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synapse17 09-10-2010 11:26 AM
Well I'm happy to hear that there are more style of the suit featured in the film. I hope the Ultimate WWII fit is one of them.

I never said that fan boys should agree with me. My point in that regard was about the resistance everyone seems to have to my opinion. In a movie that actually features scenes of a comic hero in a real world setting, doesn't it make some since that the Ultimate costume that is the most accurate in terms of the period, should be a consideration.

And your right. Although my original comments were wrong in regards to it being the actual modern fit, I knew that it was a stunt double. That was what I meant by blind and illiterate.

I don't think it's fair to tell me that I should "chill out" for having an opinion.

And as for the very first costume that our beloved Captain wore in the comics, I think it's safe to say that not many think it would be right for this project. But I could be wrong.

As to your statement Trebleshot, about the practice of redesigning costumes for movies and them mostly being subject to minor to major alterations for the media switch. This practice in many cases is just to maintain some realism. But in this case I feel that they have an opportunity to achieve this goal without changing a thing. I would really enjoy it if they took advantage of this opportunity. But I really like the modern choice that they showed on marvolus.com. I think it's a great design for our modern Captain.

I also have to say that on that note, I have not agreed with a lot of the costume choices made in previous movies. Ex: Spiderman, Dare Devil, Electra and X-Men. I did however, enjoy the costumes in; Blade, FF, Ghost Rider and any of the Marvel films. I think Marvel is doing an amazing job in bringing there heros to the big screen.

I would love it if the new Spiderman movie stuck with the classic costume, with little to no changes. I think that Spidy is one of the few characters that could pull it off. That is if they can reproduce that look without it looking like a Halloween costume. Just my opinion.

Jmacq1 09-10-2010 11:48 AM
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Originally Posted by synapse17 (Post 69851)
I never said that fan boys should agree with me. My point in that regard was about the resistance everyone seems to have to my opinion. In a movie that actually features scenes of a comic hero in a real world setting, doesn't it make some since that the Ultimate costume that is the most accurate in terms of the period, should be a consideration.
Not necessarily. This movie doesn't take place in the real world. It takes place in the cinematic Marvel Universe. A place where we can have indestructible shields of unknown alloys, super-soldier serums, and (speculation) a young Howard Stark creating some kind of proto-Kevlar armor for America's super-soldier in the early 1940's. Let's face it, it makes more sense than chain mail or no armor at all.

Personally, I'm not sure what you're seeing about the movie outfit that's so drastically out of touch with the period. Helmet? Check. Web gear? Check. Baggy pants? Check. Combat Boots? Check. About the only thing that looks potentially "out of period" is the upper chest portion of the costume, and even that's not exactly Iron Man level tech.

synapse17 09-10-2010 12:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Jmacq1 (Post 69855)
Not necessarily. This movie doesn't take place in the real world. It takes place in the cinematic Marvel Universe. A place where we can have indestructible shields of unknown alloys, super-soldier serums, and (speculation) a young Howard Stark creating some kind of proto-Kevlar armor for America's super-soldier in the early 1940's. Let's face it, it makes more sense than chain mail or no armor at all.

Personally, I'm not sure what you're seeing about the movie outfit that's so drastically out of touch with the period. Helmet? Check. Web gear? Check. Baggy pants? Check. Combat Boots? Check. About the only thing that looks potentially "out of period" is the upper chest portion of the costume, and even that's not exactly Iron Man level tech.
When I say real world you know what I mean. And just to make sure, I mean, a world in which comics are relatable to fans of all walks and not just fan boys. We suspend our believe for a lot of reasons in a lot of films. But when you're taking a premiss as outlandish as comic book super heros in spandex, a few tweaks are expected.

I have no problem with this. I support this mind set completely. Of course the degree of changes is subject to ones personal opinion. Something I'm just going to apologize for expressing since it's obvious none of you seem to understand my points or opinions, let alone agree with me on any level. It's almost as if you guys are insulted by me having an opinion.

