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Greenskar 06-20-2012 09:22 PM
I almost forgot:

The Avengers plan one last mission to take hope straight outta Utopia. Cyclops stops Thor's hammer with one finger and blasts the shit outta him. Some weird Yin Yang symbol appears when Iron Fist gets in front of one of Emma's fire blasts. Cyclops or Emma, not clear who, actually thinks Iron Man's armor off of him. Then out of nowhere, Scarlet Witch appears. She says she sees how it ends and Cyclops attempts to touch her but is seemingly burned by the attempt. She extracts Hope and the entire team. Cyclops then comes to the realization that even though the mutants were near extinct the humans still came after them and even after they made the world a better place for everyone the humans still came for them. They will never stop because they know they can count on their heroes to do their dirty work so long as Human Leaders convince them its the "right thing to do". Cyclops then declares...

..."No more Avengers."

Its worth mentioning that Jonathan Hickman wrote this issue and it was his final entry into this event. He certainly kicked the second act off on the right track. Cyclops takes the phrase "power trip" to all new levels of meaning. Plus anytime Cyclops talks down to Professor X and makes him his bitch is always satisfying to me. Even Magneto speaks of Cyclops with reverence.

Also, based on their behavior in this issue, I think Beast and Black Panther are going to side with the X-Men. Beast makes sense, being a long time X-Man, and T'Challa knows make-up sex in in his best interest and Storm certainly won't be the one apologizing. I'd say sorry too if I was him ;)

Mastersteef 06-20-2012 09:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Greenskar (Post 308835)
Ok, while the first act of AvX (#0-5 specifically) main storylines left much to be desired and seemed like nothing more than a gimmick to pit heroes against each other, act 2 or issue #6 of AvX starts much stronger for me.

The Phoenix 5 have come into there own and have changed the world for the better it would seem. Where the was hunger there are now feasts, the world has free unlimited energy (in your face, Stark!), water is fresh and plentiful and Utopia is huge now. They've even abolished war against human and mutant alike. So what is there left to bitch about? Well everyone still remembers with the Phoenix, everything goes dark eventually so Avengers are searching for contingencies in case that happens while Beast is starting to believe the Avengers are just paranoid because from his perspective the world is now a better place to live in thanks to the Phoenix 5 and yet the Avengers are still looking for ways to stop them.

Cyclops has a conversation with Hope about how she's not a prisoner and can go wherever and do whatever she wants, however, she still hears the Phoenix calling to here. He offers the Phoenix power to her and she accepts...only for Cyke to deny it to her because she rejected it the first time and now he doesn't see her as worthy. He said she's a kid with no experience and asked her if she thought she could change the world like he just did given the power? As he walked away she yelled that she can still here it, the Phoenix wants to burn brighter and hotter, that what he's done wasn't enough.

There is some great artwork involving Namor ridding the sea of Warships, Sentinels being destroyed by Emma's will and nuclear warheads being gathered by colossus to be destroyed permanently. PoTUS is still not convinced the X-men have any accountability and asks Cap, Tony and T'Challa to find a way to stop them.

Meanwhile it is revealed in the mystical city of K'un Lun that a former red haired Iron Fist defeated the Phoenix. Two equally charged souls cancelled each other out (Dragon and Phoenix). The Thunderer is told the Iron Fist is needed to stop the threat (potential status quo change for Iron Fist?) The issue ends with Scarlet witch having a vision of the Avengers being incinerated by the Phoenix.

All in all I was satisfied with this issue and i haven't even read the free infinite comic yet.
Thanks for typing out the epic summary for us man, I stopped by hastings today and tried to read the thing real quick but my little guy was getting antsy so I only really got to skim it. :)

Also no offense to John Romita Jr., but Oliver Coipel's art in this issue is simply leagues better than the 5 issues before it. Fucking Breathtaking.

And as for the actual issue, I love the way the story is going and how Iron Fist (your my boy blue, Danny!) is taking a much bigger role in this than in prior events in the Marvel U.
I LOVED the quick snatch and grab/fight with The Five as the Avengers tried to snag Hope. From Danny withstanding the Phoenix blast, to Thor versus Cyclops that scene couldn't have been any cooler if they'd tried. ;D

And on a final note, I totally want either MU or ML versions of The Five (particularly Cyke and Emma) as well as the sweet "spec-ops" style suits the Avengers wore during Hope's rescue.

