My first thought happens to be an Into the Spider-Verse deluxe figure since that's still the latest Spidey wave and I seem to recall Hasbro saying that they weren't done with just the wave we got (maybe I'm misremembering). Second guess, maybe a cartoon inspired retro card release.

While "Into the Spider-Verse" is an excellent movie, I'd prefer seeing some kind of new Doctor Octopus figure of Otto Octavius over a figure of Liv. The current Doc Ock figure is going for $50+ on Amazon and Ebay and I'd really love to see more classic Retro Spider-Man figures get made, especially new classic figures of Spider-Man's classic rogues gallery. And again, I'm hoping for bendable wire tentacles for the next Ock figure.

I'll take a second Ock, however, there are glaring questions begging answers. Where is Will O' The Wisp, Tarantula, Silvermane (full cyborg body), the Gibbon (yes, I want him), Carrion, Lightmaster, Ezekiel (see Gibbon - C'mon Hasbro, y'know you want a reason to make a barefoot suited-body), Mr. Negative, Morlun, Black Tarantula, Vermin, comic Molten Man, Man Wolf (make him and I'll get JJ - side-note: as a Spidey fan I've always HATED JJ and was surprised to see people celebrate the fig - I still haven't purchased it as I spent much of my childhood hoping he'd be killed off somehow), etc...

I'd add to that list the Tinkerer, the Grizzly, the Spot, Fusion from Paul Jenkins' "Peter Parker" run, the Looter, purple-and-blue suit Boomerang, classic Kaine, classic Stunner, suit-and-tie Tombstone, and Shriek. I would also love a new Hydro-Man with normal human arms (as well as the Sandman) and Mysterio with alternate heads of Quentin Beck and Daniel Berkhart.

Certainly, but the point I am making has little to do with how many Spidey rogues I can mention. Rather, it's a declaration that I've grown tired of remakes and I'm frustrated that we are missing out on the sheer depth and variety available within the character's mythos. We have at least two (more in several cases) of the Green Goblin, Sandman, Venom, Carnage, Electro, Morbius, Kraven, Hobgoblin, and even a running change (of sorts) for the Vulture. I sincerely hope that when Hasbro grants yet one more revisit to whichever fig for which people are clamoring loudest, a money making minimalist effort that we well know won't be passed on, that those people that missed out and are constantly bemoaning secondary prices will ante up and buy them this time around. This way we can finally move on to new unmade 1st draft characters.

Also Swarm. Preferably transparent yellow like the old Toybiz figure. Hypno-hustler please. Please please please. Man-Spider. Sleepwalker. Stegron. Kangaroo. Hammerhead. The chameleon body 100% does not cut it.

@TheBlueMarvel - Oh, don't worry, I knew the point you were trying to make. We've gotten some first ever figures like Frog Man, but we still have a long, looooong way to go with other classic Spidey foes finally getting a figure for the first time. I wouldn't mind a remake of Doc Ock, especially with a John Romita Sr./Death of Captain Stacy era head sculpt and glasses, but that said, it'd be just as cool to get a Doctor Octopus figure in his white Armani suit or his '90s animated series uniform. However, while I agree with your post, Sandman doesn't really work like some of the other examples, since not everyone got the Build-A-Figure pieces. Sure, we got the 7-inch Sandman figure, but he's so out of scale with the Legends that I hope we get a single or Deluxe Retro Sandman sooner rather than later. Sandman and Rhino especially need new figures A.S.A.P. Classic Shocker does too.

@Boogieman4hire - I like your choices. I also agree that the Chameleon doesn't cut it for Hammerhead, I'd like to see Hammerhead get his own new figure without being stuck as an alternate head. But I get why that happened the first time around, since as much as I'd love a solo Hammerhead figure release, it might end up pegwarming. Having a figure of a guy in a suit with a Tommy gun wouldn't be as appealing as, say, a new Lizard or a new classic Venom would (hint hint, Hasbro).