What I'm saying is that I don't like it as much as the Ultimate outfit and since the Ultimate outfit is realistic, does correspond with the period, and war this film is taking place in. I don't think it would be a bad idea to include it in the movie. Sure the outfit in the images we are discussing could work. Thats fine and a perfectly respectable opinion. BUT I DON"T LIKE IT. IS THAT OK?

synapse17 09-10-2010 12:31 PM

firmpulse 09-10-2010 01:10 PM
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Originally Posted by trebleshot (Post 69818)
But it did make me wonder: has there really ever been a comic-based movie where the costumes are 100% accurate to the source material?
2008 Incredible Hulk :) ripped pants look EXACTLY like the comic :)

Jmacq1 09-10-2010 01:40 PM
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Originally Posted by synapse17 (Post 69863)
When I say real world you know what I mean. And just to make sure, I mean, a world in which comics are relatable to fans of all walks and not just fan boys. We suspend our believe for a lot of reasons in a lot of films. But when you're taking a premiss as outlandish as comic book super heros in spandex, a few tweaks are expected.
"Fans of all walks" have already accepted that a man can build a barely-more-than-man-sized suit of power armor more powerful than a jet fighter fueled by a pint-sized power source that may as well be magic and is effectively a bionic implant. Or that a pint-sized scientist can transform into a 9 foot tall green monster when he gets really mad. I really don't think they're going to get hung up on Captain America not being dressed in blue fatigues with a white star on them. In fact, they'd likely get more hung up with a perfectly accurate "Ultimate World War II" costume, because that is not the most common portrayal of the character. Let us not forget that the "Ultimate" Captain America is not the mainstream version of the character, and of the two primary "Ultimate" costumes his modern version (which his movie outfit more closely resembles) is closer to his "classic" appearance than his World War II fatigues.

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I have no problem with this. I support this mind set completely. Of course the degree of changes is subject to ones personal opinion. Something I'm just going to apologize for expressing since it's obvious none of you seem to understand my points or opinions, let alone agree with me on any level. It's almost as if you guys are insulted by me having an opinion.

What I'm saying is that I don't like it as much as the Ultimate outfit and since the Ultimate outfit is realistic, does correspond with the period, and war this film is taking place in. I don't think it would be a bad idea to include it in the movie. Sure the outfit in the images we are discussing could work. Thats fine and a perfectly respectable opinion. BUT I DON"T LIKE IT. IS THAT OK?
And this is why people are telling you to "chill out." Nobody's "attacking" you for having an opinion. They're disagreeing with you and expressing that disagreement, and your attempts to portray it as some kind of vendetta against you only serve as a passive-aggressive attempt to suppress THEIR opinions. You have a right to your opinion but guess what? People have just as much of a right to not agree with you, and state why. People understand your opinion just fine, but understanding and agreement are not the same thing.

Welcome to the internet.

synapse17 09-10-2010 04:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Jmacq1 (Post 69877)
"Fans of all walks" have already accepted that a man can build a barely-more-than-man-sized suit of power armor more powerful than a jet fighter fueled by a pint-sized power source that may as well be magic and is effectively a bionic implant. Or that a pint-sized scientist can transform into a 9 foot tall green monster when he gets really mad. I really don't think they're going to get hung up on Captain America not being dressed in blue fatigues with a white star on them. In fact, they'd likely get more hung up with a perfectly accurate "Ultimate World War II" costume, because that is not the most common portrayal of the character. Let us not forget that the "Ultimate" Captain America is not the mainstream version of the character, and of the two primary "Ultimate" costumes his modern version (which his movie outfit more closely resembles) is closer to his "classic" appearance than his World War II fatigues.


My argument is not and has never been about how ready the viewer is for the most believable character in the Marvel Universe or even that the costume that I prefer is more realistic. And it is. These are all points of interest but not the point I tried to make in my original post, that The costume in my opinion looks like ass!

I think it's retarded that expressing the view that I don't like something leads to all these responses challenging that view. Likes and dislikes are subjective. All the points I've used to inject some basis for not liking it are not the root of my statement, they were just logical responses to the questioning of my opinion. They were meant to further explain my point but in no way necessary for me to justify that I DON"T LIKE IT. I don't care about your dumb ass Marvel Universe logic. None of it has anything to do with what I do and don't like. Or even the points that I was making.

And when trying to introduce these marvelous characters into a movie, it helps to have some solid and realistic references to help ground the story for the viewers. consultants are paid huge sums of money by production houses for just that reason. You should call them up and tell them that their wasting their money.

And this is why people are telling you to "chill out." Nobody's "attacking" you for having an opinion. They're disagreeing with you and expressing that disagreement, and your attempts to portray it as some kind of vendetta against you only serve as a passive-aggressive attempt to suppress THEIR opinions. You have a right to your opinion but guess what? People have just as much of a right to not agree with you, and state why. People understand your opinion just fine, but understanding and agreement are not the same thing.