MAKE IT SO HASBRO!!!

Greenskar 06-21-2012 07:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Mastersteef (Post 308979)

And on a final note, I totally want either MU or ML versions of The Five (particularly Cyke and Emma) as well as the sweet "spec-ops" style suits the Avengers wore during Hope's rescue.

MAKE IT SO HASBRO!!!
If I was on the fence about liking or not liking the idea of the Phoenix 5 after the previous issue then issue #6 pushed me into the "like" side of it. The infinite comic did a good job of giving us some insight into Cyclops' stare of mind as he deals with possessing omnipotent power. There's even an homage to the classic Dr. Manhattan on Mars scene from the Watchmen comics where he seeks solitude in Mars to collect his thoughts...except Scott goes to the moon, specifically the part of the moon where Jean made the ultimate sacrifice.

I would welcome Phoenix 5 figures of either scale at this point.

Trainwreck 06-21-2012 02:46 PM
I can't help but wish Remender was writing more on the main series. I heart to death Venom, X-Force, and Secret Avengers right now.

Symbiote 06-21-2012 03:18 PM
Hell yes to the phoenix 5. I'd luv to see that in a 5 pack even if it consists of repaints. Just as long as they use the new cyk mold. And we would get a magik and emma figure.

I like the direction issue 6 is going with.

rodimus15 06-23-2012 08:18 PM
Just picked up #6 and VS. #3. #6 was really good. I really like cykes state of mind. Its very interesting coming from him. I can't wait for the next issue. I'm also loving VS. I mean its booty that they make use buy more comics buts the series has been so good. I didn't like that russian speak between magik and widow though. Marvel, I don't want to download another app just to read a panel... I saw an avengers on the stands. Spidey, Hope, and Iron Fist in the ancient city. Can anyone tell me what that was about? It looked important.

shortysben 06-23-2012 08:50 PM
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Originally Posted by rodimus15 (Post 310427)
Just picked up #6 and VS. #3. #6 was really good. I really like cykes state of mind. Its very interesting coming from him. I can't wait for the next issue. I'm also loving VS. I mean its booty that they make use buy more comics buts the series has been so good. I didn't like that russian speak between magik and widow though. Marvel, I don't want to download another app just to read a panel... I saw an avengers on the stands. Spidey, Hope, and Iron Fist in the ancient city. Can anyone tell me what that was about? It looked important.
nah, not really, it just basically was that *spoiler* Hope saw "the spider" in her glimmervoid (or whatever it was), and the grand master kun lun (or whatever) tells her the spider (spiderman) must "train" her...

So spiderman speaks the famous words "with great power comes great responsibility"...

and Hope somehow gets something out of it...I dont know, I didnt take too much out of it...

Greenskar 06-23-2012 08:59 PM
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Originally Posted by shortysben (Post 310438)
nah, not really, it just basically was that *spoiler* Hope saw "the spider" in her glimmervoid (or whatever it was), and the grand master kun lun (or whatever) tells her the spider (spiderman) must "train" her...

So spiderman speaks the famous words "with great power comes great responsibility"...

and Hope somehow gets something out of it...I dont know, I didnt take too much out of it...
Well one thing we learned was that the opposite energy of the Dragon Chi can somehow cancel out the Phoenix force's destructive energy. My question was more of a what ever happened to that silent Red head Iron fist from over a hundred years ago after she finally became the vessel for the Phoenix?

As for Hope, she didn't think anyone could possibly relate to her eff'd up life and how everyone thinks she's supposed to do something special yet no one trusts her with anything. What she found in Spidey and his famous quote and his story was not only somehow who could relate but actually mastered it and turned it into a strength. She was in awe of what he said. I really appreciated that moment.

bmorr 06-24-2012 07:37 AM
It was one of those few moments where spidey doesnt make a quip and says something meaningful. I loved it.

Snowflakian 06-24-2012 09:11 AM
I love the Phoenix 5 designs.

