The problem is being on “one side” with everything. Group think and hysterics are a terrible mix. Who is dying, what are the issues, how do we solve the problems that have you this critically stressed?

Listen the fuck up nerd, I am trans, you are, presumably, not trans and the majority of comicsgate/fandom menace fashy type fuckers definitely aren't.

People like Gina dehumanise people like *me*. Not people like you. You can both sides this shit because IT DOESN'T AFFECT YOU. i don't give a shit about your "transsexual" family member, the fact you use terminology that's been outdated for at least 10 years tells me all i need to know about how much of a shit you give here.

Even the language you use here "You come off as someone with some issue who will never be satisifed" - this is some more dehumanising bullshit. It's not like I have any real problems, like my rights are affected, like I have 2 dead trans friends to murder and suicide.

It's all in my head, all my fault, because that way you don't have to give a shit. If it turns out trans people actually go through a lot of shit then it flings your both sides bullshit out the window because there's no equal platform anymore. And are you really going to claim being Goth is the same as being trans? How fucking out of touch are you? I can account for both and no it isn't.

What you just said is "trans oppression doesn't exist". And the only reason to say that, is if you don't give a shit about it, or you want it to continue as-is without people paying attention to it. So you're every bit as bad as Gina. If you had any human decency you would *listen* to the people affected instead of weaponising family members to suit your agenda, because you view them as things, not people.

Turning off the news won't bring my dead friends back, idiot. What a fucking shitty disrespectful thing to say. It's not me or "the news" that's dividing people it's people who refuse to listen to those who are either affected, or who know what the fuck they're talking about(Imagine how different Covid would have played out if people like Gina hadn't spread the shit they did? Thousands upon thousands of lives would be still with us) and the rich fucks manipulating the masses/spreading shit to keep people divided.

And no, that shit doesn't entail things like "Covid is real" or "trans rights is good". This both sides, false equivalence shit IS and has been peddled by conservatives and extremists looking to gain back ground in the culture wars by making their outdated, unscientific, exclusionary beliefs look valid.

You saying DON'T TELL ME WHAT TO DO is making this whole shit - OTHER PEOPLE'S ISSUES entirely about you when you don't even fucking understand them. It's pathetic and entitled.

Don't you fucking *dare* pull this on someone about *THEIR* issues and then pull this dOn'T tElL mE wHat tO Do shit.

"this critically stressed"

i am sorry but being critically stressed in an epidemic(both an actual one and of hatred/anti-trans/fascist shit) is the normal response do you want to reword this

When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser. Your issues are beyond me. The things you can pull out of my words is nothing short of amazing. I have spent enough time around angry hateful people .Good luck in your life. God luck with toys, I hope you get your want list.

I thought a conversation could be had about the “ cara dune figure issue” and perhaps an understanding of people’s feelings on the subject. I have nothing else to offer in this tread, and I have no interest in cursing or conversing with heated people.

the fact that you say "Well said sir" is a pretty blatant indicator that you have a strong bias to people like you to begin with yet you think this is about being open minded and hearing both sides.

You were never interested in hearing my side at all. even though it's only side being shat on and killed.

You were incredibly disrespectful of trans issues, weaponised trans family members and pretty much said that trans people didn't exist.

How can there be respectful debate under those circumstances?

This is EXACTLY what I'm talking about - you expect people who aren't you to put up with constant dehumanisation and get mad when they lash back at it.

Being rude isn't the same as outright dismissing the experiences of an entire group.

The very fact you call me "angry hateful people" is to frame me as just as bad as people who've bullied me, killed my friends, and run political projects against my very existence. Can you please, for one second, everything else aside, take a step back and see how hurtful and malicious that is? It confirms everything I said.

It's a rotten, horrible, disrespcetful thing to do and no matter how rude I got with you, it doesn't excuse that sort of casual cruelty.

It's bad and wrong, and you should apologise for it. If you can't show basic respect for other people's issues you can't expect people to use nice language back to you. You can't demand the people you're hurting wrap their words up in a bow.

because i don't think you care enough about other people to read longer posts:

What you said here was incredibly cruel and dismissive. pretending that people who've dealt with discrimination and violence based on their identity are some as bad or worse than their oppressors is incredibly cruel.

Telling a black person they're just as bad as the KKK for getting mad over racism, or calling a jewish person a Nazi for getting mad at antisemitism. This is the same thing.