If Hasbro made Doc Ock in his Armani suit, they could reuse the body for Hammerhead. Both characters are around the same height and build. Most of the parts could easily be reused. They’d just need to change the soft jacket piece that goes over the torso. It would complete each character’s respective suit while also hiding the tentacle ports on the torso when it’s being used for Hammerhead. They could even used the jacket piece to add a little girth to Hammerhead’s midsection to make him more accurate.

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@Stuart

We'll have to agree to disagree then. We just got a sample response to what is effectively a 'color edit' for the videogame looks hinted at a few months prior with what appears to be a Capcom version of Omega Red. The feedback from the collecting crowd wasn't so great for this fig's insertion into the Wolvie 5pack, with the greatest positive being that we get an emotive head that could have simply been a pack-in. That said, let me keep it Spider Man specific - the popular rationale that reissues blunt secondary costs isn't exactly standing up to scrutiny with figs like Ultimate Green Goblin: Black Cat creeping back up to $50-$60 on eBay and those prices nearly being matched by Spider Man Retro Animated: Black Cat, which is now fetching roughly $40. If these redrafts touted as some form of alms for those that missed out earlier on isn't actually mitigating much, then where's the value in having them?

You've correctly cited Frogman as a 1st draft character, to which I'll add White Rabbit and Stiltman as recent figs I welcome. Well, I can't really claim to "welcome" Frogman, as I personally - similar to many other collectors based on the fig's peg-warm - am not rushing out to buy the character. Nonetheless I'm happy to receive the variety and will get it at some point for $4-$5 plus ship. In just a few comments, we have rattled off a litany of characters, many of which have been called for year after year. Hasbro has been enjoying the Marvel license for 15 years now and IIRC we're at least 3-4 waves in on a Spider Man break-out line. Lets review the number of just some of the revisits we've received in that stretch of time including the character specific waves (off the top of my head and with no film figs): Black Cat -3, Kraven -2 (soon to be 3), Electro -2, Green Goblin -3, Hobgoblin -2, Sandman -2, Kingpin -2, Mysterio -2, Scarlet Spider -2, Spider Man 2099 -3, and Toxin -2. This, without touching the parade of actual Spider Man and Venom figs, amounts to 25+ in total and at least 16 redux figs in an incomplete list (I know I'm missing some). At some point, one has to identify a pattern.

Some collectors have transitioned from simply going along with this IMO abusive manufacturing methodology, to actually requesting it - a genius feat of operant conditioning on the part of toymakers. There are at least 16+ slots that could have delivered any one of the characters you, I and others mentioned wanting rather than issuing remakes. Acquiescing and/or calling for revisits directly conflicts with our other wants as consumers. IMO this folly serves little purpose other than to line the pockets of companies that spoon-feed us what we want in only drips and drabs, while convincing some of us what we REALLY want is what they've already given (with slight tweaks) and can reproduce with virtually no effort all while charging full price.

As I said, I'll take a new Ock, which I really shouldn't because that act also perpetuates this process, but it's time to move on to more of the 'new/never before seen'. Also, I disagree with a revisit of Sandman for the same reasons I don't believe a new Absorbing Man is needed. Both characters can alter their stature with one being able to completely manipulate the expression of his form. If my calls for a properly sized Beta Ray Thor, Abomination and, maybe, Ultron can be eschewed, than the Sandman purists can also be ignored.

This is an amazing list. Spectacular, even. I’d tack on the Enforcers, Spider-Slayers, Looter, Kangaroo, Stegron, Grizzly, Cyclone, the Human Fly, Rocket Racer, the Big Wheel (there’s no way, I know), Calypso, Chance, the Rose, Slyde, Solo, Humbug, & the Tinkerer (loaded up with accessories, like the alien heads from ASM 2#). And if they could give us Razorback like Frog-Man (maybe even on the same body), I’d be a very happy Spidey-fan.