That being said though. I'm still leaning on Cyclops is going to end up biting the big one after all this. I'm also still wondering what's up with colossus and how Cytorak is reacting to cohabitating with the phoenix force(unstoppable force + the living embodiment of death and rebirth? That screams for a twist!). I'm rather surprised that issue hasn't come up yet anywhere. I'm also curious how limbo might react to Magick with Phoenix power.

This entire might makes right story in the main line isn't doing much for me yet, though the infinite for 6 was definitely awesome.

The side stories though so far have been pretty wow. Loving the Avengers Academy tie-ins. Especially issue 32. The other X-Titles really help give perspective on what exactly it is the phoenix 5 are doing and planning. Like the literally using telepathy to change minds is going a bit far among other instances of overstepping and rationalizing the why it's okay to fundamentally change people by force to what you desire them to be.

riot control 06-25-2012 04:06 PM
I liked #6 a lot! I understand milking the cow, but seriously, I hate how it took 5 books to get to where they are now. 2 books could have covered it all so far.

Anyways, I agree with Snowflakin, I think somehow either Charles gives Cyke a mindwipe, but something naggin inside me tells me Magneto might be the one to end it for Scott. Mags has been too quiet in the series so far. Then again so has most of the back up X-Men.

Snowflakian 06-25-2012 05:53 PM
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Originally Posted by riot control (Post 311717)
I liked #6 a lot! I understand milking the cow, but seriously, I hate how it took 5 books to get to where they are now. 2 books could have covered it all so far.

Anyways, I agree with Snowflakin, I think somehow either Charles gives Cyke a mindwipe, but something naggin inside me tells me Magneto might be the one to end it for Scott. Mags has been too quiet in the series so far. Then again so has most of the back up X-Men.
I think magneto might be fine with all this. It's his House of M done right pretty much and everything he wanted with mutants as masters of the earth.

Charles I could see stepping in and doing something about it though. Among other possibilities to parallel the original dark phoenix saga.

riot control 06-25-2012 07:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Snowflakian (Post 311790)
I think magneto might be fine with all this. It's his House of M done right pretty much and everything he wanted with mutants as masters of the earth.Charles I could see stepping in and doing something about it though. Among other possibilities to parallel the original dark phoenix saga.
Is it really though Magneto's HoM? The Phoenix created it and I think although he accepts that fact right now, it doesn't sit well with him. Seems out of character...but who knows. My Marvel comic knowledge stopped in the 90's lol :)

rodimus15 06-25-2012 07:20 PM
Magnus out of character is joining the x-men. Lol, atleast to me. But I agree, something doesn't seem right. Mags has to have some master plan concocted.

Greenskar 06-25-2012 07:49 PM
This exceeds anything Magneto ever dreamed of. He looks at Scott with reverence as of now. He's perfectly in character with what the writing has been developing since he brought Kitty Pryde back and saved her from that bullet she was stuck in.

Charles has always been bitchy about how things should be done and what not. He thinks his way is the only way even though he's been sketchy with how manipulative he's been in the past.

Snowflakian 06-25-2012 08:21 PM
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Originally Posted by riot control (Post 311844)
Is it really though Magneto's HoM? The Phoenix created it and I think although he accepts that fact right now, it doesn't sit well with him. Seems out of character...but who knows. My Marvel comic knowledge stopped in the 90's lol :)
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Magnus out of character is joining the x-men. Lol, atleast to me. But I agree, something doesn't seem right. Mags has to have some master plan concocted.
Magneto always wanted mutants to rule. He was very "might makes right" and as long as it's mutants doing this, I'm sure he's okay with it. He's just sitting back and enjoying his dream coming to life while charles' dream is burned to the ground.

As for Magneto joining the X-Men...
That was explained over in Avengers Academy pretty well awhile back with Pietro. Magneto is turning the x-men into his new brotherhood from the inside. Which is exactly what's happening tbh. Cyclops' X-men pretty much are the new brotherhood while Wolverine's school is the Xavier dream. All the phoenix power did was speed the process up. Since the phoenix power embelishes on natural host traits... Cyclops is going to go more and more control freak on everyone. So out of all of them, he's the one that'll probably end up getting killed. While the others have different aspects that aren't as dangerous. (Namor's arrogance, Emma's vanity, Piotr is artistic and creative at his core other than cytorak's influence, Magick is a wild card though.)