Welcome to the internet.
Disagreeing with what? That I can have an opinion? I was told to chill out after my first post. The one stating that I thought it looked like ass. You don't disagree with someone by saying chill out. You say well I like it... I think that time after time I have acknowledged others opinions and shown respect for those opinions. I have not once in any of my statements challenged anyones opinions. All I've done is respond to direct questions and backed up my opinion. But why it is that people like you keep saying things like I'm still not seeing what you don't like.

You don't have to see it, you don't have to agree with it. I've explained myself clearly enough.

Welcome to the internet... Thats not patronizing.

trebleshot 09-10-2010 05:27 PM
Ok, enough. Everyone (and I do mean everyone) needs to take a step back and chill out. Some of the comments have gotten very close to flamebait and frankly, I'm tired of reading them.

Let it go and move on.

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Originally Posted by firmpulse (Post 69870)
2008 Incredible Hulk :) ripped pants look EXACTLY like the comic :)
We have a winner! And if memory serves, during at least one point in the film, the pants in question are also purple.

May have to start a separate trivia thread for this topic....

scarecrow 09-10-2010 07:32 PM
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Originally Posted by synapse17 (Post 69819)
None of you are getting what I'm saying. I read and saw the article. I am not mistaken. I know that it's a stunt double. I also get that it's a cheaper version for stunt reasons. My point, dare I not relax or chill, is that they should have used a WWII version costume like the pictures I posted instead of what looks like a slightly different version of the modern suit designed specifically for this film.

Sorry so many of you seem to think thats horrible of me to say. It's still my opinion. I can't believe a bunch of fan boys not only believe that I'm wrong on this but wouldn't like to see that costume or something like it in the film during the WWII scenes. http://img348.imageshack.us/img348/4929/074kr.jpg

Flame on...
Dude, chill out. I know you said you didn't want anybody to say that, but seriously, do it anyway. Take a breath, count to ten. You're blowing this way out of proportion.

And those stills look great.

Iron Man 09-10-2010 08:24 PM
I was kinda iffy on the suit design, but after seeing the stunt double pic I'm sold. I do however hope they release a comic book figure of his WWII costume.

synapse17 09-10-2010 09:21 PM
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Originally Posted by scarecrow (Post 69927)
Dude, chill out. I know you said you didn't want anybody to say that, but seriously, do it anyway. Take a breath, count to ten. You're blowing this way out of proportion.

And those stills look great.
Thanks for bringing this back up Scarecrow.

I only responded to other people, who post after post challenged my opinion in a way I felt was not in the spirt of what I feel this site is about. An open and free thinking forum. One that welcomed diversity in views and opinions. If you read my posts you'll see that I never criticize others, unless you count the last post of mine in that series. To be honest at that point and with that poster, I had had enough. Before that I even acknowledged a mistake that I made after Saint Phe pointed it out.

To be honest I feel bad about the pointless drama that came from my original comment. That being said, I feel that with the exception of a few good points and counter opinions most of what was posted in response to what I said was by and large, badgering.

And while I would probable relate to your comments scarecrow, after having witnessed this retarded display (that I take full credit for). I still think it's rude of you to post this after the moderator has asked for a ceasefire.

I would like to apologize to Saint Phe, for jumping on you after you told me to chill out. I overreacted a bit in that case and it was unnecessary. And to Trebleshot, I apologize for the whole mess.

Although there is one last individual I would like to mention here, (you know who you are) out of respect for the moderator I'll leave it at that.

P.S. Trebleshot the new Hulk was pretty spot on.

Saint Phe 09-11-2010 08:10 AM
Apology accepted. End of story.

firmpulse 09-13-2010 08:03 AM
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Originally Posted by trebleshot (Post 69904)
May have to start a separate trivia thread for this topic....
that would be a fun thread!

trebleshot 09-14-2010 07:01 AM
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Originally Posted by firmpulse (Post 70417)
that would be a fun thread!
Done. Let's see how it does.

How many can you name?

ludovicotek 09-24-2010 07:44 PM
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Some new pics floating around the web of a bulked up Chris Evans. He's looking pretty diesel. This might work after all.
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Snowflakian 09-24-2010 11:17 PM
The thing to remember with cap, is 2 fold.

1.) This is a period piece set in the 40s.
2.) It's NOT the comic book captain america.

