[TheSymbiote]

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Like, Graymalkin and Ink?

yeah,we don't remember who was in that team very much

[Veronica Mars]

well I think the flying girl behind wolvie is either Oya or Rachel, the the group of 3 infront of strong guy is either Multiple man or the cuckoos maybe the shape behind rogue is Lorna? And of course Fantomex is still a "HUGE Secret"

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having looked a little more closely I think two of the figures in front of Strong Guy are Multiple Man and the one closest to havok is Lorna, leaving the identity of the last member of rogue's team a mystery although the straps kind of suggest Chamber

[afgoosett]

Final Blue Team reveal.

[ORIO]

^ beat me to it. No cannonball on new mutants. Actually surprised my guess on Magma was right

[Veronica Mars]

Since when does Magma fly?

[xhavoc86]

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Originally Posted by Veronica Mars

Since when does Magma fly?

Since she merged with Cannonball!!! jk But where's Cannonball!?!?

[miketime]

WOW! Who's the Colossus Juggernaut Character in Uncanny X-Men? Is Colossus dead? It def seems like there are too many X books. Is it strange that Marvel and DC seem to be "Starting over" at the same time. I call BS on that. There in cohoots.

[Veronica Mars]

I believe that is Colossus

[Snowflakian]

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WOW! Who's the Colossus Juggernaut Character in Uncanny X-Men? Is Colossus dead? It def seems like there are too many X books. Is it strange that Marvel and DC seem to be "Starting over" at the same time. I call BS on that. There in cohoots.

It's colossus.

And Marvel isn't starting over, this is all story driven, and what seperates the teams is a story based moral compass decision based on using mutants as weapons, especially children.

DC on the other hand, is full on time wave reboot/reconfiguration of the universe. Two entirely different things. One's an actual starting over for the entire line, and the other is the culmination of 10 years of storytelling into an event that no one cares about.

On the other hand, I may start picking up the X-Title that'll be using jubilee, but otherwise I'm meh on the whole idea. I do like that it finally came to a head about cyclops using children as weapons and wolverine finally stepping up to say no, that's a line you don't cross, but this is a story that should have happened ages ago. Logan has let it slide too often to just finally take a stand against it now with Idie. Whereas before he let it slide with X-23 (her choice, though really she doesn't know how to say no to spec ops missions), Rahne Sinclair(again it was her choice), among god knows who else from the academy X run and others. But wolverine takes a stand because of Idie? Another new recruit, one he barely knows, one who is probably just as damaged as the others mentioned mentally, and yet the little 14 year old girl he doesn't even know other than buying her a doll once and giving her ice cream he's getting all defensive about?

I guess I can understand it to a degree with this being the straw that broke the camel's back, but seriously, when did Logan lose his balls? He wouldn't stand up for his daughter, half assed it for his son, but a girl he barely even knows he gets upset that cyclops uses her to kill a bunch of humans.

I can let kitty, jubilee, and whoever else slide as they were pre-memories, and pre-him knowing he had kids for the paternal instincts to kick in truly, but this randomness is kind of weird for him. Well, unless they pull some entire schtick of him empathising with Idie because he grew up thinking himself a monster, as X-23 and Daken did too, and wants to stop that at an early age for Idie, but that's yet to come up. At least not directly, it's only insinuated with the ice cream and doll when he hears her say she's come to peace with being a monster.

I don't know, I'll give it a few more issues still, but right now the incomprehensible story work, and lack of defining the whys is leaving the story lacking. I just hope they justify these choices instead of just leaving it to reader assumptions.

Magma's been flying for awhile now. Some idea as how the human torch could fly. She's been doing it in the new title randomly.

[BAD MOON]

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Originally Posted by Snowflakian

It's colossus.

And Marvel isn't starting over, this is all story driven, and what seperates the teams is a story based moral compass decision based on using mutants as weapons, especially children.

DC on the other hand, is full on time wave reboot/reconfiguration of the universe. Two entirely different things. One's an actual starting over for the entire line, and the other is the culmination of 10 years of storytelling into an event that no one cares about.

