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VashTS 01-16-2015 11:41 AM
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Originally Posted by TheBlueMarvel (Post 584344)
That would be nice, man. Honestly, I have been curious about the fig. I've picked it up on many occasions, but it never made it home with me. I'm also curious about your collection and have noticed many of your BST Toy Biz treasures!



I know you didn't direct this to me, but your comment piqued my interest and makes for a good discussion. I definitely agree with you about the fluid nature of Marvel characters (or any comic pantheon: DC, Image, etc...). A phenomenon that only picks up speed as characters gain popularity/fans and evolve beyond their origins. That said, I also think the foundation/origin of a hero (or villain) is important when understanding the character as a whole.

I'd like to borrow one of your examples, if you don’t mind. Wolverine, while being one of the most iconic X-men, still has strong ties to the Hulk. Wolverine was a great foil for the Hulk considering that they are both essentially monsters, that just happen to do heroic things. This relationship has been played up by Marvel throughout the history of the characters in spite of the dramatically different directions the two have gone in since their first encounter. The Hulk vs 'toon (one of my fav Marvel animations) touched on this original relationship. The two have a shared moment (on the roof of a building) in the Infinity Gauntlet with Warlock even confirming their psychological connection and similarity in temperament. I can’t even begin to recall all of the times Wolvie and Banner have fought and touched upon the “kindred spirts” quality to their relationship. I tend to start at the beginning when trying to conceptualize the ethos behind these heroes/villains and I believe origins to be very important to the fundamental understanding of any character. I know I’m barking up a different tree than what you were getting at, but what you wrote stirred these thoughts …

About Marvel Studios vs Fox/Sony/the world (?); it’s all above my pay grade and I’m still scratching my head. I thought this licensing stuff was germane only in the case of movies. Then I find out that Surfer will be replaced by Beta Ray in the Planet Hulk ‘toon ; another all-time fav Marvel animation of mine that would have been even more satisfying had Surfer made it into the work. I wouldn’t actually care as much if these licensing issues were isolated to the films (I’m not very invested in the movies – I believe ‘toons can be better from a budget and casting perspective, but that’s another discussion), but to think I might not get another Surfer fig because Fox won’t relinquish their hold on all Kirby FF related properties makes me cringe. It seems like these squabbles are spilling over into ancillary subsets of comic culture and I’m aggravated by that fact…
I did not know that they we replacing Surfer. But i find people, and from what i gather in your statement, blaming Fox. I actually think Fox is doing nothing wrong. It's all Disney. I enjoy every studio s version of heroes as the differences help drive competition or so it should.

It's up to us to put the onus on Disney. They are the ones punishing the fans,not Fox or Sony. Disney getting marvel is the cause in reality.

VashTS 01-16-2015 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted by jwyss234 (Post 584045)
Mystique got canned because Jennifer Lawrence declined to let them use her likeness. It happens sometimes with figures. NECA had to work really hard to get Sigourney Weaver's approval of the Ripley figure before she would agree to let them user her likeness.
I know that's what they said...but may not be true considering the Watcher got canned. Simply putting 2 and 2 together.

warmachine6 01-16-2015 11:53 AM
Batroc is being released !!!
According to This Link

TheBlueMarvel 01-16-2015 12:12 PM
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Originally Posted by VashTS (Post 584362)
I did not know that they we replacing Surfer. But i find people, and from what i gather in your statement, blaming Fox. I actually think Fox is doing nothing wrong. It's all Disney. I enjoy every studio s version of heroes as the differences help drive competition or so it should.

It's up to us to put the onus on Disney. They are the ones punishing the fans,not Fox or Sony. Disney getting marvel is the cause in reality.
Yeah, Vash....the 'Planet Hulk' creative team cited "licensing issues" as their reason for using Beta Ray rather than Surfer. I only suspect (no hard or concrete evidence) this licensing issue with Fox to also be the culprit for the absence of a revamped Surfer fig. As I mentioned, the legalities of this matter elude me.

