I'm curious to see who takes over the Uncanny X-Force book if it actually continues. Marvel already announced Cable and X-Force with the team of Domino, Forge, Dr. Nemisis, Colossus and of course Cable.

However, there is a teaser titled "Killers" beginning in January, which would make sense since Remender ends his run on this book in December, that could be Uncanny X-Force continued with a new creative team. I just don't know who could take this book over and succeed the way Remender did, he's been brilliant with this series.

What are your guys' thoughts?

Uncanny is over with issue #35 totally sucks. I may go digital after AVX...I may get Cables and give it a run. Interesting team though, Colossus really? And Forge who's been on the back burner for a long time, last I read of him was he went kind of psycho with the whole Ghost Box fiasco.
Remender and Noto are Final Executioners for "Uncanny X-Force" - Comic Book Resources

I stand corrected, 2 X-Force titles cool.
http://www.comicsalliance.com/2012/0...ies-on-taking/
Interesting line up though. "Psylocke, Storm, Puck and Spiral."
Not to diss Puck, but WTF has he been an X-Man?
"CA: When I think of the most powerful X-Men characters, Puck is definitely one that always comes to mind."

I'm sorry, I might eat my words later, but as of now I dont feel like I will continue this series with that weak ass roster, although there are characters yet to be announced apparently. F*** Puck! Never liked him or cared about him definitely don't want to see him on X-Force but I'm sure some people might enjoy it.

To be honest the most surprising new member to me is Storm. After all the shit she gave Wolverine about a hit squad and now here she is? I don't need more hypocrisy in my comics. Since I have no idea what will happen that results in this weak ass roster so far, I will just refrain from buying any issues until I read reviews. Until then I'll enjoy what's left of Remender's run.

Is there a roster up yet for both teams?

Yeah, just follow the links Exodus posted. As far as Uncanny X-Force goes though only a few members have been revealed so far: Psylocke, Storm, Puck and Spiral.

Apparently the first villain Bishop.

I'm not excited about Remender leaving UXF. I'll pick it up just to see what Bishop's been up too. We haven't seen him 2 years or so.

I'm assuming Cable & X-Force is replacing New Mutants which is being canceled after issue #50. I wonder if we'll see any of the New Mutants join up with Cable?

Isn't Puck dead? I thought all the members of Alpha Flight, expect Sasquatch, were murdered after M-Day? I do remember hearing that they might get revived but never saw anything.


It never sat right with me when they turned Bishop into a villain.

Ya it's weird how they're just grabbing these heroes and throwing them together, even though they shouldn't be.
As for Puck, he crawled out of Hell in Wolverine's book when Wolvy got sent to hell, so ya that's how he came back to life...but ya not into Puck either. And yes Bishop as a villain weird. He was stuck in the very far future last we saw of him.

I was joking around with the guys at my LCS and I asked them what they thought it would be like if Bishop showed up at the end of AvX and said, "I was right."

Are they going to beat him?

What irks me the most about Storm is that she is a character who has the potential to kill on a global scale, yet its because she doesn't that makes her a character with purpose and self control. She has always opposed killing and was among the most vocal from the X-Men to condemn the actions of X-Force.

Also consider that X-Force is a black ops team who is supposed to operate off the radar and then realize that Storm is about as loud as it gets with her abilities, it will be interesting to see how the writer incorporates her power set.

As for Bishop, I remember Chris Yost answering a fan question about why they made him a villain and he said Villain is purely a matter of perspective amongst the fans with him. He didn't believe Bishop to be a villain because in his future he saw the results the Phoenix had on Mutants and so he believes he is acting to save mutant kind from an apocalyptic future, yet the X-Men and Cable didn't and now Cyclops is *Spoiler*










Dark Phoenix.




So...was Bishop really in the wrong? If anything he feels betrayed by his own kind for not listening to him. I think its an interesting angle and it is also among the reasons the X-Force series and Messiah storyline was so good to me at the time.

That's so true about Bishop, heck he should be in X-Force and not Storm. He was trying to do what the Uncanny X-Force did to the young Apocalypse even though he was a child and offed him, although granted Fantomex cloned him afterwards. Same could be said kind of for Hope, when Bishop was hunting her down.

Great analogy, I don't see Apocalypse as any greater a threat than Dark Phoenix. It all comes down to: my future > yours from the perspective of the characters involved in the stories.

Heck if I recall in the animated series Cable had to come back to stop Bishop from saving his future because it destroyed his. At some point these stories need to stop screwing around with time travel and make a actual compelling story about them dealing with the actual events in their respective time that resulted and have them make the most out of it.