On the other hand, I may start picking up the X-Title that'll be using jubilee, but otherwise I'm meh on the whole idea. I do like that it finally came to a head about cyclops using children as weapons and wolverine finally stepping up to say no, that's a line you don't cross, but this is a story that should have happened ages ago. Logan has let it slide too often to just finally take a stand against it now with Idie. Whereas before he let it slide with X-23 (her choice, though really she doesn't know how to say no to spec ops missions), Rahne Sinclair(again it was her choice), among god knows who else from the academy X run and others. But wolverine takes a stand because of Idie? Another new recruit, one he barely knows, one who is probably just as damaged as the others mentioned mentally, and yet the little 14 year old girl he doesn't even know other than buying her a doll once and giving her ice cream he's getting all defensive about?

I guess I can understand it to a degree with this being the straw that broke the camel's back, but seriously, when did Logan lose his balls? He wouldn't stand up for his daughter, half assed it for his son, but a girl he barely even knows he gets upset that cyclops uses her to kill a bunch of humans.

I can let kitty, jubilee, and whoever else slide as they were pre-memories, and pre-him knowing he had kids for the paternal instincts to kick in truly, but this randomness is kind of weird for him. Well, unless they pull some entire schtick of him empathising with Idie because he grew up thinking himself a monster, as X-23 and Daken did too, and wants to stop that at an early age for Idie, but that's yet to come up. At least not directly, it's only insinuated with the ice cream and doll when he hears her say she's come to peace with being a monster.

I don't know, I'll give it a few more issues still, but right now the incomprehensible story work, and lack of defining the whys is leaving the story lacking. I just hope they justify these choices instead of just leaving it to reader assumptions.

You should read the last Wolverine arc as it gives insight into why Wolverine is feeling more defensive over using the kids as soldiers.

[Snowflakian]

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Originally Posted by BAD MOON

You should read the last Wolverine arc as it gives insight into why Wolverine is feeling more defensive over using the kids as soldiers.

Probably should. After that shitty wolverine in hell story I pretty much gave up on that title entirely.

It just annoys me that he's waited this damn long to finally stand up when he's felt this way for awhile. (Mentioned in early X-Force v3, among some other titles sporadicly, of course then those titles turn around and do the exact thing with him he's claiming to not want to do.)

Edit: Read issue 14. And yeah, it's not really setting this event up well at all on the why about the kids. Mostly because his discussion with Idie came before this issue was released, and also because he's made his arguments against children being used as weapons way back in X-Force v3 issue 1 besides the occasional remark post-messiah complex.

I do like the point it expressed about every person killed is a brother, sister, father, mother, daughter and son(which is true and something too often everyone forgets), but the execution of this as his finally getting the balls to stand up for the convictions expressed seems forced just to hammer the children part home. A view he's been stating for about 5 years now anyway, but never backing it up. Also the whole setup before this issue with the mongrels is also rather lacking in impact and feels like an author's attempt to blindside an audience with something for the sake of blindsiding them and not for story integrities sake(no foreshadowing, no suggestive nature to insinuate it, and more other than the one who looks like sabertooth). It has an air of a typical story twist for these kinds of stories but in such a way it seems implausible even for suspension of disbelief.

For wolverine it seems much deeper rooted than that, so while this issue may have played a part, if it really is what they are calling his 'turning point to finally man up about his convictions expressed before' it feels lacking. I hope schism covers this better. They have enough material to warrant it from just these past 10 years to not need a new forced event to drive the point home to him and the audience. So this whole 'wolverine no more' bit seems a little bit like overkill to make sure audiences are paying attention as opposed to using organic serial story-telling that comics were built on and known for. He's expressed his views about kids as weapons many times before this, he's just never finally manned up about it until the messiah stories were done when he kicked X-23 off the X-Force team finally. One could assume that near genocide of the mutants made him begrudgingly follow the orders of cyclops for the kids included, and the birth of more mutants means that time of war is over finally so he can think freely, but they need to hammer the point home better of why he's standing up for his convictions now over other times. Why Idie is the catalyst that makes him no longer stomach these actions any longer and stand up to cyclops. The revenge it might bring down later isn't a good reasoning so much as it's just a scapegoat for new audiences that didn't know wolverine has had these views since a few years before he got his true memories back. Though I do hope this hell arc changes his views about just killing everybody like he stated they should do to the scarlet witch in children's crusade. It just seems like they can't make up their mind where he falls in any given issue. One day he's caring and considerate to those around him about the pain he's caused others, and then other issues he's back to berserker rage, then back to saying little kids should worry about toys and ice cream while they are young and not fight or see wars or gruesome images. Then back to killing anything that moves. That's my issue with this entire event. It's too much picking and choosing what stories to use and what to ignore. Too much inconsistant characterization across the board to really hammer down a final cause.

