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deecee4 07-25-2021 04:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Reformatted2086 (Post 876395)
Nobody understands that Filmation is to blame here.

MOTU has always been about Skeletor trying to gain access to Castle Grayskull. In the original story there were 2 halves of the Sword Of Power, whoever gets both halves can unlock Castle Grayskull. Which means if Skeletor gets both halves, He-Man can still fight him. Do you see the problem yet?

Filmation changed that. They created Prince Adam. So now if Skeletor ever gets the Sword Of Power & uses it, there is no He-Man. Now that Skeletor has used the sword & became Skelegod who the hell can stop him? So basically in the Filmation version, Skeletor can never ever gain the power of Grayskull, which completely goes against what the entire franchise has always been about.

I love this new show because after waiting almost 40 years they finally gave Skeletor his victory. He finally got the sword & the power of Grayskull. This is the show I've always wanted. I haven't been into MOTU since they ruined the 2002 series with those stupid mini statues
They were still figuring shit out in those mini-comics (he-man's harness has an on/off button lol) so I wouldn't hold them as absolute canon.
Also those stactions Neca put out were really cool but regardless not sure how that ruined the 200x series. In fact, they came out after things winded down with the series and toyline, iirc.

EvilMonkeyPope 07-25-2021 06:17 AM
Teela's head unfortunately looks off model to the show.

HoovenIV 07-25-2021 06:22 AM
After watching the show now and enjoying it, it actually makes these toys appealing whereas before I didn't care.

I can understand people who don't dig the writing and that's always a fair criticism. Some stories hit and some don't for people. But when I hear people throwing around "pushing agendas," I just imagine them watching the show, spitting out their Cap'n Crunch and yelling "EWWWWWWWWW! GIRLS!" Which is.....whatever. You do you.

Spooked 07-25-2021 07:35 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Reformatted2086 (Post 876395)
Nobody understands that Filmation is to blame here.

MOTU has always been about Skeletor trying to gain access to Castle Grayskull. In the original story there were 2 halves of the Sword Of Power, whoever gets both halves can unlock Castle Grayskull. Which means if Skeletor gets both halves, He-Man can still fight him. Do you see the problem yet?

Filmation changed that. They created Prince Adam. So now if Skeletor ever gets the Sword Of Power & uses it, there is no He-Man. Now that Skeletor has used the sword & became Skelegod who the hell can stop him? So basically in the Filmation version, Skeletor can never ever gain the power of Grayskull, which completely goes against what the entire franchise has always been about.

I love this new show because after waiting almost 40 years they finally gave Skeletor his victory. He finally got the sword & the power of Grayskull. This is the show I've always wanted. I haven't been into MOTU since they ruined the 2002 series with those stupid mini statues. Revelation sucked me back in. But all the fans + Outrage & Cancel Culture are going to destroy it.

With Skeletor possessing the sword, there can be no He-Man. Now do you understand how Filmation screwed everything up by making stupid unnecessary changes?

This is really depressing because I can look forward & see how awesome this series could be. Skeletor is in control for a while & transforms Eternia into an evil hellscape. Then He-Man returns somehow & defeats Skeletor in a totally epic battle. But the fans just won't allow it. They're not willing to even give it a chance.

Outrage & Cancel Culture cannot be stopped.

Spikor is my #1 favorite MOTU character so I'm absolutely thrilled we are getting him so early. But I just hope the line lasts long enough to get my other favorite characters Stinkor & Clawful. I think a listing for Stinkor has been found in the computers. I just hope Mattel doesn't cancel the line.
So much of what you said here is spot-on, and yes we do have a Stinkor listing! He's in Wave 3 witth Andra, Fisto, Viking He-Man and Barbarian Skeletor.

ShabbyBlue 07-25-2021 08:25 AM
I went into the show being skeptical and expecting the worst after all the negative hate on Twitter and elsewhere about it from those who saw early viewings. But I ended up really enjoying it. It's a great "series finale" for the original show that then transitions into something new and creative with quite the cliffhanger ending. I'm looking forward to the 2nd half of the season to see how this all plays out next.

Regarding the figures, I picked up wave 1 at Walmart and the Battle Cat and Skelegod at Target a week ago. I'll be all in for anymore Revelations figures. I'm surprised Spikor is in wave 2 though since he had such a minor cameo in the first half of season 1. Mer-Man would have made more sense.

Also I was shocked to see Wun-Dar and Vikor in the Preternia scenes, so I hope we get Revelations style versions of them eventually.