What you did was a bad thing, and if you're really such a level headed guy you'd recognise that and apologise. That's much worse any amount of rudeness.

there's a whole generation of trans kids in the UK that are now forced to come off puberty blockers, girls who've presented as girls at school all their lives who's voices will suddenly drop, who'll grow facial hair, very many of whom will likely end up killing themselves.

That cannot be undone. Transphobes in the UK have worked to erase trans people and succeeded.

Theres an easy fix to any problem........
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I’m sorry if that is how you took it that was not my intention. I said well said sir because I agreed that we should be open to hearing both sides and making up our own minds. I actually believe in inclusion and a persons right to live their life however they see fit regardless others opinions. At no point did I say I agreed with anyone’s negative views on Trans issues. Everyone deserves to be happy and live their truth.

I’m good, and I worded my response adequately. I completely understand there is a pandemic, but I’ve been working out in the public with it from day-1, hopefully the vaccines help get us back to normal soon.

I respect your right to live however you choose, and wish you nothing but the best in life. I don’t think the majority of people who disagree with the trans-lifestyle wish anyone death. There’s always an extreme to every view, but I would think even the most evangelical of groups would wish you peace and grace in life. This lifestyle is being more accepted as the years go on, and Caitlyn Jenner has done a lot to bring light to the issue.

Trust me, it could certainly be worse. You could be a Uyghur in China right now.

We should all understand that not everyone has to turn on the news to present examples of hate because they experience an influx of discrimination and pain at a crushing rate.

The rest of us being indoctrinated and manipulated should be a lot angrier that the powers that be consider us the pawns in their game. We should be a lot less ok with what we let slide.

Because the question was asked - transgender men and women face the threat of violence and death in many communities around the world. Some of the most dangerous places to live for the trans community include destinations well known as popular tourist locations and the related information concerning the threats presented isn't difficult to find: https://www.williamrchase.com/post/t...e-transgender/

As mentioned by other posters, the scope of aggression and marginalization faced by our transgender neighbors can involve murder, suicide, and denial of access to appropriate healthcare services in conjunction with intense bigotry. Information related to the rise in perils faced by the transgender community is also readily available even when employing the most cursory of Google searches:

https://www.hrc.org/resources/violen...munity-in-2019

https://transequality.org/blog/murde...t-seven-months

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/ne...-from-covid19/

Being the object of dangerously oppressive and intolerant circumstances can create conditions of PTSD, among other negative health related repercussions (both psychological and physiological in nature). Gina's insensitive (I'm being generous here) comments demonstrate how ubiquitous and easily disseminated hate can be. As also mentioned by other posters, hateful speech and/or opinion isn't meritorious nor deserving of a platform.

Empathy has been bandied about on this thread a few times. Empathy and emotional intelligence are practiced skills; some people can naturally have an abundance of both, but most of us have to work at the skillset.

I'm gonna leave a couple of things here that were said by a philosopher who summed up the REAL problem we face beautifully:

"That’s all the media and the politicians are ever talking about: the things that separate us, things that make us different from one another. That’s the way the ruling class operates in any society: they try to divide the rest of the people; they keep the lower and the middle classes fighting with each other so that they, the rich, can run off with all the fucking money. Fairly simple thing... happens to work. You know, anything different, that’s what they’re gonna talk about: race, religion, ethnic and national background, jobs, income, education, social status, sexuality, anything they can do to keep us fighting with each other so that they can keep going to the bank. You know how I describe the economic and social classes in this country? The upper class keeps all of the money, pays none of the taxes. The middle class pays all of the taxes, does all of the work. The poor are there just to scare the shit out of the middle class... keep 'em showing up at those jobs."

"...But there’s a reason. There’s a reason. There’s a reason for this, there’s a reason education SUCKS, and it’s the same reason it will never, ever, EVER be fixed.

It’s never going to get any better, don’t look for it, be happy with what you’ve got.

Because the owners of this country don't want that. I'm talking about the real owners now, the BIG owners! The Wealthy… the REAL owners! The big wealthy business interests that control things and make all the important decisions.

Forget the politicians. They are irrelevant. The politicians are put there to give you the idea that you have freedom of choice. You don't. You have no choice! You have OWNERS! They OWN YOU. They own everything. They own all the important land. They own and control the corporations. They’ve long since bought, and paid for the Senate, the Congress, the state houses, the city halls, they got the judges in their back pockets and they own all the big media companies, so they control just about all of the news and information you get to hear. They got you by the balls.

