure car TF or micromaster you could ever pick. I'm not saying he needs to be G1 Wheeljack, but give him a personality at least.
Makeshift, they could have done dozens of nods to Slicer there. Another waisted opportunity (albeit a nitpicky one).
Optimus is the most boring representation of the character we've gotten. So is Bumblebee. Ratchet doesn't do anything but complain. Bulkhead doesn't have the personality or heart his Animated counterpart does.

The only good things I can find about this series:
Arcee all around. Can actually take her seriously now. I also like her relationship with Jack.
Soundwave is cool for the first time in the franchise' history, intimidating and sinister.
Starscream is pretty cool.
And Airachnid is *not* Blackarachnia.

So no. All around, I think Prime is one of the worst TF shows. The CG is all flash, but once you look at it, it's not much better than BM. (Which squarely puts it under, since that was ten years ago. Prime should be way more advanced, and way further ahead. But the only real improvement is textures)

But, if you're compairing Prime's CG to something like Strawberry Shortcake, then I'll agree. The CG is indeed real good.

...I'll stop derailing the thread, now. Sorry.

[LXL_Guy]

If anything, I hope Miyamoto Usagi appears in this incarnation of TMNT as well. I need a figure of him. Otherwise I'm eager to get my paws on some new turtles.