I wonder if they'll do a classic style figure of Teela eventually too, as depicted in the opening of Episode 1 and the later flashback scenes.

Riddick 07-25-2021 10:43 AM
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Originally Posted by EvilMonkeyPope (Post 876401)
Teela's head unfortunately looks off model to the show.
Looks like they tried to make her pretty instead of how she looks in the series.

Reformatted2086 07-25-2021 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted by deecee4 (Post 876399)
Also those stactions Neca put out were really cool but regardless not sure how that ruined the 200x series. In fact, they came out after things winded down with the series and toyline, iirc.
Because the line was dying & switching to those statues was like the final nail in the coffin.

And for me personally, my 3 favorite characters are Stinkor, Spikor & Clawful. Spikor never even made it into the line. And right when they got to Stinkor & Clawful they made those stupid statues. So that was like a really bad stinging burn for me personally. I collected the entire line, I had every single toy released. Every single variant. Then making my favorite characters into those statues was the same as kicking me in the balls as hard as you can. I don't like statues, I like action figures. Big difference. Also, Clawful's mace snapped in half the second I tried to put it in his hand/claw.

And then there was that whole fiasco with Classics & Mattycollector. Mail order only, the shipping was stupid overpriced & people had nothing but trouble ordering. I didn't even waste my time with Classics. They charged like $20 for shipping. I couldn't afford to collect that line.

Reformatted2086 07-25-2021 01:15 PM
Wait! So this is just the first half of season 1? When does the second half air? I thought these 5 episodes were the whole season 1. That's good news. What if the second half is awesome & all the haters are made to look totally stupid? That would be the coolest thing.

Harbinger 07-25-2021 01:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Reformatted2086 (Post 876425)
Wait! So this is just the first half of season 1? When does the second half air? I thought these 5 episodes were the whole season 1. That's good news. What if the second half is awesome & all the haters are made to look totally stupid? That would be the coolest thing.
Honestly i hope part two IS better…..part one was not very good at all.

deecee4 07-25-2021 01:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Reformatted2086 (Post 876423)
Because the line was dying & switching to those statues was like the final nail in the coffin.

And for me personally, my 3 favorite characters are Stinkor, Spikor & Clawful. Spikor never even made it into the line. And right when they got to Stinkor & Clawful they made those stupid statues. So that was like a really bad stinging burn for me personally. I collected the entire line, I had every single toy released. Every single variant. Then making my favorite characters into those statues was the same as kicking me in the balls as hard as you can. I don't like statues, I like action figures. Big difference. Also, Clawful's mace snapped in half the second I tried to put it in his hand/claw
I could be off on the timeline but I dont think Mattel switched over from action figures to stactions. I think they already ended the line and then (along w/ 4 horsemen & neca) gave collectors the opportunity to fill out their collections with stactions that were in the same scale and style as the 200x figures. Only since they were in resin, the sculpts were a lot sharper and paints apps were on point...quality not unlike a 2-up prototype but at the smaller action figure scale and affordable prices. I thought the line was great but to each their own of course.

Btw, I seem to remember Clawful's mace being made of plastic not resin but, could be misremembering. It didnt seem like he was able to have a solid grasp on it and I was concerned about paint rub so never bothered to have him hold it.

GizmoTron 07-25-2021 06:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Raine24 (Post 876388)
I wasn't interested before, but now I'm genuinely curious what's going on with this show! What are they pushing?
They're pushing the annoying man-babies who hate and complain about everything out of the way so that there's more room for the actual MOTU fans the show was created for.

Harbinger 07-25-2021 06:57 PM
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Originally Posted by GizmoTron (Post 876440)
They're pushing the annoying man-babies who hate and complain about everything out of the way so that there's more room for the actual MOTU fans the show was created for.
I just hope the back half of season 1 is better. And really hope that if you know who cant you know what that wundar comes into the fray. It’d be awesome to see him get some screentime.

IzzyTipsy 07-26-2021 05:27 AM
Well, at least nobody got their gender switched to female because they were an effeminate male originally (looking at you, Netflix Saint Seiya).

classicaaron 07-26-2021 06:47 AM
i didnt really care for the show a whole lot but will still get the figures. i love the teela, man at arms and spikor look pretty much how they always looked so no issue there. beastman is easily the weakest of the wave but nothing terrible.

firmpulse 07-26-2021 08:22 AM
SPOILERS

Here’s my theory. Adam is dead. Like dead dead. Because he can’t go back to Preternia so he proceeds into oblivion. Skeletor gets beat. Teela takes the sword. Teela becomes the new He-Man. Like she ACTUALLY transitions into a man when she takes the power of Grayskull.

