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DHeezy81 07-27-2012 08:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ghostdog0081 (Post 331735)
"I don't get the slow shipping complaints form US customers. The most it's ever taken was 2 weeks and that was thru Newgistics/USPS. UPS always gets my order here in less than a week. Even Newgistics/USPS got my order from Cali to Michigan in 4 business days."

Wish they still used ups for me. When I use to just buy them on the sale day I would get them from ups in 3 days. Since I subscribed they have shipped them all with Newgistics and it takes 2 weeks or more in a few instances. Two weeks for shipping from Cali to Oklahoma is absurd.

Do you not have the option to select UPS for your sub orders? Their default is set to Newgistics.

Dragon Prime 07-27-2012 08:21 AM

I fell in love with this line when I first saw them but I was initially turned off because of the on-line only gig. It wasn't until the TRU MOTUC/DC 2 pks hit store and actually owning one that I had to have these. Especially He-Man being in outlandish comic colors in the 2 pk. I had to have a normal one with his sword. I remember shelling out $50 for the 2nd version of He-man via ebay and it steamed from there. Mt MOTUC collection isn't as big as others, but it is an important part of my collection. Now that He-Man is an everyday item and that right there should show collectors how far the line has gone to.

I am sad to see the line go but at the same time they have gone as far as they could.

They need to get rid of Digital River. The fact that Paypal isn't an option alone was enough for me to not want to buy from Matty anymore. Granted I fell financially in my personal life, but now that things got better I really see no reason to buy from them anymore. I will actually spend the few bucks more from BBTS to have the better shipping, paypal options, and customer service.

I also feel the line ran out of gas. They made 95% of all the main characters, and I really think that aside from Ram-man I am not that excited about the new figs coming out this year. They would be better off making more characters based on the "The New Adventures of He-Man", an MOTU Movie Masters line (I know the movie sucked but PPL would buy into those easily), and the 2002 series. Instead we are getting more obscure characters and with the price increases ppl aren't as attracted to the line anymore. Just look at the SDCC exclusive this year. It is boring as hell and not worth the price for a no-name generic character. The sub figure is nice looking, but it isn't going to make me sign up for a sub. Not only is it economically feasable for me to get a sub, but if it were there are other lines/brands I'd rather spend my money on.

Also, at the end of the day these are toys. It is very hard to get ppl to commit to what is bascially a monthy bill, in this economy. I never bought a sub in the past, and the only thing that stopped me was the fact that my wife would rip my head off and feed it to our cat. I am glad I didn't because the year I came close to buying one I lost my job, and that would have been a harsship just to have some toys. Now they could give a sub at 50% off each item and I still wouldn't buy. The line just isn't as exciting anymore, MattyCollector happened to get in just before ppl were being more money conscience. Toys aren't a realistic priority for a majority of people, and that is even the most passionate figure collector.

My friend was a die-hard and even he is contemplating not getting any subscriptions where before he would get 3 subs. That to me says something is isn't right. I know he wasn't happy the month the Star Sisters was sent to his house. That was one major bill according to him, for what were less than stellar figures.

The only thing I can think of that could help sales is either make a Castle Greyskull already, or starting making smaller scale MOTUC and focus more on vehicles and playsets for that line and it might even attract a different audience. But even that is a stretch.

I'll always have love for this line, but I am not one bit surprised if it does come to an end. It was definitely the best run of MOTU figures since the original, and you have to give Mattel credit for making it this far on such a niche product.

The DMC 07-27-2012 08:42 AM

The main reason I didn't sub this year is mainly due to character selection. (Digital Rivers incompetence is a given.) They need to focus on the CLASSIC characters. Sure they said 2014 was going to be like that but it's too late now. I'm over all these concept characters and am not a fan of POP or NA. I'm a dude, I never collected the She-Ra figures because they were for girls!

Dr Kain 07-27-2012 08:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lody666 (Post 331223)
Here's a WILD IDEA:

First off, get rid of Scott

Why? Because the guy is not only doing his job but is also a fan of MOTU just like we are?

I'm sorry, but that is like getting mad at a Best Buy sales associate for asking you if you want a credit card or protection plan just because he has to or gets written up if he doesn't. If you don't like it, you have to take it up with the people that make the company decisions, not the nobodies that are just doing what they are paid to do.

Quote:

Originally Posted by The DMC (Post 331749)
The main reason I didn't sub this year is mainly due to character selection. (Digital Rivers incompetence is a given.) They need to focus on the CLASSIC characters. Sure they said 2014 was going to be like that but it's too late now. I'm over all these concept characters and am not a fan of POP or NA. I'm a dude, I never collected the She-Ra figures because they were for girls!

Netossa, Ram Man, and Jitsu are classic characters.

ghostdog0081 07-27-2012 08:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DHeezy81 (Post 331738)
Do you not have the option to select UPS for your sub orders? Their default is set to Newgistics.

I wish, I contacted digital river on the issue and the lady told me "alterations to subscriptions cannot be made". It's not a huge deal to me, just kinda shady in my opinion as they charge the same shipping rate as UPS. I'm more disappointed by the figure choices this year.

