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My point still remains: Mattel is probably not including those particular POA to keep their cost down/profit per item up. Quote:
But again, any improvement they make is usually mitigated by some other bonehead action (like the excessive packing of Batman in current cases, and lack of villains, IMO) |
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Acceptance of others is a very good message to send and teach. I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but most of Mattel's dolls are not overly positive images in general. Diversifying the look, promoting a positive message message through a popular line of dolls is an odd thing to get worked up over. |
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On the other hand, yeah, this sounds just like some marketing ploy. However, children are so overly sensitive due to the internet today, so if there is something that can help them have a much better outlook on their lives, I'm okay with it. Quote:
2. Surfer doesn't have ratcheted knee, shoulder, and elbow joints, so they are growing looser each day. 3. Mattel IS keeping their profits up by being cheap. Sure, Hasbro does stupid **** too. However, I have never seen a company as dysfunctional as Mattel in my life. They blatantly ignore their customers and believe they know what the customer wants. They don't care about customer service, especially when it comes to Matty Collector. They also want people to go all in on their products rather than having a choice. The fact is, Mattel is not doing anything to show us they can be better. If they can't give us double jointed knees and elbows, or ankle rockers, how about some god damn interchangeable hands? Quote:
Gaga is a talented actress and singer who actually respects those around her and the medium she is in. She wants people to be who they are and not what society wants them to be. That is far more than those worthless, selfish, ugly, slut lowlifes who get top news headlines every day like the Kardashians. |
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You still haven't told me who you think is a good role model though. |
Lady Gaga IMHO, is awesome.
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Teaching acceptance is a very good message, and actually having a children's toy line spread that message is pretty refreshing. |
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And if parents shouldn't buy their kids toys that don't offer an educational message, you just eliminated 99.9999% of the items we cover here. |
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There is a great difference between a toy who have no educational value to a toy who promote a certain massage |
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And let me turn your words on you. So the only acceptable educational value to promote, is a message you agree with? Hence, if you don't agree with the message being promoted, it's now propaganda as opposed to simply promoting a positive message? |
And maybe I'm missing your general approach here. Is it that individuality shouldn't be embraced, that being different from your peers is something that is not ok? Is it that any attempt to diversify and bring attention and acceptance to those outside the norm is a bad thing? Is it that people who are overweight, come from a different background, those with non-traditional family dynamics are people who should be criticized instead of being understood and accepted?
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No, the only acceptable educational value to promote isn't to agree with me. Refer to the content instead of me. We already agree this massage is beyond your simple don't bully kids based on their looks, but stuff like gender identity and sexual orientation. I do think that people shouldn't be bullied at all, but I do believe I have the right to judge people based on their ideology and not accept their ideas. This argument isn't about our political views (which are clearly different), but on the FACT that mattel crossed line and now we have politics in toys, thanks to them. This why I am against this thing, even if this propaganda was from my political side. |
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I don't agree that this is as political as you're making it out to be, but that's you're viewpoint. As of now, you stated your case, I stated mine. I have nothing further to contribute to this discussion. |
Wow... so, yeah... um... DC Universe Classics, amiright guys?
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I agree with Joe... I can't see how anyone could see this as a bad thing. If spreading acceptance of others and a message of not judging others because they are different than you is a "political" thing, than you know what, so be it. It's still a positive thing.
You're reacting as though someone or some organization has something unsavery to gain from spreading a message of acceptance of others. I'm... honestly not seeing anything like that. Also, I won't get deep into it, as I could easily cross over into a disscussion of religious beliefs, but I believe that you can accept others for who they are without agreeing with them on something. Acceptance of someone means you respect them. You can respect someone while also having different opinions and beliefs than theirs. |
I am so confused now. Louise, you said that Mattel should not be doing this because it is Lady Gaga. I disagree with you. You said she isn't a good role model to kids, but you never told me who you think is.
I do not see any propaganda in this ordeal. Gaga is there to tell kids it is okay to be who they want to be, not what society tells them. What is so hard to understand about that? BTW, how do you feel then about the PSAs that came at the end of every GI Joe, Thundercats, and He-Man episode back in the 80s? THey were pretty political by your definition. |
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The 80's cartoons only promote toy selling, I'm ok with that. |
Permit me to interject: :D
It's important to distinguish between 'tolerance' and 'acceptance.' Political correctness in popular culture tends deliberately to blur that distinction, resulting in a warm, fuzzy, glib message of 'universal acceptance,' failing to acknowledge our duty as individuals in a free society to think critically and form our own unique values and opinions, necessarily rejecting some in favor of others. Too many people are like walking receptacles, accepting any little bit of spoon-fed political correctness or propaganda, like apps to a cell phone. Healthy societies encourage critical thought. That is NOT the same as being intolerant! Everybody should have the right to go about their daily lives free of bullying. Permit me to rephrase Joe's statement above: "you can be tolerant of others without agreeing with them on something." Paraphrasing Louise's point, if there is something you find unacceptable in popular culture, let the market speak: take your money elsewhere. :) |
It is propaganda; what is Lady Gaga's banner? So we know what to expect when we see them hit shelves. The truth is Mattel is crossing that line. No where in the history of the world has society changed the status quo until this last few years in the department of "equal" (special) rights for organizations that pump insane amount of money for their cause. Some blue states deem it right that kindergarten children be put through "acceptance" programs before they are even able to understand sexEd.
Children of this generation are the most experimented on with social issues that didn't even exist and the results of it are yet to be seen. What I do know is that testosterone is under attack. |
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or their gender, etc...? My... my head hurts... |
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