Definitely agree with you on those points. In "Wolverine and the X-Men" it is very stout. A lot like that "X-Men" picture I posted where he is talking to Spider-Man. At first I thought Deadpool was supposed to be farther away in that picture but they are all coming out of the portal at the same time and they look to be mostly in line. I think the artist just messed up trying to put Deadpool in farther back.

My main issue with the original mold was that giraffe neck. Whenever I look at my Daken it makes me sad. I just wish they had used the claws that came with Patch Logan from the Silver Samurai comic pack more. But really, Wolverine needs a wrist hinge for his claw action. I want a new mold but with new costumes like Ultimate Wolverine or AoA.


I do think the XMO is spot on for how he was drawn in the brown and tan days.

Of all the XMO figures, no one ever mention Maverick. I was really glad we got that guy and the figure is decent. I was so glad when they remade Sabertooth as that figure was just about perfect.

It has to do with the depth of the image. If you look closely Wolvie is about a step closer than Psylocke, and she is about 2-4 steps closer than Wade. They are all on the same plain, but as the walk towards the reader the floor is sloped towards you by the artist to add depth, and the illusion that there is a 3 dimensional image in front of you. You'll notice that all 5 of their waists are aligned this gives the artist a reference point, and allows them to draw them side by side at different depths, but not all in the same line as though they were up against a wall.

Sorry I kind of geeked out there I took the artist's work shop that Klause Jansen, and Howard Chaykin taught at the Baltimore Comic Con 2 yrs ago. They are really great guys, and I learned a ton that I didn't even know I didn't know even having been drawing all my life.

As for the discussion at hand my favorite Wolvie is the XMOW Astonishing Wolvie. The older MU Wolvie works for Daken since he's a little taller than his dad, but for Logan the Astonishing Wolvie is the figure to use. I do like the biker Wolvie too though.

While we are on the subject.

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I like xmo wolverine comic series in the white tank top and jeans

I like the one with the hat that came with the motorcycle.

I really like that one and:

-Giant Size/Sentinel
-1st Appearance (both)
-First Class (hopefully to be replaced with AvX soon!)
-Madripoor/adventurer (hard to believe this is the first time we got this Wolvie costume EVER. I wish his face wasn't so fucked though.)

Another reason these XMO Logan bucks are so cool IMO is the consistency. They all seem to be made from the same mold, just slightly re-tooled for a few. All are roughly the same size and stature so it's obvious to tell it's the "same person". Unlike Spider-Man who seems to use a different buck for every costume.

The XMO Sabertooth is another awesome figure. His torso is kind've stunted- but they all can't be absolute perfection. When I first got him, he killed a lot of Joes taking the defected Storm Shadow's place in Cobra. :D

XMO Gambit is terrible. This figure goes go show how important wrist swivel really is. His is the type of figure we need a new (or highly retooled) version of.

That's the biker Wolvie I was talking about.

My biggest complaint about Wolvie is they haven't made a set of retractable claw arms for him.

Is that the biker wolverine 2 pack with sabertooth if so the short haired sabertooth is awesome

Agreed completely. The only XMO claws I liked were the ones used on Patch which I am almost certain was a canceled XMO figure which was already tooled and just pushed into the Marvel Universe line.

Yeah but shortening the description of the XMO Wolverines by referring to them as XMO is a lot easier than repeatedly saying "the Marvel Universe Wolverines which were originally from the XMO line but repainted for the Marvel Universe line".

Everyone wants new tooling, hell this thread is about making new tooling for Wolverine. Why? It's because regardless of which character anyone wants, Wolverine is still popular, Hasbro is going to make more Wolverine figures and there is no sign of that stopping in the near future and beyond. I would rather see a new buck used instead of reusing the outdated XMO molds. If we are going to get more Wolverines, and we definitely are, I would rather have something more up to date. Give it the Avengers style hips and I would be happy too. This thread is about Wolverine getting a new buck, a new buck for other characters can be discussed in a new thread or existing thread where it was already brought up.

Agreed

I sure hope not. My fear for the Wolverine movie is articulation on par with the current Spiderman movie line, where only 1 4" figure is super articulated and the others are on par with Clone Wars or less.

I think at this point we got most of what we could get from the XMO mold. Sure Hasbro could repaint the body and reuse the unmasked head again, in fact that would be cool. However what else can they do aside from that? Maybe a repaint in the 80's brown costume colors, like they did for the Icons line. Even so, I think Hasbro is close to maxing out the repaint/retool possibilities for that mold. They could do that variation where the gloves/boots have thin lining.

Yep that's the one.

Those are a good example of why I don't care for seperated claws. It hardly seems worth it to try for the detail of seperated claws if the finished product looks like 3 chunky, limp, silver hotdogs.

BTW- I'd love to trade someone a set of those "Patch seperated claw hands" for a pair of the "XMO Spec Ops Wolvie uni-claw hands" if anyone is interested.

I know that, friend. That's the exact point I was trying to make in regard to the poster's qualm against the XMO body paint apps. That point was regardless if it was an XMO buck or a brand new MU buck, paint would apply just the same.

