Originally Posted by kylactus (Post 631391)

still could be one awesome battle where he uses the saber, or he may pick up the saber at the end of the movie from someone else, look at episode 4 (the first movie), Luke doesn't get much saber action at all, he turns it on in Obi Wan's living room, then plays with it in the Falcon, and never fights with it, but Luke with a light saber was burned into everyone's memory, and pronate in a lot of the promo art and posters. Hell it could for all we know, be the only "cool" weapon Finn uses. I just don't think one character being packed with a particular accessory is "spoiler" worthy or should be read into too much. next week when we've all seen the movie I'm sure it'll make sense. I'm just glad Lucas isn't on board, I'd hate Kylo or Phasm to take there helmets off to reveal JarJar.

Originally Posted by Jmacq1 (Post 631341)

Yeah, he is. I'll gladly eat crow on the 18th if I'm wrong. But I'm not. I think he'll come out on the losing side of his confrontation with Kylo Ren, but it won't be fatal.

SPECULATION/RUMOR-INDUCED SPOILER POSSIBILITY:

Especially since it's all but a given a FAR more prominent character is likely being offed in this installment.

END POSSIBLE SPOILER

Boyega and Ridley (and Driver and Isaac to a lesser extent) have been trumpeted as "the" new faces of Star Wars. That's not something that happened with Maul, Jango, or even Qui-Gon. Heavily marketed? Sure. But never really touted as "the future of the franchise." Certainly not the way MacGregor, Portman, and Christensen were with the prequels.

Originally Posted by Jmacq1 (Post 631341)

The point being, if you think "Star Wars Loyalists" would be outraged by that statement, just think for a second about the amount of internet-outrage that will be generated if "The Black Guy dies first" in what very likely will be the biggest/most highly visible film of the last ten years. If you think Disney isn't/wasn't aware of that potential reaction when the film was being written and made sure to avoid it (not that it was ever likely much of a possibility), I have a bridge or three to sell you.

Originally Posted by Trivial Psychic (Post 631406)

I don't normally read into media fluff pieces, especially when they spout off about the "future of the franchise" and all that nonsense, because it's really not all that different from the marketing side of the promotion beast. Most media outlets have a job to do when it comes to marketing and promotion, and it's to sell magazines and newspapers while having the next big scoop or photo shoot. How many actors and actresses have been labeled "the future of a franchise" only to be dumped unceremoniously by their studio before the next film due to negative reviews or underachieving box office? (The recent Fantastic 4 film comes to mind.)

The point I was trying to make was that that before Episode 1 (and to a lesser degree, Episode 2) debuted, certain characters were plastered all over anything they could get their hands on, only to have those characters not make it past the end credits (Qui-Gon/Maul) or to fade away from the prequel's central plot with barely a peep. (Jar Jar) Being the way these movies are marketed, Finn being plastered on posters and promotional material does not guarantee anything in the greater scheme of the story, or even that he survives the first film, but I like you will just have to wait until the film hits the theaters to find out for myself. =)

Which leads into my next thought...



I'd like to believe that artistic integrity would win the day, and that a character survives the film's plotline simply because they are supposed to, and not because it will ruffle a few people's feathers with agendas if they don't because of the character's skin color. However, with this new era of "trying to please everyone" and political correctness, it's hard to believe in anything but. Just yesterday, I was reading a story about how Captain Phasma was originally written as a male character, and was shoehorned into becoming a female character after people were nitpicking the cast of SW:TFA not having enough women roles. (For me, I really don't care if it's a man, female, or alien under the chrome armor.) I couldn't help but shake my head when I read that.

I realize we live in a different time and era than when most of the great classics were written or filmed, but agendas in this country have seriously run amok, and when it starts to interfere with an artist's vision (however broad or narrow it is...) it really starts to become borderline ridiculous. (on a tangent, the amount of flak that Joss Whedon took with Age of Ultron over the whole "damsel in distress" plot line left my jaw hanging.) Movie studios, directors, producers, and writers need to grow a pair, and stop worry about pissing off anyone off, because in the end, it's their work, and they need to realize that you cannot please everyone. There will always be some keyboard warrior who wants to air their grievances over everyone else's voice in the room.