Remembering these two things will help on many ends.
Mostly because of the USO angle of the movie at first, and then the change up to in the war. So he's going to have roughly 3 costumes.
1. USO show costume.
2. His own combat suit for going out on his own.
3. A new suit when they decide to let him fight in the war formally. (which originally was the USO suit and combat suit meshed together. No clue how much of that has changed.)

It may even get special revisions based on the situation. You know going into Normandy without a helmet, or dropping out of a plane without a helmet may not be the smartest thing anyway. But why keep it on if it obstructs your view of battle once in close quarters or city fights?
None of these will really dictate what to expect in avengers though, as all the suits will be dated on purpose for this being a period film. Shield will probably give him a new costume for the avengers.

Chris Evans looks fine like he'll pull it off perfectly. Just don't go in expecting verbatum comic accuracy, or even modern comic accuracy. This is a take of trying to do it in the real world with how governments think and work with tax dollars. You have to consider the troop rallying potential of the time as well, and uniqueness of his situation.

Ironman skates, because the entire premise is an arrogant genius who decided to strap rockets to his legs more or less. Suspension of disbelief? Definitely, but that goes with the entire ideal behind Tony Stark being a genius. Nothing is impossible, it just hasn't been made yet.

scarecrow 09-25-2010 01:43 AM
God, I just saw those photos elsewhere. I feel so relieved. This movie is looking to be real good. As a period piece it'll get away with a lot of stuff that most movies couldn't... Man I can't wait to see more...

Especially Johann Schmidt.

ludovicotek 10-28-2010 11:59 AM
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The cover of the new issue of Entertainment Weekly features Chris Evans as Captain America. Inside the issue, they provide the following synopsis for the film:

The year is 1942, and Steve Rogers is a scrawny lad who desperately wants to fight Nazis for his country but can’t because he’s been deemed physically unfit. His fate — and his physique — is radically transformed when he signs up for Project: Rebirth, a secret military operation that turns wimps into studs using drugs and assorted sci-fi hoo-ha. There’s a love interest (Major Peggy Carter, played Haley Atwell), there’s a sidekick (Bucky Barnes, played by Sebastian Stans), and there’s the Red Skull (Hugo Weaving), Hitler’s treacherous head of advanced weaponry, whose own plan for world domination involves a magical object known as The Tesseract (comic fans know it better as The Cosmic Cube).

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jimster2010 10-28-2010 12:26 PM
I can't wait for this movie and I hope it doesn't suck like the previous Captain America cinematic abortions we've been treated to.

brianregan09 10-28-2010 12:32 PM
Yeah that definitly sounds about right..One thing though is why can't they actually call it the cosmic cube and not that other name they said

Crazy Jetty 10-28-2010 01:08 PM
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Originally Posted by trebleshot (Post 69818)
And more tailored to fit Chris, I'd imagine.

But it did make me wonder: has there really ever been a comic-based movie where the costumes are 100% accurate to the source material?
The first Batman movie, starring Adam West and Burt Ward were extremely accurate to the comic costumes, at the time.

trebleshot 10-28-2010 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Crazy Jetty (Post 77503)
The first Batman movie, starring Adam West and Burt Ward were extremely accurate to the comic costumes, at the time.
Little late to the party, but yes. You may want to check out the thread link I posted above for more.

Spacemafia 10-29-2010 12:21 AM
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Originally Posted by brianregan09 (Post 77498)
Yeah that definitly sounds about right..One thing though is why can't they actually call it the cosmic cube and not that other name they said
Because its a comic movie......there is always something in every comic movie that the producers think the "Average movie goer" just wont grasp unless they change it to something else. When if they had went the "Comic" route it would have made more sense.

Example the magic bullet in XMO Wolverine

trebleshot 10-29-2010 05:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Spacemafia (Post 77562)
Because its a comic movie......there is always something in every comic movie that the producers think the "Average movie goer" just wont grasp unless they change it to something else. When if they had went the "Comic" route it would have made more sense.

Example the magic bullet in XMO Wolverine
Well, at least this time it wasn't randomly made-up BS, since the name does make some sense:

Tesseract - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

firmpulse 10-29-2010 07:03 AM
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Originally Posted by trebleshot (Post 77595)
since the name does make some sense
i bet dollars to donuts someone at SOMEPOINT in the film says,"it's like some kinda cosmic cube!" or something as equally easter eggish.

it just occurred to me how hokey the name "cosmic cube" really sounds. imo, anyway


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