I would also welcome some more classic redecos of previously released characters (similar to last year’s Kingpin), with Lizard & Rhino at the top of my list.

Also glad I’m not the only one who’s never been big on triple J. And that someone else wants Gibbon…

I wish the Strong Guy X-Factor/X Force build a figure was easier to catch up on like with the Age of Apocalypse Sugar Man Wave.

Not everyone knows about some weird female character with a little mutant shark that has arms and legs from whatever comic book. That and Hasbro and Marvel having an all blue Deadpool having Strong Guy's head piece

So... recipe?

And I thought I saw someone say Swarm as a Spider-Man wave want. I'd really dig him!

I see what you did - glad to know that we can team-up when creating a web of greater Spidey character representation. :D

Those are all great, especially Rose, Grizzly and the Human Fly.

I don't mind some redecos and/or revisits, what I'm not happy with is a lack of balance heavily skewed toward retread. It's been fifteen years, that's enough time to start digging a bit deeper into the pantheon. My opinion is the same as it regards the movies and part of the reason I'm interested to see Eternals and FF. Unexplored country.

As far as Jameson is concerned, I've always wanted Gargan to exact his revenge on that reprobate as a deeply deserved comeuppance. Jameson as a character type somewhat informed my disdain for tabloid publishers and their rags in the NY tristate while growing up. Even more the villain than Jameson is Rupert Murdoch and the New York Post is just one of the conduits through which he spreads his toxic lies and hateful narrative...

This Ultron is based on the George Perez design & is a 6 footer in the comics, so don't know what you mean bout him being "too small" Unlike the MCU Ultron, comic Ultron is not a 7 footer, at least not this version.

@TheBlueMarvel - I'm not sure why you disagree with my post when I said I was agreeing with you. The main complaint I see is that "why do we need (X) when we had (number) of figures of him/her already?" and I'd like to politely point out, just because you found (X) figure, it doesn't mean (Y) collector found it the first time around and neither did those just now collecting Marvel Legends figures. You can justifiably argue some aren't as hard to find as others and those that are out aren't that expensive, but there are always popular versions of characters that always sell out and are re-sold for three up to five times more than the normal retail price. Just look at any Jim Lee X-Men figure as a perfect example, such as Cyclops, Beast and Rogue. I also don't get why Kraven isn't an example of someone who needs to be re-made. I've been trying to buy a Kraven since the first solo figure and then the 80th anniversary two-pack, but I could not find both and when I did, it was overpriced on Amazon and Ebay. If you found Kraven, congratulations. I didn't and I'd like to get a solo figure of him, preferably with the classic suit colors.

Also, with respect, your Electro example doesn't really work. One was the more modern costume on a thin body mold and the second was the classic costume with a new head, new normal hands and a new body mold. It's not like it was the exact same figure as before but painted differently like classic Spider-Man 2099. I can't blame Hasbro for re-making the classic Spider-Man figures because THEY SELL. Frog Man isn't a big seller. Jackal wasn't a big seller. Just because we want Hasbro to make a first-time figure of a specific character, it doesn't mean they will, especially if it's going to peg-warm or be sold later on clearance for a lower price of what the current price is. Also, just because it's a known character like modern suit Black Cat and six-armed Spider-Man, it doesn't mean they'll sell well either, as I personally saw both pegwarm for months after they were released pre-pandemic. Heck, six-armed Spider-Man shelfwarmed at my local H-E-B grocery stores!

