Originally Posted by Condiment King (Post 909935)

Eternia cost $550, plus $50 shipping,

Originally Posted by TheBlueMarvel (Post 909941)

Why are detractors continuing to comment on this thread? It’s done. You won; the lab has all but officially failed. Apparently, victory in this case wasn’t sweet enough of a reward. I personally can’t wait to see a HasLab Blackbird for twice the amount of this one and the pretzels X-fans will contort themselves into to rationalize why it’ll be worth it.

Originally Posted by T0ySick (Post 909937)

Eternia isn't just worth it becuase people like it and that makes it worth it. For the amount of plastic used and tooling cost alone the price is justified.

I have no interest in it. But I know its worth what they are charging.

Originally Posted by firmpulse (Post 909954)

Rationalization is a state of being for X-Fans. With the exception of House/Powers of X (but they even fucked that up in the end) those books have been utter shit since the mid-90s. In the X-World days of the week are tallied by character death. Jean Grey dead? Tuesday! Logan? Wednesday! :D:D:D

Originally Posted by GizmoTron (Post 909955)

Yeah, it's really not, but this is literally the only way most MOTU fans are ever going to get one which is really why it succeeded. When you have a built in fanbase that wants something then (to a point) price doesn't matter.

Originally Posted by Condiment King (Post 909943)

If we are all being honest with each other, is any of the stuff we buy really worth it? Probably not in most cases, take Super7’s Thundertank, no way that’s worth $500, did I consider buying it? Yeah I did, am I still considering it? sadly yes I am, my only justifications is the thing is huge and it’s the freaking THUNDERTANK.

Hey look, over 5 thousand people thought this car was worth backing at one point, well over 4 thousand still do, but something tells me that Hasbro themselves felt this was lacking, hence the Mephisto fig being locked behind it. I won’t comment on this again, I don’t want to rub people up the wrong way.

Originally Posted by Dr Kain (Post 909950)

No offense, but what does Eternia have to do with Hasbro? That's from Mattel and a Mattel created property. They aren't paying licensing costs.

Secondly, I find the fact that Mattel is charging $550 and then ANOTHER $50 for shipping to be insane. The cost of shipping should just be included in the price of the item. Make it $600 shipped.

That's like those ebay sellers who will sell an auction for like $1000 but then still want to charge a shipping cost. No, at that price include it in the asking price.

Finally, I don't give a crap about Eternia because I don't collect He-Man. And honestly, even if I did, $600 is way overpriced for a playset.



Never going to deny that, as you are right.



My issue is not thinking it is overpriced, it is the sheer arrogance of people like Anthony's Customs that think they know Hasbro's own inner workings better than the people that are employed there.

None of us know what it exactly costs to make the car. Hell, even at $350 Hasbro could still be taking a loss, which is why they needed 9,000 to go ahead with it. That could be their breaking even point. Or maybe it could be that 5,000 is their breaking even point so they needed almost double that to justify the cost of production.

The fact that some random Youtuber thinks he knows better is laughable and this is coming from another Youtuber.

Originally Posted by TheBlueMarvel (Post 909960)

You don't have to refrain from commenting, it’s not really an issue for me, or, I imagine, any of the other people that genuinely wanted Mephisto, Robbie, and whomever else they had planned. My point, if there is one, is more about there being nothing left to really say. And if the people that actually wanted this shit aren’t belaboring the issue, then what sense is there in those who’ve been opposed from the start continuing to beat this same horse. For example, I think that Eternia playset is complete trash and looks goofy as hell. It absolutely is not worth the money given its preschool design sensibilities and to boot, it also looks like that same cheap plastic they used to make those green cobblestone tiles and stands years ago. Those things cracked and split with the normal attrition of seasons spent in INDOOR storage. But I’m not going to go over to the playset thread and trash it, or the people that want it. To do so would be a waste of my time considering I see zero value in the set and view it as a non-factor and unworthy of my attention.

Originally Posted by Condiment King (Post 909963)

I’m not trying to sound like a dick here my guy, truly I’m not, but you’re still not getting my point, I’m probably not just being clear enough, I’m not trying to compare this to Eternia, i mention Eternia as a rebuttal to your comment ‘if people won’t pay $350 for this they sure won’t pay X amount for a Blackbird’ (not an exact quote), which seems to imply you think people aren’t willing to part with that amount of cash for a toy, which obviously isn’t true, they just aren’t willing to part with it for this car, or at least not enough people are.

