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Captain Nash 10-25-2011 04:22 PM
What a difficult question. Best Marvel Villain would either be Doom or Magneto as well rounded characters. However, that doesn't mean they would be the biggest threats. Thanos, Ultron more likely would be.

However, I think that a well-written, well executed storyline would also raise Apocalypse to this level. He really needs to be the center of a Marvel Event - "Apocalypse Now" written by someone other than anyone who has written him in the last 15 years.

D00MTR0N 10-25-2011 04:53 PM
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Originally Posted by CLASSIFIED (Post 188246)
Did you see Doom is Evil-Richards slave in the most recent issue of FF?
yeah,we will see how long that lasts,prolly a Doombot anyway.

Tiberius 10-25-2011 04:54 PM
LOL. Man oh man, it's always a Doombot. Fucking LOVE Doom.

D00MTR0N 10-25-2011 04:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Tiberius (Post 188289)
LOL. Man oh man, it's always a Doombot. Fucking LOVE Doom.
wanna know the freaky thing,I thought of this awhile ago while reading a Doom comic,what if they are all Doombots and the real Victor Von Doom is not even around ?*cue twilight zone music*

Tiberius 10-25-2011 05:03 PM
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Originally Posted by D00MTR0N (Post 188292)
wanna know the freaky thing,I thought of this awhile ago while reading a Doom comic,what if they are all Doombots and the real Victor Von Doom is not even around ?*cue twilight zone music*
Haha, Doom is to god damn clever, way to god damn clever. I REALLY want a House of Doom event to happen next summer.

D00MTR0N 10-25-2011 05:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Tiberius (Post 188298)
Haha, Doom is to god damn clever, way to god damn clever. I REALLY want a House of Doom event to happen next summer.
are you basing that off the old house of m run?

Tiberius 10-25-2011 05:44 PM
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are you basing that off the old house of m run?
Yes and No. House of M is one of my favorite events in the MU, and Dooms F4 was badass. With Doom being engaged to Scarlet Witch, whats to say he tricks her into giving him everything he ever wanted?

RexLewis85 10-25-2011 06:22 PM
Gotta go with Thanos threat wise...as far as who my absolute fave is though, gotta go with my boy Doom

D00MTR0N 10-25-2011 06:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Tiberius (Post 188325)
and Dooms F4 was badass.
what^ lol...

Tiberius 10-25-2011 06:43 PM

D00MTR0N 10-25-2011 06:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Tiberius (Post 188361)
I think I have some of that run,how many issues were there?

Tiberius 10-25-2011 06:45 PM
3. It was awsome. House of M was awsome. Going to read that again soon.

D00MTR0N 10-25-2011 06:47 PM
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3. It was awsome. House of M was awsome. Going to read that again soon.
yeah I may have to myself,I think I have all 3,I hope :/

trebleshot 10-26-2011 02:23 PM
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Originally Posted by D00MTR0N (Post 188049)
forgive my ignorrance but I am not schooled on the beyonder,so what you are saying is that the beyonder is the cosmic cube?or "a" cosmic cube,seriously,I lack in knowledge in this area.
The Beyonder was originally supposed to be a cosmic entity created out the escaped energy of a pocket dimension. That "event" was also supposed to be how the Molecule Man got his powers, since he was the one who opened a gateway to the pocket dimension.

But, when Marvel's management changed hands between Secret Wars II and III, the writers were told to get rid of him. So they retconned his origin (and Molecule Man's) to say that it was a cosmic cube that had somehow gained sentinence, along with giving Molecule Man his powers. And apparently, the other cosmic beings (Living Tribrunal, Galactus, et. al.) went along with the Beyonder's apparent "omnipotence" to in order to ease his transition into a sentient being.

Basically it was a big FU to Jim Shooter (who created Beyonder while EiC of Marvel).

And yes, there is more than one Cosmic Cube. Technically, the Cube itself is a containment device for an omnidimentional type of energy. Such containment devices aren't always in the shape of a cube, either. And according to Marvel, after an unspecified time the contained energy eventually gains sentience and bases its overall personality on a composite of whomever it came in contact with while still a cube.

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The Beyonder isn't really a cosmic cube he is the embodiment of all of reality, and if you don't believe me then just ask Jim Shooter.
I'm sure Jim wishes that was still the case. ;)

Of course, Marvel would never retcon a retcon.

...oh, wait.

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I'm changing my answer to Molecule Man then.
I think Franklin Richards could take him.

solo0525 10-26-2011 02:37 PM
I really like Thanos and hes inifinty gauntlet

CLASSIFIED 10-26-2011 03:04 PM
@Trebleshot

FYI Franklyn Richards isn't a super villain... yet!

Imagine if Franklyn Richards grew up to be the Beyonder, I mean The Beyonder did take the form of Steve Rogers when he first came to Earth, or maybe that was just a buff Franklyn Richards?

Either way, make mine Marvel.

Shawn Woodbeck 10-26-2011 05:58 PM
Gravition and/or Molecule Man. With Molecule Man they'd have to give him a spine in order to do some REAL damage. Absorbing Man would be awesome if he wasn't portrayed as a moron.

