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VonPooten 07-08-2015 08:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Captain Nash (Post 607089)
ANother thing to consider is if Hasbro has the licenses for those characters and is just being encouraged by D/M to not make the figures, or if D/M has actually put a ban on those figures and Hasbro cannot even make them. It seems that D/M has pulled licenses for these characters from most companies but if there were any company that they'd want to "work with" it would be Hasbro. Hasbro's a pretty big company in its own right, and while you don't want to piss off your licensers, you also don't want to piss off a huge toy producer like that.
I think it's more likely to be the prior, as we're receiving the Magik figure but only as part of a five pack which overall promotes a Marvel Studios property (Doctor Strange). So in that regard I reckon your BAF idea could work! While a wave could have Rogue as the BAF, the series would be officially an Avengers one, which would promote that property. I'd be up for that!

Whether I'd want to buy 7 D-list Avengers to get an A-list X-Men character though is the debatable part (they're going to run out of A/B-list Avengers reaaaal fast at the rate they're going).

Captain Nash 07-08-2015 08:41 AM
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Originally Posted by VonPooten (Post 607101)
I think it's more likely to be the prior, as we're receiving the Magik figure but only as part of a five pack which overall promotes a Marvel Studios property (Doctor Strange). So in that regard I reckon your BAF idea could work! While a wave could have Rogue as the BAF, the series would be officially an Avengers one, which would promote that property. I'd be up for that!

Whether I'd want to buy 7 D-list Avengers to get an A-list X-Men character though is the debatable part (they're going to run out of A/B-list Avengers reaaaal fast at the rate they're going).
Maybe Hasbro should hire me to revitalize the line. First wave under my reign: Polaris BAF! Maximus The Mad! Justice! Firestar! Iron Man! Iron Man (again!)! Thor! Silk! We'll also have character related pizza parties every Friday. Who doesn't want a Paste Pot Pete Pizza??? :D

JamesBenjamin 07-08-2015 08:56 AM
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Originally Posted by TheBigMachine (Post 607097)
Walgreens exclusive Marvel Legends O'Grady Antman
So all that supposed insider knowledge of there being a Daredevil from the Netflix show was pure BS then. I knew it sounded fishy when it was reported that it would be a whole wave exclusive to them.

redfox 07-08-2015 09:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Jmacq1 (Post 607060)
If there's a ban on FF/X-Men figures, it's coming from Disney, not Hasbro. The guys at the Q&A at SDCC can't do a thing about it in that case, and Disney's not going to care more about a group of adult toy collectors than they would handing Fox millions in free advertising by making X-Men and FF based products (and if specifically movie-products, then Fox even gets a direct cut of the Merchandise revenues).
I understand the chain of command. I just don't understand why this ban on FF/X-men figures have not been openly addressed. It has been treated so "hush hush" or like it doesn't even exist. I would just like to see it addressed by fans at the Q&A, so someone can explain the elephant in the room.

1987olds442 07-08-2015 09:13 AM
I added Ant-Man and Ultron to my movie universe Display.
http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/attach...1&d=1436371802

The Wrecking Crew finally together.
http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/attach...1&d=1436371802

donmeca2020 07-08-2015 09:14 AM
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Originally Posted by TheBigMachine (Post 607097)
Walgreens exclusive Marvel Legends O'Grady Antman
you beat me to it !!!

here's the link if anybody is interested. i'll have to jump on that one
2015 SDCC - Marvel AntMan Walgreens Exclusive Figure In Package Image - Marvel - MarvelousNews.com

never seen that costume before....

redfox 07-08-2015 09:31 AM
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Originally Posted by donmeca2020 (Post 607114)
never seen that costume before....
It's from Secret Avengers. Eric O'Grady (LMD) goes by Black Ant.

http://www.rapsheet.co.uk/Images/Cha...s/BlackAnt.jpg

https://tse2.mm.bing.net/th?id=JN.V6...SorAA&pid=15.1

VonPooten 07-08-2015 09:55 AM
^ Looking at that dialogue, sometimes Rick Remender is on-point, but sometimes he is just god-awful.

TheBlueMarvel 07-08-2015 10:30 AM
@VonPooten

After reading Uncanny Avengers, I find his writing to be pretty tedious. His personal views tend to surface in odd soliloquy-like observations. I say "soliloquy-like", because the character is usually talking to someone, despite the self-talk nature of what's actually being said. If I was a ruthless villain, or a hard-nosed hero, I wouldn't allow some idiot to prattle on about his/her personal musings while I patiently waited to cave-in their skull.

I have no problem with writers working their thoughts into stories or characters, provided that the author's sentiments are in keeping with the character in question and the flow of the story is uninterrupted. Remender often muddies the narrative with pedantic messages that represent his personal worldview. It sometimes takes multiple panels devoted solely to exposition just to convey some lofty and grandiose pontification. I actually agree with most of his observations, however, the clumsy (at times) presentation has me often rolling my eyes.