They spend billions of dollars every year lobbying. Lobbying to get what they want. Well, we know what they want. They want more for themselves and less for everybody else, but I'll tell you what they don’t want:

They don’t want a population of citizens capable of critical thinking. They don’t want well informed, well educated people capable of critical thinking. They’re not interested in that. That doesn’t help them. That's against their interests.

That's right. They don’t want people who are smart enough to sit around a kitchen table and think about how badly they’re getting fucked by a system that threw them overboard 30 fucking years ago. They don’t want that!

You know what they want? They want obedient workers. Obedient workers, people who are just smart enough to run the machines and do the paperwork. And just dumb enough to passively accept all these increasingly shittier jobs with the lower pay, the longer hours, the reduced benefits, the end of overtime and vanishing pension that disappears the minute you go to collect it, and now they’re coming for your Social Security money. They want your retirement money. They want it back so they can give it to their criminal friends on Wall Street, and you know something? They’ll get it. They’ll get it all from you sooner or later cause they own this fucking place! It's a big club, and you ain’t in it! You, and I, are not in the big club.

By the way, it's the same big club they use to beat you over the head with all day long when they tell you what to believe. All day long beating you over the head with their media telling you what to believe, what to think and what to buy. The table has tilted folks. The game is rigged and nobody seems to notice. Nobody seems to care! Good honest hard-working people; white collar, blue collar it doesn’t matter what color shirt you have on. Good honest hard-working people continue, these are people of modest means, continue to elect these rich cocksuckers who don’t give a fuck about you….they don’t give a fuck about you… they don’t give a FUCK about you.

They don’t care about you at all… at all… AT ALL. And nobody seems to notice. Nobody seems to care. That's what the owners count on. The fact that Americans will probably remain willfully ignorant of the big red, white and blue dick thats being jammed up their assholes everyday, because the owners of this country know the truth:

It's called the American Dream, because you have to be asleep to believe it."

-George Carlin

can anyone provide a good source on all the actual posts carano put out that led to this? I've only seen some bits and hearsay, which I try to avoid putting too much stock in.

it's definitely sad to see this happen to a woman character in star wars, especially one that didn't have the same hollywood body-style.

But nobody can deny that she brought it on herself. A lot of us are exposed to a lot of misinformation and lies online, and it's our responsibility to do our research and find the truths. it doesn't take long to find the long history of violence on trans communities and the dark implications of anti-semitic art.

From what I have seen, Carano posted far too many dogwhistles and "oopsies" to plead ignorance. If she truly didn't intend to portray transphobia or anti-semitism, then we would've seen more action to show that.

and now she's been driven into the open arms of Ben Shapiro and the alt-right media machine. it's a shame nobody in her life was able to reach her before this, but it's nobody's fault but hers.

And all because she bought into the fear-mongering brainwashing that keeps us distracted from the real problem. As George Carlin pointed out, all this other stuff is subterfuge designed to keep us divided instead of focused on the systematic fleecing we all have in common.

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Additional reminder Gina posted this pretty blatantly antisemitic tweet most often used by neonazis

"who disagree with the trans lifestyle"

Fuck right off. What I disagree with the Cis lifestyle? What if I disagree with the Tall lifestyle?

And then you went on to be even more of dipshit curve WHAT ABOUT THE PEOPLE IN CAMPS IN CHINA yeah what about the kids in cages in the US, neither of these are close to your experience. I'm trans & muslim, which one of us is more likely to be rounded up, you fucking shitstain?

What was your thought process behind that? Like you'd already put yourself in the shitty human being category, why dig further? I don't need to "trust" you on any shit. I've worked with refugees. I've been to the open prisons they put asylum seekers here in Ireland(let alone what you do in the US). I've seen more shit than you have. Shut the fuck up.

Yes, I cannot stress enough that the Comedian who left the thread because I was being rude to them was pretty much saying trans discrimination did not exist and called me "full of hate" for getting mad at people who suggested that.

Like I literally said I lost two friends to murder and suicide and he just skipped over that? Like what an utter piece of shit. This goes way beyond politics into people getting a rush out of knowing they can be edgy/evil without consequences, which has been a problem with social media for far too long.

OK, ending here.

Left it open at first because it spawned from an actual toy industry aspect. But, it's moved on into a full socio political, real world discussion about multiple issues.

Not saying that shouldn't be discussed, just not here. From the rules:

Please stay on topic, and avoid this on the forums going forward. Feel free to report it if it pops up again.