The DMC 07-27-2012 08:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dr Kain (Post 331752)
Why? Because the guy is not only doing his job but is also a fan of MOTU just like we are?

I'm sorry, but that is like getting mad at a Best Buy sales associate for asking you if you want a credit card or protection plan just because he has to or gets written up if he doesn't. If you don't like it, you have to take it up with the people that make the company decisions, not the nobodies that are just doing what they are paid to do.



Netossa, Ram Man, and Jitsu are classic characters.

Yeah, but that's only two figures for me. I don't even remember who Netossa is or where she's from. I was going to "cherry pick" this year if the line goes forward.

aey103 07-27-2012 09:57 AM

MOTU was the first line I remember collecting as a child and the MOTUC line is my favorite line to collect currently, which sounds blasphemous to me since I am a Transformers collector/fan first and foremost. Unfortunately I didn’t find out about this line until late 2010 and then only got the obligatory He-Man, Skelator, Battle Cat and Pantro. And then it snowballed into I will only get these main characters, and then the Horde, and then I ended up with pretty much all of them and I decided to get a 2012 sub and re-subbed for 2013. While not a fan of any of the PoP figures the subs were still easy choices for me since my wife loved the She-Ra cartoon as a kid and “helps” take those figures off of me…for free.

Also knock on wood, so far with a sub or any orders I placed with DR I have not had a single issue or complaint against them as many have.

Lody666 07-27-2012 10:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aey103 (Post 331788)
MOTU was the first line I remember collecting as a child and the MOTUC line is my favorite line to collect currently, which sounds blasphemous to me since I am a Transformers collector/fan first and foremost. Unfortunately I didn’t find out about this line until late 2010 and then only got the obligatory He-Man, Skelator, Battle Cat and Pantro. And then it snowballed into I will only get these main characters, and then the Horde, and then I ended up with pretty much all of them and I decided to get a 2012 sub and re-subbed for 2013. While not a fan of any of the PoP figures the subs were still easy choices for me since my wife loved the She-Ra cartoon as a kid and “helps” take those figures off of me…for free.

Also knock on wood, so far with a sub or any orders I placed with DR I have not had a single issue or complaint against them as many have.

Alot of people do not realize that MOTU kicked off the great toy rush of the 80's,

So many other lines were inspired and came out as a result.

webz 07-27-2012 12:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lody666 (Post 331791)
Alot of people do not realize that MOTU kicked off the great toy rush of the 80's,

So many other lines were inspired and came out as a result.

Really? I always saw Action Man as the instigator for all the toy collecting that came in the 80's, 90's etc.

He had so many accessories, vehicles, and was very versatile...

He-Man WAS one of the first toy lines to be supported by a 30 minute animated toy commercial, so I will give you that.

But this history lesson doesn't detract from the main problem... All the major characters have been done (exception being Mek-a-Nek and Ram-Man). There is really nothing left to do but the lesser known characters.

I think Mattel could put their time and energy into a mainstream new MOTU line. I would LOVE a more proportionate, dramatic He-Man line. Let 4H go wild with the designs. I realize it's a video game and not a toyline, but look at what Warner Brothers is doing with "Injustice: Gods Among Us" ... they took 70+ year old tired designs and gave them a major 21 century upgrade... He-Man could use a facelift too.

evilanimation 07-27-2012 01:01 PM

MOTU was cool but not that cool. Who honestly can go back and watch MOTU classic episodes, they are a joke, I mean don't get me wrong I watch episodes with my sons and its fun but I do not enjoy them. But put in classic G.I.Joe or Transformers and I can watch those by myself and still enjoy them. MOTU 200x was so much better than the original, I loved the story lines and animation style, I was sad to see that go.

aey103 07-27-2012 01:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by webz (Post 331838)
... All the major characters have been done (exception being Mek-a-Nek and Ram-Man). There is really nothing left to do but the lesser known characters.

I still consider Two Bad a major character that hasn't been done. And from the vintage 80's line I still want to see Mantenna, Modulok, Clamp Champ and Ninjor (mainly because those two appeared in the same mini-comic as Scareglow which has been done), as well as the remaining Snake Men and to a lesser extant the remaining Horde (Dragstor and Multibot). I can take or leave the rest of the vintage figures including a Horde Trooper pack.

Quote:

Originally Posted by evilanimation (Post 331847)
MOTU was cool but not that cool. Who honestly can go back and watch MOTU classic episodes, they are a joke, I mean don't get me wrong I watch episodes with my sons and its fun but I do not enjoy them. But put in classic G.I.Joe or Transformers and I can watch those by myself and still enjoy them. MOTU 200x was so much better than the original, I loved the story lines and animation style, I was sad to see that go.

I agree the 200x MYP show was better as well as Transformers and GI Joe (and Thundercats for that matter). But the Filmation He-Man I can still watch (and did so the other day stuck in bed sick watching for 6 or 7 hours on Netflix). The reason I always felt that it got a bad rap as cheesey was because of the writers intent to teach a moral to children during each episode.