It's kind of funny in a way.
Cyclops' plan is exactly why they kicked Xavier out of the X-Men. Manipulating people went against Xavier's own dream. Now Cyclops is ordering others to do the very thing that made them decide to kick Xavier out originally.

riot control 06-25-2012 10:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Snowflakian (Post 311878)
Magneto always wanted mutants to rule. He was very "might makes right" and as long as it's mutants doing this, I'm sure he's okay with it. He's just sitting back and enjoying his dream coming to life while charles' dream is burned to the ground.

As for Magneto joining the X-Men...
That was explained over in Avengers Academy pretty well awhile back with Pietro. Magneto is turning the x-men into his new brotherhood from the inside. Which is exactly what's happening tbh. Cyclops' X-men pretty much are the new brotherhood while Wolverine's school is the Xavier dream. All the phoenix power did was speed the process up. Since the phoenix power embelishes on natural host traits... Cyclops is going to go more and more control freak on everyone. So out of all of them, he's the one that'll probably end up getting killed. While the others have different aspects that aren't as dangerous. (Namor's arrogance, Emma's vanity, Piotr is artistic and creative at his core other than cytorak's influence, Magick is a wild card though.)

It's kind of funny in a way.
Cyclops' plan is exactly why they kicked Xavier out of the X-Men. Manipulating people went against Xavier's own dream. Now Cyclops is ordering others to do the very thing that made them decide to kick Xavier out originally.
So who is gonna kill him do you think? Or will he sacrafice himself?

SH0CKWAVE 06-25-2012 10:55 PM
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Originally Posted by riot control (Post 311977)
Maybe I should check my PM and see if my good ole friend SH0CK has written me...
fixed!

rodimus15 06-25-2012 11:16 PM
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Originally Posted by riot control (Post 311977)
So who is gonna kill him do you think? Or will he sacrafice himself?
IT'LL BE JEAN! :haha

Snowflakian 06-26-2012 12:00 AM
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Originally Posted by riot control (Post 311977)
So who is gonna kill him do you think? Or will he sacrafice himself?
Wolverine would make sense in a way, but I thing that might cause too many reactions of "REPEAT!"

Captain America or an Avenger makes sense though since it'll equate cyclops to a martyr for Magneto's dream which in turn will cement the new "brotherhood" staying together even though it's all heroes.

bmorr 06-26-2012 04:56 AM
what if.......professor x stops the xmen? In a absurd twist, he gets angry that he failed his students and his dream was unattainable and kills the(you know its gonnna happen)out of control phoenix five.

HOWEVOR ladies and gents, we still have to take into account the scarlet witch involvement, as it is seen she can hurt them. Scott touched her and it burned his hand.

Exodus 06-26-2012 08:43 AM
You guys all forgetting Nathan/Cable, he should be in this story arc along with Rachel/Marvel Girl. It would be sad if they're not in this next chapter, well at least Cable. It would make sense with the reasoning behind the X-Sanction storyline why the Avenger's had all that mutant holding gear that they had when Cable brought that stuff from the future to contain the Avengers in.

bmorr 06-27-2012 12:57 PM
since the majority of the x-books tie ins came out this week, can you gus give some quick synopsis'? Thanks!

xhavoc86 06-27-2012 06:59 PM
i really dont like where this story is going... seeing all the characters missing from the Astonishing X-Men wedding, I'm worried that they are either gonna be killed or something...

As for this weeks comics, SPOILERS AHEAD:

Ms. Marvel came to Rogue to try and reason with her but they end up fighting and Rogue wins (although I think Ms. Marvel was holding back). Anyways i think she got through to Rogue because when Phoenix Magik came to put Ms. Marvel in a "Limbo" prison she placed on earth Rogue looked scared. (This was in X-Men Legacy)

A group of Avengers got confronted by Phoenix Namor and some of the other X-Men and they fight, Hope was with them, and Rachel had a chance to take her down, but she opted to let her go instead and she lied about it to Cyclops. (Wolverine and the X-Men)

looks like some of the x-men are starting to question the phoenix five...

bmorr 06-27-2012 07:16 PM
thanks havok. whats was up with the kid gladiator being surrounded by the avengers in the WATXM cover.


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