I completely agree Eternia is overpriced, and they really should have just made it $600 and had ‘free shipping’ so to speak, I live in the U.K. and if I wanted it, I’d be paying £800, now that’s a joke.

Im not going to pretend to know the inner workings of Hasbro, or how much the production on this thing would be, but my gut tells me it’s overpriced, maybe not if it reached all tiers, but tiers are supposed to be bonuses and not reflect the initial cost.

The only ‘toy’ YouTuber I currently watch is ‘Mad Hatter Review’, pretty funny guy and he isn’t getting stuff sent to him for free, so his reviews are fairly honest.

No hard feelings hey, I’m not trying to make enemies on here, I just wanna talk about toys with like minded souls.

Originally Posted by GizmoTron (Post 909975)

My gut from the get go was saying going with Ghost Rider for a HasLab was risky, but that price point reveal was just a punch to it.

Truth is I think most of our guts agree with yours. Yeah, given the limited nature of HasLab and the lack of retailer backing power it probably would cost Hasbro enough to produce this thing to warrant the $350 price tag, but that all doesn't change the fact the value doesn't feel like it's here for most fans.

And there's probably a few reasons people have come to that same conclusion, but it's clear the over-whelming majority just aren't interested (no matter how many "most wanted" figures they add in through the tiers).

Originally Posted by Condiment King (Post 909964)

Yeah to be fair I did reignite this thread, but only to comment on the falling numbers, it’s an interesting and still ongoing topic dude, I’d try taking to my wife about it, but I know she wouldn’t give a shit, so I come here. I still see chatter about the Rancor and Reva’s lightsaber, this Haslab is no different. I’m not here to trash the thing, its a cool enough car, and Mephisto and Goblin Queen are decent looking figures, and I would NEVER trash the people that want it, I get the desire, you think I don’t want things that are overpriced? You think I’ve never fed a scalper?

I agree with you on Eternia to an extent, I don’t think it’s trash, but it is overpriced, and I’m not into the old school toy thing anyway, I was there the first time around back in the 80’s, I don’t need to be there again, but I appreciate what Origins is trying to do, and obviously lots of people dig it, and the Eternia playset has been a wet dream of some MOTU fans for decades at this point, so good luck to them.

Originally Posted by Condiment King (Post 909991)

I think there is an argument that all these crowd funding toy projects are overpriced, I get the production costs, and I of course expect the company to want a profit, so I guess it boils down to the project itself.
I completely agree that Ghost Rider was a risky Haslab, especially a Robbie Reyes one, I’m not even sure if a cheaper price point would have made it a success, I remember as a kid I desired a huge Sentinel to go with my X-Men figures so bad, I even recall feeling that way about a Galactus figure too, I think all successful projects so far have managed to tap into that lifelong desire, Jabbas barge, the Hiss Tank, Eternia, even Super7 managed to flog a Thundertank for $500!

When all is said and done though, I think it’s just a shame, it’s a shame the fans that want this probably won’t be getting it, it’s a shame the fans desperate for a Mephisto figure are back to square one, it’s a shame for Hasbro who will have already spent a bit of money on promoting this. Let’s hope the next Haslab has that wow factor and can unite collectors in an ‘this is awesome’ kind of way.

Originally Posted by TheBlueMarvel (Post 909998)

No worries, I don’t view anything you’ve offered in the way of comments as offensive. However, you’ve potentially read the thread through and should be able to see that there’s been a vociferous few that have done nothing but shit-talk this project making one wonder why they would participate so very often if they don’t give two shits about the Lab itself. By the way, I had a laugh (with you, I hope ;)) at the scenario with your wife. I only choose women that share a healthy interest in my interests, but that’s not always easy to come by and I’ve been very fortunate in that regard throughout my life.