Also, another problem I believe you can agree with me on is that the annual Top 10 needs to be longer or changed to include Top 10 lists for X-Men characters, Avengers characters, Spider-Man characters, etc., like they tried to do on The Fwoosh message boards. 6 or so of the slots ALWAYS go to X-Men characters, and it's usually Avalanche, Toad, Blob and Banshee filling those slots. You can't exactly make a Top 10 list of characters who could be made for the first time, like Calypso, Lady Octopus, Stegron, the Rose and so on if an X-character is taking up a lot of the slots. I also stand by needing new classic figures of characters who people didn't get the Build-A-Figure parts the first time around like Sandman and Rhino (and without the screaming head sculpt this time, please, Hasbro) and new classic figures we either haven't had made yet (like the Shocker, who needs new blast accessories instead of the same effects sold over and over repainted in a different color) or are now overpriced so new collectors can't afford them (like Doc Ock). If you saw a Doc Ock figure for $22 now being sold for $50 and up on Amazon and Ebay, would you really buy it when you could get two different Legends figures instead and knew that a new Ock could be made within three or four years anyway? You also shouldn't feel guilty if you buy a new Ock because you technically aren't perpetuating the process. The last figure for Doc Ock was released three years ago. If you or other collectors didn't find it last time, then you can get the next figure. As we saw with Retro Green Goblin, it could end up being different so that it's not like it's a complete re-release with just a new coat of paint. And if bendable wire tentacles are included, unlike the last Ock, that definitely makes it different. Heck, they could put Doc Ock in a two pack with Aunt May and I'd still buy it!

Plus, I agree with you. We DO need figures of classic Beta Ray Bill and classic Abomination. Heck, we DO need more Hulk figures, period, from Hulks and villains to civilian characters and allies. The Hulk, Ghost Rider, Captain America and Thor, among others, are characters I'd love to see get a new Marvel Legends wave of eventually. Since Ant-Man, Hulk, Spider-Man and Thor all turn 60 next year, I'm hoping for some 60th anniversary waves for the heroes in 2022, but we'll see what Hasbro does.

I also agree with Ultra Seven, new figures of the Rose and Calypso are a must. I can't believe I forgot to list them when I mentioned characters like Grizzly, Looter and Tinkerer, which Ultra also listed.

Thanks for reading my nonsense and I hope you all have a great day. Stay safe, everyone.

If Im not mistaken its a New Disney+ Loki with the old man LOGAN trench coat/Duster

I think we’re somewhat likely to see Grizzly next year with the Ursa Major tooling. At least I hope.

You make an interesting point that I hadn’t considered about the balance of rereleases/ revisits vs. new characters being skewed. That said, I can appreciate the necessity of rereleasing characters (like the much-mentioned Doc Ock) for new collectors. I’d hate to see ML fall victim to the “He-Man problem” wherein the Buzz-Offs & Stinkors of the line are plentiful, but you can’t get a damned Skeletor.

Mention of FF & Eternals in the MCU reminds me that I do hope Hasbro delves deeper into the comics characters from both groups. The FF feels particularly underrepresented when you consider that we’ve had two waves (plus a practical third in Walgreens releases) of FF villains with around half a dozen unique supporting characters between them.

I concur with your general disdain for Murdoch & his ilk. I had considered going into journalism, but was turned off by yellow rags like the Daily Bugle… erm, New York Post…

Bill & Abomination are major wants for me, particularly Beta Ray Bill. I have less specific attachment to Abomination, and really just want more villains to do battle with the fleet of Hulks we’ve been treated to. I’d also like to see the U-Foes, Bi-Beast, & the Glob (which a Hulk wave would could help with). Thor’s supporting cast also seems well overdue, particularly the Warriors Three (and my particular favorite Balder). The Iron Man wave gives me hope for more diverse wave themes that could serve as an avenue to more of those classic characters that can’t quite crack the top ten.

Glad we’re on the same page about building up a preposterous rogue’s gallery for Spidey! I’m disappointed with the lack of comics Spider-Man figures this year, as much as I loved the Stilt-Man wave. I didn’t realize until I was working on that list just how many villains I’d still readily buy.

I always appreciate your wrapping up your posts with well-wishes. Hope you have a swell day too!

I'm still waiting for Sleepwalker to happen...

And Coldblood.

Sepulchre

Yeah, I know what Ultron's listed as, but that's often interpreted differently by artist, era, and trends in popularity.