That's enough semi-political ranting on my end...as I don't want to get away from why we are all here...toys. Back to our regularly scheduled thread...lol. Good discussion folks! =)

Originally Posted by kylactus (Post 631392)

show me a screen shot of the take down order or I doubt this is real. how many thousands of pics of "unreleased" figures have we seen here and I've never heard of anything like this.

Originally Posted by kylactus (Post 631345)

wouldn't it be nice if the story influenced the progression of events, instead of peoples own ignorant assertions of race and militant political correctness? That said, why's everyone assuming from a couple seconds of trailers that Finn is the main holder of the saber in the first place? Han Solo used Luke's saber ESB, but he's no Jedi, trailers are often purposely cut to deceive you. He may just happen to have it for one battle, in the trailer scene with him about to fight the riot control trooper he doesn't look super confidant in his swordsmanship. I'd even bet that's the first time he turns a saber on, he looks shocked when it extends.

Originally Posted by Trivial Psychic (Post 631406)

I don't normally read into media fluff pieces, especially when they spout off about the "future of the franchise" and all that nonsense, because it's really not all that different from the marketing side of the promotion beast. Most media outlets have a job to do when it comes to marketing and promotion, and it's to sell magazines and newspapers while having the next big scoop or photo shoot. How many actors and actresses have been labeled "the future of a franchise" only to be dumped unceremoniously by their studio before the next film due to negative reviews or underachieving box office? (The recent Fantastic 4 film comes to mind.)

The point I was trying to make was that that before Episode 1 (and to a lesser degree, Episode 2) debuted, certain characters were plastered all over anything they could get their hands on, only to have those characters not make it past the end credits (Qui-Gon/Maul) or to fade away from the prequel's central plot with barely a peep. (Jar Jar) Being the way these movies are marketed, Finn being plastered on posters and promotional material does not guarantee anything in the greater scheme of the story, or even that he survives the first film, but I like you will just have to wait until the film hits the theaters to find out for myself. =)

Which leads into my next thought...



I'd like to believe that artistic integrity would win the day, and that a character survives the film's plotline simply because they are supposed to, and not because it will ruffle a few people's feathers with agendas if they don't because of the character's skin color. However, with this new era of "trying to please everyone" and political correctness, it's hard to believe in anything but. Just yesterday, I was reading a story about how Captain Phasma was originally written as a male character, and was shoehorned into becoming a female character after people were nitpicking the cast of SW:TFA not having enough women roles. (For me, I really don't care if it's a man, female, or alien under the chrome armor.) I couldn't help but shake my head when I read that.

I realize we live in a different time and era than when most of the great classics were written or filmed, but agendas in this country have seriously run amok, and when it starts to interfere with an artist's vision (however broad or narrow it is...) it really starts to become borderline ridiculous. (on a tangent, the amount of flak that Joss Whedon took with Age of Ultron over the whole "damsel in distress" plot line left my jaw hanging.) Movie studios, directors, producers, and writers need to grow a pair, and stop worry about pissing off anyone off, because in the end, it's their work, and they need to realize that you cannot please everyone. There will always be some keyboard warrior who wants to air their grievances over everyone else's voice in the room.

That's enough semi-political ranting on my end...as I don't want to get away from why we are all here...toys. Back to our regularly scheduled thread...lol. Good discussion folks! =)

Originally Posted by Trivial Psychic (Post 631406)

I'd like to believe that artistic integrity would win the day, and that a character survives the film's plotline simply because they are supposed to, and not because it will ruffle a few people's feathers with agendas if they don't because of the character's skin color. However, with this new era of "trying to please everyone" and political correctness, it's hard to believe in anything but. Just yesterday, I was reading a story about how Captain Phasma was originally written as a male character, and was shoehorned into becoming a female character after people were nitpicking the cast of SW:TFA not having enough women roles. (For me, I really don't care if it's a man, female, or alien under the chrome armor.) I couldn't help but shake my head when I read that.

Originally Posted by kylactus (Post 631392)

show me a screen shot of the take down order or I doubt this is real. how many thousands of pics of "unreleased" figures have we seen here and I've never heard of anything like this. That said if you told me Disney sent the order I'd believe it... they're run by Satin's boss, the dark mouse.