It'd be much more fitting if they just approach it from the emotionally damaged angle to not screw kids up worse than they already are by making them do these unspeakable acts. To not let these kids think they are monsters and make it worse by having them do monstrous acts. That's the point that Idie brings to the table in her brief talks with him during schism. A point that's not covered in the wolverine goes to hell arc(which to be honest, outside of a few cool scenes of the fire claws, that entire story felt very half-assed, and riddled with blatant mistakes, errors and just outright screwups). "Kids are supposed to be kids, the grown ups are supposed to protect them" has been a view he's expressed since at the very least 2003(after it was shown in X-Men evolution it bled over to the comics for sure, but it could have been even before that).

[ORIO]

Gold Team revealed

[iLegends73]

call me crazy. but does that picture of wolverine remind anyone one else of the marvel select thing? all thighs and feet lol

[miketime]

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call me crazy. but does that picture of wolverine remind anyone one else of the marvel select thing? all thighs and feet lol

It so does lol. It has been bothering me for days. He looks like a badger lol well actually a Wolverine. That artistic style does nothing for me.

[ORIO]

That's Bachalo for ya.

[Veronica Mars]

Ok, who's the school girl behind Iceman on the cover of Wolverine and the X-Men?

[Nexodusrex]

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Ok, who's the school girl behind Iceman on the cover of Wolverine and the X-Men?

thats Idie, Codenamed Oiya and one of Hopes Five Lights, or was one

[rodimus15]

So is Psylocke on both side?

[ORIO]

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So is Psylocke on both side?

Apparently. Or one is Psylocke and the other is Revanche or the AoA Psylocke.

[xhavoc86]

Lorna and Havok on the same team, and looks like Rachel has a new look

X-Force is the best team roster imo out of all the teams they have right now.

[ORIO]

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Lorna and Havok on the same team, and looks like Rachel has a new look

X-Force is the best team roster imo out of all the teams they have right now.

Words can't express how much I love that Nightcrawler design. NEED A TOY.

[xhavoc86]

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Words can't express how much I love that Nightcrawler design. NEED A TOY.

I need all the X-Force as a toy!!!

I also would like to see another female character on the team, I still don't know why they took off Domino... lol

[ORIO]

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I need all the X-Force as a toy!!!

I also would like to see another female character on the team, I still don't know why they took off Domino... lol

Yeah I agree on both.

Domino liked the kill crew. Don't know why she left. I definitely think X-23 needs to return as well.

[afgoosett]

It's def not Revanche. I mean she wasn't anywhere to be seen in the Dark Angel Saga. So yeah she's probably dead or something like that but I'd bet my left nut it's not her maybe my right one too. With her being on both sides it leads me to think that she's a spy.

Hell someone brought up the thought of look at all the people on the adjectiveless X-Men team. They're all connected to Wolverine. Jubilee/Father figure, Warpath/Ex-X-Force member, Domino/Ex-X-Force member, Storm has always liked Wolvie, and then there's Betsy who is on the current X-Force team. So either he does something that pisses them all off and they side with Scott or else they still love the old canuckle head and are gonna be his eyes and ears on old one eyes side.

[ORIO]

So, who is missing here? Obviously all the younger class (don't know why they don't have their own book) but Namor, Pixie, Archangel, Northstar, Dazzler, Husk, the X-Club.

Who else am I forgetting?