I can dig what you are saying regarding ascribing blame to the appropriate party (ies). However, as far as onus and responsibility are concerned, I think there is plenty to spread around. lol Marvel sold these rights when they were facing bankruptcy years back. This all occurred well before Disney acquired them. It's not Disney's fault that Marvel managed its business poorly and lacked the forward thinking to recognize that their movie rights held a great deal of intrinsic value. They were scrambling to remain solvent as a company and they bartered away their future. The money they received at the time, did not even stave off their eventual acquisition by a larger publisher....So, what was the point? Now, Marvel as a company is dealing with multiple levels of blow-back regarding some of their most storied intellectual properties. The good news is, Marvel's getting back many of said properties and companies like Sony seem to be willing to negotiate.

Edit: You may not want to 'quote' me, I tend to write a lot 'ish! ;) You may want to just use a "@TheBlueMarvel" to save people form my walls of text LOL

warmachine6 01-16-2015 12:48 PM
I'm still waiting for marvel or disney to do the same where there can be hulk vs wolvie film at least

Spyne98 01-16-2015 01:32 PM
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Originally Posted by warmachine6 (Post 584366)
batroc is being released !!!
According to this link
yes!!!!!!!!!!

VashTS 01-16-2015 01:39 PM
I may have to use at bluemarvel instead of quoting lol.

I enjoy long responses...it shows intelligence and caring about a subject.

I learned about Beta aged Surfer. I like letting things,new ideas are lamenting on them. I feel Disney is simply jerking the fan base...i mean using us as guinea pigs,so. We can get upset at Fox.

As a consumer i appreciate competition as it spurs innovation and keeps prices in check and is beneficial. But it pissrs me off that they are denying us properties that we want because of their war. I remember reading that marvel doesn't even want the FF mentioned in their offices or something to that extent.

TheBlueMarvel 01-16-2015 01:40 PM
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Originally Posted by warmachine6 (Post 584366)
Batroc is being released !!!
According to This Link
Great news!.....Tigershark must not be far behind! and that pesky (over-sized) Bulldozer!

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Originally Posted by warmachine6 (Post 584376)
I'm still waiting for marvel or disney to do the same where there can be hulk vs wolvie film at least
I would LOVE that!

warmachine6 01-16-2015 03:21 PM
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Originally Posted by TheBlueMarvel (Post 584387)
Great news!.....Tigershark must not be far behind! and that pesky (over-sized) Bulldozer!



I would LOVE that!
so would hugh jackman

VashTS 01-16-2015 05:26 PM
Batroc...is nice...but any news of a Legends Hulkbuster...you know the one everyone wants from the movie. The most sought after figure from the line.

I heard a rumor about it being in the 2nd avengers Wave, but I will not hold my breath as it's just rumors from different forums. But according to Marvelous, next up is the Thanos BAF and no Buster listed : (

ultraman zoffy 01-16-2015 05:39 PM
Even if a movie Hulkbuster was announced, it'd probably just be a repainted Mandroid BAF with slight sculpting changes, which certain folks here would probably decry as just another lazy effort from Hasbro.

Phantomcrow 01-16-2015 05:57 PM
A movie Hulkbuster would be nice, but lets face it, IT will not happen in legends scale. Our only hope is that Marvel Select have one coming. But until then I am happy with the old Toy Biz one.

advocatepinoy 01-16-2015 07:35 PM

TheBlueMarvel 01-16-2015 07:59 PM
Scarlet Witch is on point!

VashTS 01-16-2015 08:29 PM
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Originally Posted by ultraman zoffy (Post 584414)
Even if a movie Hulkbuster was announced, it'd probably just be a repainted Mandroid BAF with slight sculpting changes, which certain folks here would probably decry as just another lazy effort from Hasbro.
And we should!

A Madroid repaint has to do if they will not put the effort in. The Mandroid with tooling may work.

warmachine6 01-17-2015 12:29 AM
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Originally Posted by advocatepinoy (Post 584426)
yay
about the Hulkbuster i think it will be Marvel select though i like the original toy biz one. Then again we could get one later in the year ??