Jason Abbadon 10-26-2011 06:08 PM
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Originally Posted by trebleshot (Post 188871)
The Beyonder was originally supposed to be a cosmic entity created out the escaped energy of a pocket dimension. That "event" was also supposed to be how the Molecule Man got his powers, since he was the one who opened a gateway to the pocket dimension.

But, when Marvel's management changed hands between Secret Wars II and III, the writers were told to get rid of him. So they retconned his origin (and Molecule Man's) to say that it was a cosmic cube that had somehow gained sentinence, along with giving Molecule Man his powers. And apparently, the other cosmic beings (Living Tribrunal, Galactus, et. al.) went along with the Beyonder's apparent "omnipotence" to in order to ease his transition into a sentient being.

Basically it was a big FU to Jim Shooter (who created Beyonder while EiC of Marvel).

And yes, there is more than one Cosmic Cube. Technically, the Cube itself is a containment device for an omnidimentional type of energy. Such containment devices aren't always in the shape of a cube, either. And according to Marvel, after an unspecified time the contained energy eventually gains sentience and bases its overall personality on a composite of whomever it came in contact with while still a cube.



I'm sure Jim wishes that was still the case. ;)

Of course, Marvel would never retcon a retcon.

...oh, wait.



I think Franklin Richards could take him.
The Beyonder has (somehow) been retconned yet AGAIN (in Illumaniti) to be an Inhuman Mutant that got exposed to the Terrigen Mists and went super-cosmic: this seeems to happen in the future as Black Bolt was present, but has o memory of it happening and time-travel means zip to the Beyonder.

A strange cocept and fans really hated it so Bendis seems to have dropped presuing the idea.

The issue itself was excellent though- a great showing for namor and Black Bolt and when the Beyonder grants the Illumaniti their greatest wish, Doctor Strange wakes up in bed- with Clea and the Scarlett Witch!

Gotta say, that's a pretty good damn wish.

While I looove me some Thanos, I have to add Gorgon to this list- his first outing saw him easily kill Wolverine and Electra.
Really, the guy's got a slew of powers- some form of telepathy, healing factor, super speed reflexes, enhanced endurance, and strength...and a utan power that turns people to stine when he looks at them.
Half the time he fists with a freakin blindfold on!

Oh, and he's been to hell and back- twice. So he fears nothing: fear and phobia powers dont work on him- nor telepathic attacks.
http://marvelcomic.pl/comics/wolveri...ol._3_31@p.jpg

D00MTR0N 10-26-2011 06:35 PM
thanks jason and trebleshot for the beyonder info.

CLASSIFIED 10-26-2011 06:39 PM
Sounds like the Beyonder is back on the table for best Marvel villain.

Did I win the thread?

D00MTR0N 10-26-2011 06:43 PM
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Originally Posted by CLASSIFIED (Post 189085)
Sounds like the Beyonder is back on the table for best Marvel villain.

Did I win the thread?
not if Doom and I have anything to say about it! :P

CLASSIFIED 10-26-2011 06:47 PM
Unfortunately whether Doom has something to say about it or not is moot so long as Evil-Reed has that inhibitor collar on him.

Oh, yeah, I went there.

D00MTR0N 10-26-2011 06:56 PM
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Originally Posted by CLASSIFIED (Post 189100)
Unfortunately whether Doom has something to say about it or not is moot so long as Evil-Reed has that inhibitor collar on him.

Oh, yeah, I went there.
why you...

trebleshot 10-27-2011 06:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Jason Abbadon (Post 189054)
The Beyonder has (somehow) been retconned yet AGAIN (in Illumaniti) to be an Inhuman Mutant that got exposed to the Terrigen Mists and went super-cosmic: this seeems to happen in the future as Black Bolt was present, but has o memory of it happening and time-travel means zip to the Beyonder.

A strange cocept and fans really hated it so Bendis seems to have dropped presuing the idea.
Yeah, I remember reading about the Illuminati retcon (hence my comment about retcons), but I thought they were playing it off now as another mind trick from the Beyonder.

I agree it's a stupid idea. IIRC Inhumans could not be mutants because they aren't human to begin with. Having an Inhuman become a mutant too is like drilling holes in swiss cheese.

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While I looove me some Thanos, I have to add Gorgon to this list- his first outing saw him easily kill Wolverine and Electra.
Really, the guy's got a slew of powers- some form of telepathy, healing factor, super speed reflexes, enhanced endurance, and strength...and a utan power that turns people to stine when he looks at them.
Half the time he fists with a freakin blindfold on!

Oh, and he's been to hell and back- twice. So he fears nothing: fear and phobia powers dont work on him- nor telepathic attacks.
Good choice. Completely forgot about him.

Optimus Vader 10-27-2011 07:10 AM
The biggest threat that I know of (I don't know every character) would probably be Galactus.. or maybe Thanos, but my favorite is easily Magneto. Love the back story, love the ongoing "is he really bad or just so passionate about his mutant dream?" And he'll fuck you up.


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