Transformation and “true forms” are a massive theme in this iteration. Think back to the comment made about Adam in Preternia. He was the only hero that “chose his lesser form”. The other heroes chose their He-Forms because those in Preternia "choose their forms".

It would be single most radical change to an 80’s property in history. They race swapped Grayskull and Andra. Smith has already shown he’s “shaking stuff up.” This is a massive vanity project for him. Based on traded looks between Teela and Andra I think the showrunners are hinting Teela is gay. Why not go the extra mile and have assume her "true form"?

That's how the second half of the season concludes. You heard it here first.

0reser0 07-26-2021 08:46 AM
How can a 2002 show be "ruined 4evah!" just because statues from that show was released? That doesn't make any sense at all. It's like going to your favorite restaurant and then you throw a tantrum to the manager that you will not eat in that restaurant anymore all because your hated rival eats there too.

And speaking of toys, I'll just get a He-Man figure and ignore the rest of this line.

IzzyTipsy 07-26-2021 10:03 AM
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Originally Posted by firmpulse (Post 876464)
SPOILERS

Here’s my theory. Adam is dead. Like dead dead. Because he can’t go back to Preternia so he proceeds into oblivion. Skeletor gets beat. Teela takes the sword. Teela becomes the new He-Man. Like she ACTUALLY transitions into a man when she takes the power of Grayskull.

Transformation and “true forms” are a massive theme in this iteration. Think back to the comment made about Adam in Preternia. He was the only hero that “chose his lesser form”. The other heroes chose their He-Forms because those in Preternia "choose their forms".

It would be single most radical change to an 80’s property in history. They race swapped Grayskull and Andra. Smith has already shown he’s “shaking stuff up.” This is a massive vanity project for him. Based on traded looks between Teela and Andra I think the showrunners are hinting Teela is gay. Why not go the extra mile and have assume her "true form"?

That's how the second half of the season concludes. You heard it here first.
So basically She-Ra all over again?

Harbinger 07-26-2021 10:12 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by firmpulse (Post 876464)
SPOILERS

Here’s my theory. Adam is dead. Like dead dead. Because he can’t go back to Preternia so he proceeds into oblivion. Skeletor gets beat. Teela takes the sword. Teela becomes the new He-Man. Like she ACTUALLY transitions into a man when she takes the power of Grayskull.

Transformation and “true forms” are a massive theme in this iteration. Think back to the comment made about Adam in Preternia. He was the only hero that “chose his lesser form”. The other heroes chose their He-Forms because those in Preternia "choose their forms".

It would be single most radical change to an 80’s property in history. They race swapped Grayskull and Andra. Smith has already shown he’s “shaking stuff up.” This is a massive vanity project for him. Based on traded looks between Teela and Andra I think the showrunners are hinting Teela is gay. Why not go the extra mile and have assume her "true form"?

That's how the second half of the season concludes. You heard it here first.
This would not surprise me in the least.

firmpulse 07-26-2021 11:43 AM
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Originally Posted by IzzyTipsy (Post 876474)
So basically She-Ra all over again?
Teela would not remain a woman. She would transition into a man by the Power of Grayskull. She would be He-Man.

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Originally Posted by Harbinger (Post 876476)
This would not surprise me in the least.
Unfortunately, me neither. You know how it goes...these jokers take beloved properties and just murder them (Rian. Johnson. Hates. Star Wars). It would be incredibly radical and I can see Kevin Smith doing it for that reason alone. Pretty easy to imagine that round table pitch/planning meeting.

webz 07-26-2021 11:54 AM
I’ve watched the 5 episodes now 3 times each. I REALLY love the direction Kevin Smith went. It honors the 22min stupid (but lovable) Filmmation toy commercials, the original pack-in comics (first comics I had as a kid. Helped me learn to read), and the early reader books. It’s the animated version of the MOTUC line… it honors the original, but takes the original and beefs it up to a 9.5. I’m completely jazzed about season 1 part II now.

