Originally Posted by webz (Post 266285)

Ooook... dunno what this has to do with Ultimate Venom.... since, well, last I saw, he was a hulking mass of costume. No trenchcoat. no T-Shirt. And for me, motivation plays a huge part on how much I like a character, especially if I am to believe it's worth it to the character to go up against the hero (s). Magneto is one of my favorite villains. He's got a goal, a belief, that sustains him to keep doing what he is doing. If Magneto didn't have his beliefs to anchor him, he'd not have lasted as one of Marvel's greatest villains. It also makes for better stories than just Magneto and Titanium man, and the Crimson Dynamo got together to rob the bank at a quarter to three in the main street. (high five to whomever gets the reference without google)

Venom's motivation is very shallow. Instead of a villain, Venom is basically the bitter ex-wife. Brock's motivation is even worse than the symbiote's. Brock lost a job coz he was a lazy arse and had no journalistic integrity. Even if he can somehow project the blame on Spidey, it's no way the type of thing that can foster a lifetime's murderous obsession.

Ultimate Brock, tho, is SLIGHTLY more complex. It was the suit that his father and Peter's father were testing when they died. It was the last thing they were working on. It was the only thing he had left of his parents. Here comes Peter, out of no where, and just like Peter's dad outshined Brock, Sr, Peter completes the Venom suit with minimal effort. Shortly after, Peter kills the suit, and erases everything that Eddie has lived for the last few years, as well as his family legacy... It's not much of a stronger case, but it is slightly better.