I'm tired of the retcons that often result from these types of stories which often produce zero consequences at the end. At least the recent Age of Apocalypse series deals with that universe, mostly.

I think that says it all to me. What would drive her to X-Force or is X-Force done killing maybe?



I think the motivations for Bishop made sense and all but he was one of my favorite X-Men. I just think they made him go too far with the things he did to get at Hope. Also, he left the details very vague on what Hope did, when, and why. I know that it a method for the writers to avoid backing themselves into a corner but it still didn't help him make his case. If they hadn't taken Bishop over that edge I think he would have been perfect for X-Force.



I hear you there. They have so many possible future timelines that none of them count or are really threatening. I do hate the device of using a big yearly event as an excuse to change some things around instead of writing those changes into the story in a natural way. It usually just ends up with characters being disrespected and a story that doesn't ring true, as with AvX. Usually the climax is a complete let down anyway. It's like the editors decide on something like Marvel Now and what they want out of it then come up with something quick to get them there.

Agree with both, too much time traveling on assumptions that this person will make the world dark and so forth...Heck wasn't Gambit branded a traitor too in the comics and 90s X-Men cartoon series? (sorry forget if it was one or both) And he turned out to be a ok still....Just keep writing the present!
Will be interesting to see how Uncanny X-Force turns out and the rest of the X-Titles after AVX....

Gambit was long thought to be "the witness" from the future where the X-Men were betrayed by one of their own. It was clearly an old Remy and it was insinuated that the Witness himself was the traitor. I think it ended up being that the X-Men were betrayed by Hope or something and Gambit was a good guy. IDK, they've gone back and forth and him several times and I think they copped out on that whole traitor mystery anyway.

It's too bad Marvel doesn't try to stick with these to give it closure in a sense.

I think it was only touched on in a Bishop one-shot unless I am wrong. I think it was that Hope lost control and killed the X-Men and bunch of others, not of purpose though. That is supposed to be a traitor? I do hate when these things start out great and end weaksauce. Days of Future Past at least contributed a fair amount to things that happened in real time.

To me, UXF will end when Remender leaves and thats it. His run will go down was one of the best X related runs on any title ever, possibly even the best of all time. (Not exaggerating) No other roster, writer, story, etc. will ever be able to top or even possibly come close IMO. It was just that good.

Totally agree there. Hopefully these 2 new X-Force teams semi live up to it.

I'll never say never but I really agree that this run will be something people hold up high for years and years to come. He did such a great job taking what the previous X-Force title had done and cutting out the junk.

Do you guys think Fantomex is going to stay dead? I guess it still remains to be seen if he is actually dead but it sure seems like it. Comic book deaths never seem to stick because someone comes along who wants to write that character so they just bring them back, often with little or no explanation.

I'm actually of the opinion that Fantomex isn't actually dead and that the whole sex scene between him and Mystique (posing as Psylocke), as well as having his heart torn out by the skinless man, was alllllll Misdirection. I believe he misdirected Mystique into believing she actually succeeded in drugging him and has been misdirecting the entire brotherhood to see what they're up to and waiting for the right opportunity to strike a blow that will end the conflict for good.

I also believe that if I believe this enough, it won't actually happen and the potential for serious retcon power that Fantomex's misdirection possesses will be avoided and this series will remain perfect and have suffered serious casualties of war with prolonged consequences.

is it true they are ending this series?

It would be easy to believe that for me except for what happened with EVA. I feel like he has to be dead but maybe EVA can revive him.

It's true that Rick Remender's run on this series is ending in December with issue #35 which will conclude the "Final Execution" story arc. However, the series itself will continue with Sam Humphries (current writer on Ultimate Comics: Ultimates) with a new roster that so far only has Psylocke, Storm, Puck and Spiral as characters who have been revealed to be on the team.

Since Puck was most recently dead and in Hell, his participation on this team makes sense even though I don't particularly care for him. Spiral has always been a very powerful villain for the X-Men and her portal powers are much stronger than any version of Nightcrawler (Ok at least 616 and AoA) and his bamfs.

Storm is easily the most powerful...but I'm curious to see what sets her on the killing path. Does Black Panther get killed in AvX#12? Hmmmmmmmm...

And why do we believe this? Only because that's what Eva told the team. For all we know she could do whatever Fantomex wanted her to do at his own command...hell for all we know he was hittin EVA in that form before Betsy came along. *Shudders* lol.