VonPooten 07-08-2015 10:49 AM
BlueMarvel, I couldn't agree more. Remender is at often times a sophisticated writer with a moving and perceptive message, however he has a tendency to, as you said, get carried away in his own voice. When done correctly, it can work significantly to the comic's advantage, but Remender has had quite a few meandering splurges of "Remender's Views" through the voice of a character.

An example of this done well would be Kitty Pryde's speech on being Jewish in All-New X-Men. This was clearly Bendis' personal reaction to Remender's "don't call me a mutant" fiasco, but it was framed in a way which seemed like a realistic and plausible thing for Kitty to say.

Annnnyway, on the Black-Ant note, while I felt that Remender's Secret Avengers was pretty poor, I like Eric O'Grady and this look is nice, so he'll be a buy for me.
Anyone else thinking that this is prepping for a comic Scott Lang announcement with the same sculpt?

warmachine6 07-08-2015 11:10 AM
for the SDCC voting thing it seems we might get 4 different ones maybe depending on the voting

Jmacq1 07-08-2015 11:14 AM
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Originally Posted by redfox (Post 607112)
I understand the chain of command. I just don't understand why this ban on FF/X-men figures have not been openly addressed. It has been treated so "hush hush" or like it doesn't even exist. I would just like to see it addressed by fans at the Q&A, so someone can explain the elephant in the room.
Purely speculation on my part, but I'm guessing it's something like this:

Officially, there's no ban.

Unofficially, Disney has made it clear that they don't want their licensees making FF and X-Men based products. Generally speaking, the licensees will do what Disney wants so that they don't lose the license the next time it comes up for bid.

Unofficially, Disney has also likely made it clear that the licensees are not to mention any of this to the public, so that Disney isn't "officially" painted as the bad guys.

Like I said, dirty business. It's worth asking, I'm just saying that the elephant in the room will at best be answered with corporate doublespeak: "Oh don't be silly, there's no ban on X-Men and FF. **Nervous laughter** No, we've just purely coincidentally decided that for now our focus should be on other characters to take advantage of the great synergistic marketing of the Marvel Cinematic Universe and maximize the profit structure for the outside-the-box thinking necessary to propel our enterprise management forward into the 21st century."

(Probably not that bad, but you get the picture. They'll never SAY there's a ban. Because technically there isn't. Except there totally is.)

For the record, I didn't believe in the ban until quite recently, when it became painfully apparent that it was happening across pretty much all Marvel licensees.

Captain Nash 07-08-2015 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Jmacq1 (Post 607145)
Purely speculation on my part, but I'm guessing it's something like this:

Officially, there's no ban.

Unofficially, Disney has made it clear that they don't want their licensees making FF and X-Men based products. Generally speaking, the licensees will do what Disney wants so that they don't lose the license the next time it comes up for bid.

Unofficially, Disney has also likely made it clear that the licensees are not to mention any of this to the public, so that Disney isn't "officially" painted as the bad guys.

Like I said, dirty business. It's worth asking, I'm just saying that the elephant in the room will at best be answered with corporate doublespeak: "Oh don't be silly, there's no ban on X-Men and FF. **Nervous laughter** No, we've just purely coincidentally decided that for now our focus should be on other characters to take advantage of the great synergistic marketing of the Marvel Cinematic Universe and maximize the profit structure for the outside-the-box thinking necessary to propel our enterprise management forward into the 21st century."

(Probably not that bad, but you get the picture. They'll never SAY there's a ban. Because technically there isn't. Except there totally is.)

For the record, I didn't believe in the ban until quite recently, when it became painfully apparent that it was happening across pretty much all Marvel licensees.
pretty much all of this, and as you say it's not worth asking. Though Hasbro may put out one X-Man related person a year (marketing with something else ala Magik this year) to show there's "no ban" and technically they'd be correct. It wouldn't be a ban it would be a severe encouragement to not producing anything but a "not a ban!" figure.*

* Deadpool and Wolverine may be exceptions though. Hard to tell on those.

Jmacq1 07-08-2015 11:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Captain Nash (Post 607089)
I think raising questions to Hasbro about X-Men/F4 figures can either be a good or a bad thing, depending on how it's done. If it's not done in a needling way but purely out of love for the characters I think that's fine.

ANother thing to consider is if Hasbro has the licenses for those characters and is just being encouraged by D/M to not make the figures, or if D/M has actually put a ban on those figures and Hasbro cannot even make them. It seems that D/M has pulled licenses for these characters from most companies but if there were any company that they'd want to "work with" it would be Hasbro. Hasbro's a pretty big company in its own right, and while you don't want to piss off your licensers, you also don't want to piss off a huge toy producer like that.

So if they are just encouraged to not make those figures but do have the licenses, there's still a chance they could go against the grain and release very limited selections. On the other hand if it's an outright ban and they don't have the licenses, there's no chance.

It would just be very interesting to know the behind the scenes on this particular agreement but I know that will not be something we ever learn.