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Black Arbor 01-17-2015 06:41 PM
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Originally Posted by TheBlueMarvel (Post 584329)
I've never seen it out of the package, so I guess I shouldn't be so critical. I don't like the hands or the feet, but the head is cool. I get that it's stylized and deliberately cartoonish. I just don't like the style choice for the body of the sculpt. It reminds me of Humberto Ramos' art (big hands and feet), a comic talent that I have a love hate relationship with (I'm probably courting another "hey, wait a minute" moment here :D ). I posted it in response to BlackArbor's pic because I believe the fig was intended to be that iteration of Goblin. I think the details and textures found on the sculpt are really cool, but the fig seems out of place with other Legends (IMO). It almost seems like it's a "superdeformed" styling similar to Manga and Anime....
Yeah, I've been tempted to get that figure and harvest parts to make a good GG with that style suit, but since it's based off Mr. Ramos's art, I think I'd be better off just sculpy-ing it over a base body, haha. But man, those new Legends look DY-NO-MITE! I usually hate ML's that use the Bullseye body, but Iron Fist actually looks really fun! If only he had the yellow/ green suit with the disco collar... But I think Hawkeye is gonna be a must-buy for me, and maybe even Machine Man...

TheBlueMarvel 01-17-2015 08:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Black Arbor (Post 584481)
Yeah, I've been tempted to get that figure and harvest parts to make a good GG with that style suit, but since it's based off Mr. Ramos's art, I think I'd be better off just sculpy-ing it over a base body, haha. But man, those new Legends look DY-NO-MITE! I usually hate ML's that use the Bullseye body, but Iron Fist actually looks really fun! If only he had the yellow/ green suit with the disco collar... But I think Hawkeye is gonna be a must-buy for me, and maybe even Machine Man...
I wasn't exactly certain whether it was based on Ramos' art, but you've confirmed it for me. There are things that I like about it, the detail work on the plate-mail, the well sculpted head, the separate bag accessory, are all very tempting. I think a whole line in that style could have been interesting, but with only one fig with that look, I feared it would be the odd man out in any display. I'm interested its articulation, that might tip the scales.

I normally take a "wait and see" approach to these new ML's, but I'm pretty excited about owning every fig from this line! So far, they look nutz. Fist, like Quicksilver before him, seems perfect for that buck. I'll hold on to my classic Fist

TheBlueMarvel 01-17-2015 08:50 PM
lol having problems here....

....but the swappable hands make this new Danny the superior figure. All this before even laying eyes on Machine Man! I'm very happy about Machine Man, in case you didn't read that last bit...I can't wait until my pre-order arrives!!!

....Unfortunately, waiting, is likely exactly what I will end up doing given the Cali shipyard strike. I'm a firm believer in fair compensation and benefits for workers, but I must admit I'm a little concerned at the potential shipment delay....

Black Arbor 01-17-2015 09:15 PM
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Originally Posted by TheBlueMarvel (Post 584489)
lol having problems here....

....but the swappable hands make this new Danny the superior figure. All this before even laying eyes on Machine Man! I'm very happy about Machine Man, in case you didn't read that last bit...I can't wait until my pre-order arrives!!!

....Unfortunately, waiting, is likely exactly what I will end up doing given the Cali shipyard strike. I'm a firm believer in fair compensation and benefits for workers, but I must admit I'm a little concerned at the potential shipment delay....
I'm probably misreading, but are you saying you've got the new Iron Fist figure? If so, 1) I'm jealous! :D and 2) any thoughts on him?

TheBlueMarvel 01-17-2015 09:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Black Arbor (Post 584491)
I'm probably misreading, but are you saying you've got the new Iron Fist figure? If so, 1) I'm jealous! :D and 2) any thoughts on him?
No way! I wish! I'd be posting pics of them if I had them. I'm still waiting for my pre-order to ship. I ordered the line 2 weeks ago and I believe that the strike is going create a delay. The strike I'm referring to delayed a bunch of orders for Doomsday Unleashed (fortunately not mine) along with a number of Mattel DCUC figs. To my knowledge, they are still striking. The seller communicated that I should expect a 2/4ish delivery, but if what I believe about the strike is true, I'm doubtful that date will hold.

VashTS 01-17-2015 10:15 PM
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Originally Posted by TheBlueMarvel (Post 584489)
lol having problems here....

....but the swappable hands make this new Danny the superior figure. All this before even laying eyes on Machine Man! I'm very happy about Machine Man, in case you didn't read that last bit...I can't wait until my pre-order arrives!!!

....Unfortunately, waiting, is likely exactly what I will end up doing given the Cali shipyard strike. I'm a firm believer in fair compensation and benefits for workers, but I must admit I'm a little concerned at the potential shipment delay....
Agreed, selfishly I want to see the legends in my own hands, but support workers all the way.


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