Originally Posted by webz (Post 921215)

Actually, oruku is the family name. Nagi was the older brother, saki the younger one. I am flipping through the pages of TMNT issue 1, and typing… ahem… Hamato Yoshi, Splinter’s owner, killed Nagi when he attempted to rape and murder the woman they both loved (kidnapping would not have her beaten, breast exposed, saying “if I cannot have her, no one will!”). In a fit of anger, Yoshi beat him to death. No challenge. Raw hatred. Shamed he let emotions overcome him, he and left for America with his love. Saki, Nagi’s younger brother, vowed vengeance on the coffin of his brother. Trained hard and quickly rose in the ranks of The Foot. Eventually, he was given a leadership position in the expansion of The Foot, taking them to New York City. It is there he adopts the name The Shredder, and devotes the Foot to a specialized organized crime protection racket. As “The Shredder” he kills Yoshi and his wife. Splinter (exceptionally long lived for a garden variety pet rat) was left homeless, and the rest is history….

Originally Posted by Dr Kain (Post 921226)

Yes, I know, I've read the Mirage Compendium. I was doing a basic, bare bones explanation to be quick and not give all of the spoilery details.

However, it never dawned on me that they were using the Japanese way of speaking names by putting the last name first, so thank you for that. In fact, the cartoons never said Oroku was his last name either.

Originally Posted by webz (Post 921242)

Cartoon is very inconsistent. Some episodes have Saki be his given name, but most have Saki as his last name, to not screw with the brains of western children. Biggest culprits are the episodes with Shredder’s mom Miyoko Saki and little brother Detective Kazuo Saki.