Bubba304 07-27-2012 01:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by evilanimation (Post 331847)
MOTU was cool but not that cool. Who honestly can go back and watch MOTU classic episodes, they are a joke, I mean don't get me wrong I watch episodes with my sons and its fun but I do not enjoy them. But put in classic G.I.Joe or Transformers and I can watch those by myself and still enjoy them. MOTU 200x was so much better than the original, I loved the story lines and animation style, I was sad to see that go.

Ummm I watch the classic filmation episodes....I haven't seen them since I was a kid, once I started collecting the new MOTUC's I HAD to go back and watch the episodes from my youth...I had forgotten pretty much all of them so its like a brand new show for me that I enjoy. the 200x series was awesome, I wish they would start that back up again, and of course I love watching G.I. Joe ARAH and the new Renegades series as well. I've always loved animation, from he-man to the X-men to Clone wars....its all a matter of opinion. So that being said....I hope more people out there like me will get in touch with their inner child and Sub up for the Club Eterina, Club Infinite Earths and Club Black Freighter. I might just throw in the towel after these lines are done, after these there's really not much anything else I want/need.

Solrac333 07-27-2012 02:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aey103 (Post 331869)

I agree the 200x MYP show was better as well as Transformers and GI Joe (and Thundercats for that matter). But the Filmation He-Man I can still watch (and did so the other day stuck in bed sick watching for 6 or 7 hours on Netflix). The reason I always felt that it got a bad rap as cheesey was because of the writers intent to teach a moral to children during each episode.

200X is the best upgrade to an 80's show. G.I. Joe Resolute and the new Thundercats are also great. I'm still waiting for a great Transformers series to do the same. As for the morals, I think they did that to balance out the "violence".

Years ago, I could not watch the old He-man cartoons. Watching them again on the Qubo Channel, I kind of like them again. For some reason, it's fun to watch them at midnight and She-Ra at 1 AM.

Bubba304 07-27-2012 02:14 PM

Characters I'd like to see made :
Two-Bad
Extendar
Rio-Blast
Clamp-Champ
Ninjor
Blade
Saurod
Dragstor
Mantenna
Modulok
Tung Lashor
Sssqueeze
Snake Face
EvilSeed
Flogg

Of course the list can go on and on, I'd love to see MOTUC get the same treatment as star wars, where every character gets made into plastic form....but its not gonna happen. so finish making the original figures and update them to MOTUC form...I would like evilseed and flogg as a bonus. what they should have done was make the figures in the order that they came....first do the masters, then she-ra, then the new adventures characters, and then make some 200x and fan made characters.

soundwavempl 07-27-2012 02:29 PM

I want at least all vintage MOTU characters that had figures made to be made in MOTUC.

Here a MOTUC Visual Checklist based on the vintage lines:

Masters of the Universe Classics from Vintage Visual Checklist

My vintage visual checlist for MOTU is here:

Masters of the Universe Figures

cortez42 07-27-2012 02:31 PM

I believe there are 3 factors which have put this line in jeopardy, and none of them have anything to do with the great design and sculpts from the 4H. They continue to provide authentic and true-to-vintage figure sculpts that make this collector and fan very happy. That being said, here is my opinion as to why subs have fallen off:

1) Digital River: It took these guys 3 years to get there act together, and along the way, they probably frustrated 90% of people who bought through Mattycollector.com. Their customer service is terrible and I don't appreciate having to deal with people who are halfway across the world, and who do not have an appreciation for the collector.

2) Increased costs and exorbitant shipping fees and tax: I have a hard enough time dealing with figures that cost more than $20. Last year, they upped it to $22 and I could stomach that. This year, $25. See ya! Add that to the unreasonable shipping fees that I pay and the > 8.75% tax imposed on me as a CA resident, and it was simple for me to say 'pass' on this year's sub. If I buy two figs, it ends up costing me close to $70. That's stupid.

3) Quality of subscription: I think many of us have felt burned by buying a full year and really getting only 5 or 6 characters that we really want. As a fan of the original vintage line, I look for the Ram Mans or the Mekanecks of the Masters Universe. Yet, I end up paying outrageously (see above) for characters like Bow, or Slush-Head, or Scott's vanity figure. Trick me once...well you know the rest.

I'm not at all surprised that the line is in danger in light of all the comments (including mine) above.

Noisemaze 07-29-2012 05:49 PM

My 3 favorite characters, Evil-Lyn, Spikor & Stinkor have been made. It can end now.

cinemajay 07-29-2012 07:36 PM

I've loved many figures in the line, but the price creep has kept me from getting a subscription. I also dislike the fact that the only way to "not" miss out on a figure (i.e., taking your chances with the refresh page of doom) is to get a sub.

So if you want to avoid the terrible service by Digital River--get a subscription?

No thanks. I'll continue to buy mine ala carte.

Enigma2K2 07-30-2012 07:21 AM

Hmmm... I see Digital River brought up a lot in here... think there might be something to that?


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