A thought I had this morning, what if X-Men and F4 figures were made as the BAF. If fans of those characters wanted them they would "have" to buy 5-7 figures of other property characters to complete them. That might be a win- for both D/M and Hasbro, and something of both a win and a loss for us.
Total assets of Walt Disney Company: Roughly 84 Billion Dollars.

Total assets of Hasbro: Roughly 4.25 Billion.

Disney could buy Hasbro nearly twenty times over. They have NOTHING to worry about when it comes to making them mad. If Hasbro gets mad, Disney just gives their licenses to Mattel in the next go-round, and Hasbro's stock goes into a tailspin with the loss of the Star Wars and Marvel licenses.

Disney's got pretty much all the power in the relationship.

Captain Nash 07-08-2015 11:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Jmacq1 (Post 607150)
Total assets of Walt Disney Company: Roughly 84 Billion Dollars.

Total assets of Hasbro: Roughly 4.25 Billion.

Disney could buy Hasbro nearly twenty times over. They have NOTHING to worry about when it comes to making them mad. If Hasbro gets mad, Disney just gives their licenses to Mattel in the next go-round, and Hasbro's stock goes into a tailspin with the loss of the Star Wars and Marvel licenses.
Maybe Disney has secretly bought Hasbro. :eek:

Jmacq1 07-08-2015 11:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Captain Nash (Post 607151)
Maybe Disney has secretly bought Hasbro. :eek:
:p Let's not get THAT rumor started again. Hehe.

Especially since I'm pretty sure buying it "secretly" would be illegal and get Disney in a whole lotta trouble once it became public.

To say nothing of the massive number of lawsuits from their shareholders/stockholders.

Hasbro could survive without Disney. It'd just be a considerably smaller company, particularly in the boys' toys department (though it would probably lead to a major attempt to revitalize G.I. Joe).

Captain Nash 07-08-2015 11:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Jmacq1 (Post 607152)
:p Let's not get THAT rumor started again. Hehe.

Especially since I'm pretty sure buying it "secretly" would be illegal and get Disney in a whole lotta trouble once it became public.

To say nothing of the massive number of lawsuits from their shareholders/stockholders.

Hasbro could survive without Disney. It'd just be a considerably smaller company, particularly in the boys' toys department (though it would probably lead to a major attempt to revitalize G.I. Joe).
This is how rumors get started. :p Of course I was joking but someone would think it might actually be true.

And yeah I agree Disney holds the power but if they go around treating all their licensees like crap, eventually future potential licenses would be weary enough that money might not be as important as customer reputation. I dunno though,....businesses are in the business to make money.

donmeca2020 07-08-2015 12:11 PM
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Originally Posted by VonPooten (Post 607139)
BlueMarvel, I couldn't agree more. Remender is at often times a sophisticated writer with a moving and perceptive message, however he has a tendency to, as you said, get carried away in his own voice. When done correctly, it can work significantly to the comic's advantage, but Remender has had quite a few meandering splurges of "Remender's Views" through the voice of a character.

An example of this done well would be Kitty Pryde's speech on being Jewish in All-New X-Men. This was clearly Bendis' personal reaction to Remender's "don't call me a mutant" fiasco, but it was framed in a way which seemed like a realistic and plausible thing for Kitty to say.

Annnnyway, on the Black-Ant note, while I felt that Remender's Secret Avengers was pretty poor, I like Eric O'Grady and this look is nice, so he'll be a buy for me.
Anyone else thinking that this is prepping for a comic Scott Lang announcement with the same sculpt?
i would so jump on a comic scott lang legend. i loved the past series that just ended and wished it didnt end but secret wars has effected all titles unforunately.

T16skyhopp 07-08-2015 01:31 PM

Byrnes 07-08-2015 01:33 PM
Sweet. Does the Con open today for some people then?

KcKilla 07-08-2015 01:39 PM
Has anyone seen this bootleg (legends?) movie Hawkeye on the bay? For 5.99 shipped, I bit. The name of the auction is "Avengers 2 Age of Ultron Hawkeye 6.5'' Figure clearance sale", let me know what you guys think.

Dr Kain 07-08-2015 01:52 PM
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Originally Posted by T16skyhopp (Post 607185)
Oh son of a bitch!!! Why couldn't they give that alternate head to the other one?

kylactus 07-08-2015 01:53 PM

jedirulz123 07-08-2015 01:55 PM
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Originally Posted by KcKilla (Post 607187)
Has anyone seen this bootleg (legends?) movie Hawkeye on the bay? For 5.99 shipped, I bit. The name of the auction is "Avengers 2 Age of Ultron Hawkeye 6.5'' Figure clearance sale", let me know what you guys think.
That's not bad at all. If it's as good as the knock off Hulkbuster, then it's a great stand in

jwyss234 07-08-2015 01:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Byrnes (Post 607186)
Sweet. Does the Con open today for some people then?
Tonight is a preview night. I'd say the guy is there helping to set up. Also, it looks like a classic Hulk card back to the upper right of DD.


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