Also understood. I'm just trying to pinpoint why you think Wolverine needs new buck. You say the XMO buck is outdated. I feel the total opposite. I think it's the closest thing to a perfect figure likeness that any MU character has. There have been plenty of toys made that were much worse than their like predecessor. The new MU female bodies are a great example of that. If Logan did get a new buck, in all likelihood, I feel it probably be much worse. I'm sure a lot of people would feel differently being they'd prefer hotdog claws, broker-ankles, and 6" proportions on 1/18th scale figures. :)

i'd be down for a new wolverine buck for sure.
-the claws i'd say i'm happy with how the astonishing wolverine has em. at this scale, most of the free floating ones like patch and the MU styled ones look and look kinda off. if they're close together with the inbetweens filled in with black, i feel they look pretty good. he needs closed fists as well.
-in terms of articulation, they just need to give him the up to date joints like rocker ankles, hinged wrists, and hinged neck on top of the rest.
also a new body would mean they'd be able to make him stockier if possible.

actually fixed up my wolverine how i'd sorta want it and kept his height. he sports swivel calves and rocker ankles, MU legs, hinged wrists, and a hinged neck. basically modded him to be closer to the MU style and to rival my ML astonishing wolvie in poseability.
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@ Colder Soldier. The XMO mold is perfect??? This one comment delegitimizes anything and everything you have and will ever say. And for the record none of my MU Wolvies have limp claws. And thanks for pointing out that Wolverine is not the Hulk. I was so confused...

I don't want a new XMO Wolverine buck. I want a new MU Wolverine buck. You know the better funded line that uses better plastic and paint applications. And I'm not sure if you've noticed but more surface area on the XMO molds are left unpainted because they use colored plastic. This much like the scale of the figures in the line causes them to stand out from the MU figures.

As fare as the whole worse predecessor thing you mentioned, I know we all hate the new DD, Punisher, Cyclops, and Ultimate Spider-Man figs... Also I like the new female buck.

@ NoodleChow. Awesome work on the Wolverine. He looks much better. And as always I'm creaming my paints for that Gambit.

Closest. Closest to perfect in comparison to most other characters. It's closest due to it being a great, realistically proportioned sculpt. The scale is very true to the character taking account for his unusual size. No he doesn't have rocker-ankles, double jointed wrists or puckering asshole, but the artic it does have is more than adequate and fully functional for 3.5", 2 oz action figure. Close to perfect. Take into account I said close. From now on account and comprehend for every word. My gauge at your comprehension level plus your previous failures at a knowledgable counterpoint is why I had already delegitimized your argument and stopped addressing/quoting you directly. Until now.

Sigh. So the MU bucks use better plastic than the XMO bucks used in the MU line becuase they're still funded by the movie and the XMO figures all molded in colored plastic so the paint... ???? Aww fuck it. I'll just won't even try with you and this one anymore. Can someone explain to me what he's talking about?

Of the plenty toys I mentioned I said failed to meet the quality of their predecessors, none of the figures you named apply IMO. So I'm either in disagreement with you and whoever "we all" are who truly hates those figures. Or I'm in total agreement with you despite the elementary attempt at snarky rebuttal. Lol.

I don't want to argue. Just trying to have a worthy debate among the MU community. But Synapse I'm done with. I won't quote or address you anymore as long as you do the same. I'll give you one more since I'm sure you have to get the last word (no matter how ridiculous...).

You've used the word perfect twice in regards to the XMO sculpt. In terms of his hight and again referencing the likeness. I wont try and read your mind or have an argument in semantics. But this fact accompanied by your constant unwavering defense of the XMO mold and failure to recognize any flaws paints a pretty clear picture. What I will do is make this final point. You know, "get my last word in." Feel free to respond or not.

I have addressed issues I like and dislike about both the XMO mold and the MU mold. Nether do it for me. I do favor the MU mold over the XMO version. But I have repeatedly tried to respect those who disagree. It's subjective and I'm all for options. That's why I'm in favor of a new mold. Hoping it will come out better then the two other molds. Considering we have most all versions in both molds, I'm ready to spend my money on something new. As far as my "snarky" remarks, I was trying to point out the failed logic of your comment. You're words were "plenty of toys." A bit general, but I thought that would include the MU line. So excuse me for not following you. My point was that the line has improved the quality of it's molds with the recent addition of the DD mold, and others, and I was hoping it could do the same with Wolverine.

I think those of us in favor of a new mold are entitled to that desire. You may disagree but your opinion isn't the end all be all. I have addressed most all you have said. Agreeing with much of what you've said. Still my opinion remains the same. You have been rude and dismissive throughout this whole debate. And not only to me. I may have made one "snarky" comment but in no way have I disrespected you, your opinion, or called you names and used profanity to call out others. You have done all these things.

So in closing I would just like to say, that despite your impressive arguments and eloquent debating skills, you have failed to change my mind.

So take your asinine behavior and go fu@k yourself.:Spidey

I'd like an updated Wolvie too. I don't think anyone would argue that the XMO Wolvie isn't great in terms of scale, but considering the character, it's time for an update. Keep him the same size, but give him a little NoodleChow love. Or at least rocker ankles.

as long as wolvie is still short. the first MU release was too tall.