It's exactly George Perez' art that lays the foundation of my opinion:

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Here Ultron matches Thor's height, which has always represented my mind's eye visions of him.

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In both height and girth/thickness of limb, Ultron appears larger than the Iron Man II armor. If you go back and look at the Instagram photo I was responding to, you'll see that Ultron looks to be slightly shorter than that same version of Iron Man and about the same physical size. I am hoping it was merely an unfortunate angle.

@Stuart

You agreed with my want for new figs of undone characters - I disagree with the necessity for constant remakes and believe that it functions as a direct hindrance to receiving new figs of undone characters.

Agreeing to disagree isn't a bad thing, by the way - consensus is usually blind to nuance.

I know that you and other collectors haven't managed to find certain figures despite many of them being offered multiple times and that's exactly why I sincerely hope you get Kraven on this third shot because I really would rather the slot go to something else the next go around. And about procurement, I'm not doing anything special to get the figs that I want. This thread does a lot to help people find things from shout outs of when/where figs are showing up, to the posting of direct links where the items can be pre-ordered, to the doling out of DCPI numbers, and even the generosity of actual members nabbing stuff and sending them to others at cost+ship. Then, of course, there's ponying up and paying slightly more on eBay with careful spot auctions. These are all options to 16+ slots (and growing) for Spider Man alone being used on reissues.

Additionally, a different costume of the same character (even one with new parts) does indeed count as yet one more iteration of said character. So, yes, there are two Electros - again, I would rather see the balance of slots being used for something unrepresented rather than hitting the same notes again and again.

We DO agree on a longer fan-lists, or more lists per annum.

This process is unbalanced; I'm looking for variety in a more global sense not within the confines of just a few of the same characters and/or teams. I'd collect MacFarlane's Multiverse if I wanted 20 Batmen and a bunch of Batman-as-(insert ANYTHING).

Rupert Murdoch has flouted FCC communication laws in New York since at least the early 90's. Regulation is supposed to prohibit the simultaneous ownership of print/television/radio broadcast outlets in the city of New York and Boston because it provides far too much influence and sway over public opinion and discourse. He has skirted the law for years, but money buys you many things - namely, very effective lawyers and even more potent lobbyists.

When a former Prime Minister in your nation of origin initiates a public petition calling for a parliamentary inquiry into your media dominance and its resultant ill effects on society, you'd think it'd garner some attention over here in the states. Bupkis. He's known abroad as the "King Maker" for a reason,

Yay.

I always will want new characters but I think there's definitely good criterion for some rereleases of characters. I don't have a problem with anything that was only available as a store or event exclusive. Damn you Red Hulk. Or anything that was released in a costume that isn't their iconic looks( Demolition Man is a twice offender on that front. Hasbro still has to deliver that true wolverine mask daredevil D-Man as well as Scourge the D-list villain killing dirtbag. RIP to the patrons of the Bar With No Name) Dare Which sometimes sucks because there is various popular characters with various iconic looks meaning various figures of the same character. Which is why it was pretty great getting Electro again. And finally some characters had figures that also need redos because something about the prior release was inadequate. Be it popularity coupled with limited availability, quality control issues, aesthetic and technological improvements since release( Wrecking Crew, Constrictor, Madames Masque & Hydra), or unobtainability due to aftermarket value. Though that last one I understand is iffy with a lot of people. I'm not saying they have to make it again, just that I can appreciate why.

I will say everyone else's non enjoyment of niche and unpopular characters does not phase me because those are usually exactly what I want. I love Frogman and you're here telling me it's going to be at discount for $5. I'm going to go ham on it.

^All good points, as were the ones made by Stuart and Ultra. That said, the numbers speak for themselves that's a lot of spots that could otherwise be used for the many heroes and villains that routinely rank highly on fan polls. Just about everything in this world is governed by, or seeks, some form of balance/equilibrium/homeostasis.