Actually, that's a very good point, since they were all former Valkyries.

Curiouser and Curiouser.

Has anyone bothered to read the junior novelization? I was at a Wal-Mart today and was leafing through it. From what I read (which wasn't much, just a few quick pages and the last page of the last chapter), they weren't named.

It isn't the Disir. The script was almost certainly finished well before the Disir ever appeared. Plus the Aliens clearly aren't all undead females in viking garb, and the Disir aren't dog-faced, nor do they ride around on laser sleds.

Beyond that, if these enemies on ANYTHING from the Thor mythos that's some "denizen of another realm" rather than outright aliens, it will ruin this entire movie for me. The Avengers shouldn't just be a Thor subplot.

Heres the pic of the movie badguys from the MU apprec. thread:
http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/4...gersnasty1.jpg
And the toy pics:
http://i1204.photobucket.com/albums/...s/IMG_2390.jpg

If it IS them they got seriously bright,and whats up with those helmets too?? They look very similar to Asgardians,and in my opinion a bit bland,not particularly dark or menacing like the movie version. (Though the movie versions do look like evil Valkyries!!)

Well, keep in mind no matter what comic race they are, I'm sure that like in all the movies some liberties are taken. So for the movie verse the Disir might be not just dead valkyries but dead Asgardians or the Chitari{?} might have a different look than they do in the Ult. Avengers cartoon. They may have even taken characteristics from more than one race and then call them something else. Really we'll just have to wait for now and see.

Yeah, Kinglouie731 already pointed that out. See my response to him two posts above yours. ;)

As to your other point, the Avengers were essentially created from a Thor subplot in the comics. Only in the comics, Loki didn't use an army to try to conquer the Earth (or whatever he's trying to do in the movie).

I had heard someone at a toy fare video interview in febuary slipped and said the aliens were the race that ORD was in Joss Whedon's run on Astonishing X-Men. Which would make since because they have only been created recently and by Whedon himself, so they would not be one of the Big alien races.

Those are Breakworldians. The problem with that theory is that the Breakworldians have no links to the Avengers whatsoever. They're enemies of the X-Men. They'd have no motivation to team up with Loki and attack New York City, other than just being a bunch of dicks.

Though that would be an entertaining movie, a bunch of a-hole aliens attack earth just because.

the figures look like a rejected covenant species.

Those guys only have three toes. O_o Black Widow looks pretty good though.

I'm thinking the toys don't even accurately reflect the movie due to mid-development tinkering by the studio.

The heavy rumor is that the aliens WERE supposed to be the Skrulls according to the script that leaked during the first week of filming, and that Marvel Studios went back and HEAVILY rewrote the movie after that happened, to include completely changing the identity of the alien invaders. (The Skrull involvement was further hinted at with the designs from a cancelled video game).

Licensors may have received the original designs, but due to production timelines, etc.... didn't have time to change them when the final changes were made.

Because yeah...those toys really don't resemble the screenshots at all.

not to also mention skrulls or very skrull looking characters being used for that avengers board game.

would love to see them pop up in the marvel movieverse someday. for sure will pick up that fury and widow. hope they even make it out in abundance.

How about the Alpha Centarians? They are a little know race and have tried to cause problems on the Earth before.

I'm in the camp about it being the Disir.

Also, articulated ankles!
And about time we got to see the new Nick Fury figure!

That could be why they were made and used in the comics since Marvel likes synergy. As for other changes, well it's the movie-verse. In it thor is an alien from another dimension anyway, so it's not like it would be completely unheard of for them to adapt the ideas into something slightly different for the movies. Could be Hela's army too though. It's definitely something tied to Loki being stuck between realms briefly.

As for the skrulls, they've been tied up in the Fantastic Four rights anyway. So while they could have been an early idea, they could have never been used.

seems like fury is using first avenger winter soldier legs.

The Disir's WHOLE THING is that they're undead Valkyries of Bor. Movie-verse or not, if they're male and on rocket sleds they're not Disir. That doesn't make any sense.

I'm sick of people saying they are the Disir. Anyone who says so obviously hasn't spent much time reading Thor the past couple of years.

Uhh sorry....but Loki's army is NOT the Disir. The Disir were chicks, there was only about 13 of them, and they were cursed cannibal maidens of Bor. The Disir don't need ships to move around in the atmosphere either, as they are bascially ghosts.

The creatures in the movie are technologically advanced, and look more like the Chitari. They also for the most part, look to be the male species of an alien race.

If that's true, they've been radicly re-designed from their comics appearance- which is possible, but making something completely new and then calling it the Badoon is no different than just making it up from whole cloth....and in a movie with so much already going on, it's unlikely they'll get much development- or even lines!

I wonder what rationale they'd have to follow Loki anyway?

As to the Disir, they'e been in comics since 2010's Kerion Gillen wrote them for the Seige event- long before any Avengers script was likely finalized...then he took the ball and ran with it, making hem copelling characters.
http://marvel.wikia.com/New_Mutants_Vol_3_11

So the Villain figs and Black Widow...have wrist and ankle articulation?

It's just going to be a ruined movie version of the Kree or Skrulls.. I'm calling it..

In the movie-verse, they could just be fallen asgardians that were also trapped between realms, or any number of similiarities.

It's not a far reach really. Fallen valkyries would still be fallen asgardians, and as I said the movie-verse already did change Thor from a god to dimensional alien that norse legends were based on. It's not going to be 100% comic accurate, but none of the movies have been.


It's also not going to be the skrulls, because as mentioned before they are tied up in the Fantastic 4 rights.
The Disir make the most sense when you add up the facts (minus not being female, but again, movie not comics). They were created while the film was still being finalized, marvel likes synergy, they are in the comics, they have norse ties, and they are trapped inbetween realms/dimensions.


The only other clue we have right now is that these "aliens" have 6 fingers. The toys have two thumbs. Early concepts may have had them as a form of asgardian skrulls though(the toy heads are very pointy eared). The toy and movie armor is very Thor like. Which btw, again Thor is an alien in this so you can't count on everything movie norse being accurate to the comics.

The Alien baddies don't have wrist articulation it seems. They have ankle, maybe double knees, the swivel ball leg joint, then the normal avengers line arms and heads. Black widow looks like she has ankle articulation too, but no signs of wrist.

You really should have read the entire thread before posting this reply. We've moved well past that old post you quoted. I've even said in a subsequent post that I agree that it could not be the Disir as they appeared in the comics. :rolleyes

However, I do like Snow's reasoning that they could have used the Disir as a basis and changed some of the details for the film, like expanding the definition to fallen Asgardians (not just Valkyries) or even that it's Hela's army of the undead.

Also, part of movie Thor's background in addition to being an extra-dimensional alien is that the Asgardians are also highly advanced, technologically-speaking. So much so that their powers/tech look like magic to humans (even in the modern day).

tall aliens with pointy ears in gold armor? Clearly its the Kilwrathi. They need Mark Hamil and Freddie Prince JR. not the Avengers.
I wouldnt get too worked up over the id of the aliens. Even when they have a name it will be their first appearance in this continuity. Im sure Wheddon decided on what he wanted from the aliens then applied the name.

Note that these baddies have three toes. That anatomical feature greatly reduces what they could be.

Also keep in mind the differences between comic Abomination and movie Abomination. These could very well be the movie creators' idea of Skrull.

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I think they are Chitauri.