We don’t line up on how much of a conversational point this HasLab remains to be, as the Marvel Legends team itself seems content to let this trickle away with nary a whimper and I’m inclined to allow them to do so. There are but so many ways to say, “Hasbro fucked up” before you find yourself saying, “up fucked Hasbro.” The numbers are going to keep falling. They know. We know. Nuff said, the countdown to zero includes no prize for anyone…unless Hasbro’s official failure brings some sense of joy.

About the Eternia playset, I was a kid of the 80’s as well and MOTU designs quickly gave way to my interest in other action figures with more realistic proportions and conveyances that look like they might actually work, or at least fit comfortably the figures for which they’d been developed. Nostalgia doesn’t drive me in that regard; I’m not interested in the past being revisited anachronistically; I want properties updated to take advantage of modern sensibilities/manufacturing techniques/standards while also reflecting the essence of whatever the license might be. I used to enjoy 5POA and Playdoh Playsets, but I’d never buy those things now out of nostalgia because my tastes have changed dramatically and this transition happened a long time ago.



All toys are luxuries, in my opinion, whether they are $20, or $200. All of these HasLabs are risky, yet some act like these Labs are money printing machines designed exclusively to bilk consumers with zero potential downside to the manufacturer. Personally, I obviously think these labs are pretty cool as opportunities to get some spectacular shit; I’ve 4 Sentinels (had 5, but gave one away to a close buddy) and I just received 5 Galactus Labs. They’re pricey, I can afford them, and I knew what I was doing when I bought them. In a year, or two, I’ll sell the surplus and more than recoup my money spent using the profit to further propel my collection. I’ve been buying expensive toys since I was a kid. My tastes in Godaikin robots and everything Japanese as a child quickly had my parents rethinking the token-economy they’d set up with me as an incentive for doing well in school. At 14 I secured a worker’s permit and, of course, my first job was at a mom & pop toystore in my hometown. I haven’t looked back since, working from 14 years old to make sure I’m in a position to enjoy at least some of the aspects I dig in life. As you alluded to, none of these toys are actually worth what’s being asked. If you can’t eat it for sustenance, use it as a tool to fix something, or barter with it in a meaningful way, it’s an amenity.

The idea that there is some sort parity between toy cost and actual value is a myth I disabused myself of even as a child. What can happen, though, depending on your taste in toys, is that you’ll nab something that ends up being a collector’s item that accrues in value exponentially. I genuinely believe that Hasbro is offering these sorts of opportunities with their HasLabs. However, depending on the dial-up, consumers will be fickle. I do worry that HasLabs will go the way of the dodo once Hasbro filters through the fallout from these failures and determines this is no longer worth the effort and potential bad social-media footprint given the spectator sport it has become and the inclusion of bad-faith actors who never had any intention to follow though on support. I don’t believe these HasLabs have achieved profitability, nor do I think they constitute a significant money-making arm of what Hasbro does in the big scheme of things. I simply hope we reach the point of a getting a Blackbird, so I can make some of those X-Fanatic toy-monies.

Originally Posted by TheBlueMarvel (Post 909998)

No worries, I don’t view anything you’ve offered in the way of comments as offensive. However, you’ve potentially read the thread through and should be able to see that there’s been a vociferous few that have done nothing but shit-talk this project making one wonder why they would participate so very often if they don’t give two shits about the Lab itself. By the way, I had a laugh (with you, I hope ;)) at the scenario with your wife. I only choose women that share a healthy interest in my interests, but that’s not always easy to come by and I’ve been very fortunate in that regard throughout my life.

We don’t line up on how much of a conversational point this HasLab remains to be, as the Marvel Legends team itself seems content to let this trickle away with nary a whimper and I’m inclined to allow them to do so. There are but so many ways to say, “Hasbro fucked up” before you find yourself saying, “up fucked Hasbro.” The numbers are going to keep falling. They know. We know. Nuff said, the countdown to zero includes no prize for anyone…unless Hasbro’s official failure brings some sense of joy.

About the Eternia playset, I was a kid of the 80’s as well and MOTU designs quickly gave way to my interest in other action figures with more realistic proportions and conveyances that look like they might actually work, or at least fit comfortably the figures for which they’d been developed. Nostalgia doesn’t drive me in that regard; I’m not interested in the past being revisited anachronistically; I want properties updated to take advantage of modern sensibilities/manufacturing techniques/standards while also reflecting the essence of whatever the license might be. I used to enjoy 5POA and Playdoh Playsets, but I’d never buy those things now out of nostalgia because my tastes have changed dramatically and this transition happened a long time ago.