Teela is not being groomed to become He-Man. She’s finally hinted at her true power since the original toy… the next Sorceress! He-Man won’t stay dead. If Camp Cretaceous is anything to go by, He-Man will have 4 seasons before the end of the year. Lol

I was very sick recently and couldn’t move a muscle so I binge watched 80’s He-Man cartoons. Figured it’d be good prep for the new cartoon starting … those haven’t aged well at all. Even with 40 years worth of nostalgia, it was cringe worthy (coming from a guy who could watch season 1 of transformers every year and not feel bored for an instant).

This cartoon and the 200x cartoons are 10000x better. Yes, the filmmation started it all for many (myself included) but the He-Man franchise desperately needs a fresh coat of paint. Hopefully Netflix and Mattel keep this show going, but it’d be hard to do with a celebrity cast. Mark Hammill sticks with shows, but I’m not sure how committed SMG is to voice work.

Long may the new Masters reign!

RamenRider 07-26-2021 12:11 PM
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Originally Posted by webz (Post 876494)
Teela is not being groomed to become He-Man. She’s finally hinted at her true power since the original toy… the next Sorceress!
Yeah that / the "Goddess" is pretty much what I was thinking they were continuously hinting at when Duncan and the Sorceress wanted to tell Teela "something important" but were interrupted. I mean, wasn’t there some continuity where the Sorceress is Teela’s mother, and is herself named Teela as well?

Adam will become He-Man once again; Teela will be elevated into her true destiny. They can finally stand alongside each other as equals, no more secrets.

Boogieman4hire 07-26-2021 12:36 PM
I also figured on them hinting at the new Sorceress connection. Given those serpentine masks Teela and Andra were wearing when looking for that one gauntlet thing I was hoping to finally see her with the cobra headdress. Maybe they'll bring out the Goddess. You know, green Teela. I did find it weird that they made Preternia into some sort of Valhalla.

firmpulse 07-26-2021 12:39 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by webz (Post 876494)
Teela is not being groomed to become He-Man. She’s finally hinted at her true power since the original toy… the next Sorceress! He-Man won’t stay dead.
Honestly I hope you are right. However, I don't trust Kevin Smith fully. I can definitely see him doing something completely radical just for the sake of doing it. If Teela does become the next Sorceress I do not think she is going to be the same "type" as her mother. Maybe she becomes more of a Warrior Sorceress. Her dropping the warrior aspect of her persona seems unlikely.

I actually enjoyed the show. I watched it twice. The fight sequences were fantastic. I absolutely LOVE the Sword of Power's design in this iteration. The best yet.

I sincerely hope I am wrong. There is a tremendous amount of talk about transformation and true forms that is definitely foreshadowing something big. I certainly hope it is that Teela comes to inherit the power of The Sorceress from her mother. Scare Glow saw something that frightened him. Did you notice the three glowing bits of light on Teela's forehead at the conclusion of that confrontation? What did that represent?

Boogieman4hire 07-26-2021 12:42 PM
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Originally Posted by RamenRider (Post 876497)
Yeah that / the "Goddess" is pretty much what I was thinking they were continuously hinting at when Duncan and the Sorceress wanted to tell Teela "something important" but were interrupted. I mean, wasn’t there some continuity where the Sorceress is Teela’s mother, and is herself named Teela as well?

Adam will become He-Man once again; Teela will be elevated into her true destiny. They can finally stand alongside each other as equals, no more secrets.
Teela is Sorceress's daughter and sometimes she's also literally her clone. In other media it has also been hinted at that Man-at-Arms' brother Fisto was actually the father. Making Duncan her adoptive father, in reality her uncle. I actually also enjoyed the show. I'm not over the moon about it but it has a lot of good things.

Harbinger 07-26-2021 01:16 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by firmpulse (Post 876501)
Honestly I hope you are right. However, I don't trust Kevin Smith fully. I can definitely see him doing something completely radical just for the sake of doing it. If Teela does become the next Sorceress I do not think she is going to be the same "type" as her mother. Maybe she becomes more of a Warrior Sorceress. Her dropping the warrior aspect of her persona seems unlikely.

I actually enjoyed the show. I watched it twice. The fight sequences were fantastic. I absolutely LOVE the Sword of Power's design in this iteration. The best yet.

I sincerely hope I am wrong. There is a tremendous amount of talk about transformation and true forms that is definitely foreshadowing something big. I certainly hope it is that Teela comes to inherit the power of The Sorceress from her mother. Scare Glow saw something that frightened him. Did you notice the three glowing bits of light on Teela's forehead at the conclusion of that confrontation? What did that represent?
Scareglow got scared because someone found his search history. ;)


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