All toys are luxuries, in my opinion, whether they are $20, or $200. All of these HasLabs are risky, yet some act like these Labs are money printing machines designed exclusively to bilk consumers with zero potential downside to the manufacturer. Personally, I obviously think these labs are pretty cool as opportunities to get some spectacular shit; I’ve 4 Sentinels (had 5, but gave one away to a close buddy) and I just received 5 Galactus Labs. They’re pricey, I can afford them, and I knew what I was doing when I bought them. In a year, or two, I’ll sell the surplus and more than recoup my money spent using the profit to further propel my collection. I’ve been buying expensive toys since I was a kid. My tastes in Godaikin robots and everything Japanese as a child quickly had my parents rethinking the token-economy they’d set up with me as an incentive for doing well in school. At 14 I secured a worker’s permit and, of course, my first job was at a mom & pop toystore in my hometown. I haven’t looked back since, working from 14 years old to make sure I’m in a position to enjoy at least some of the aspects I dig in life. As you alluded to, none of these toys are actually worth what’s being asked. If you can’t eat it for sustenance, use it as a tool to fix something, or barter with it in a meaningful way, it’s an amenity.

The idea that there is some sort parity between toy cost and actual value is a myth I disabused myself of even as a child. What can happen, though, depending on your taste in toys, is that you’ll nab something that ends up being a collector’s item that accrues in value exponentially. I genuinely believe that Hasbro is offering these sorts of opportunities with their HasLabs. However, depending on the dial-up, consumers will be fickle. I do worry that HasLabs will go the way of the dodo once Hasbro filters through the fallout from these failures and determines this is no longer worth the effort and potential bad social-media footprint given the spectator sport it has become and the inclusion of bad-faith actors who never had any intention to follow though on support. I don’t believe these HasLabs have achieved profitability, nor do I think they constitute a significant money-making arm of what Hasbro does in the big scheme of things. I simply hope we reach the point of a getting a Blackbird, so I can make some of those X-Fanatic toy-monies.

Originally Posted by Dolemite (Post 910160)

Dropped to 4,838. This HasLab is doomed.

Originally Posted by Boogieman4hire (Post 910192)

l made my peace with this a couple of weeks ago. Sucks that Robbie likely won't make it but there's plus sides. As per usual when you collect there is ALWAYS something to buy. I was tired of the mortification of whether or not he'd make it so sadly I dropped out. I feel like even if there is the last minute surge we're not getting the stretch goals. At least not all of them, and Mephisto is my giant ass panda. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xwoj2i6G5ZM But cancelling has cleared up money for some wants. I finally got a Dick Tracy Playmates car which has been on my list for years, the Jada Toys Creature from the Black Lagoon, a few of those Amazon deals on Marvel legends, and I'm halfway on building Ursa Major. I was just going to try and skip the wave but the thought of not having him in my collection was.... unbearable.

Originally Posted by T0ySick (Post 910189)

And a rip off

Originally Posted by Dr Kain (Post 910200)

Except, not.

I have no interest in it because I don't care about Robbie, but people would have gotten a 1:12 scaled car with excessively detail interiors, optional ways to display it, lights, and some cool figures to boot.

Originally Posted by Condiment King (Post 910530)

Ok, we can pretty soon put this Haslab behind us, but I have just seen something on the pulse site that made me think of discussions on here regarding the possibility of a Blackbird, Hasbro currently have a 19 inch auto transforming Optimus Prime available for a whopping thousand pounds, it’s not a Haslab, not a crowd fund in any way, it’s just there, you want it then you order it. If they can offer this, they can offer a Blackbird

Originally Posted by GizmoTron (Post 910533)

It's less a question of price and more a question of market. There's probably enough techy types out there that would be interested in a self-changing Transformer, but I have doubts that there's enough Legends fans interested in the Blackbird to shell out the cash for such a project.

Originally Posted by ThorOdinson123 (Post 910534)

Ding Dong the Haslab is dead



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