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Exodus 07-06-2012 09:34 AM

Fyi...
Duh: 'The Amazing Spider-Man' Will Be a Trilogy

Spacemafia 07-06-2012 12:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheSymbiote (Post 317018)

Explain high school stuff

We hope they don't, we think it would kinda be too similar to the Lizard design wise, We think they should stay away from green for a while lol
Lizard, Green Goblin, Scorpion, and Mysterio are all green.

We have a huge 6 movie idea plan that we want to share but we don't know if we should.

Oh and we forgot to mention one thing we loved about the movie
THEY DIDN'T KILL THE LIZARD!
SM1-Green Goblin DEAD
SM2-Doc Ock DEAD
SM3-Venom DEAD- Harry DEAD- Sandman Alive? O_o

See thats what Im talking about.....I hate how the villians die. They are a rogues gallary for a reason....meaning they keep coming back.


The one thing Spiderman 3 did right was Peter beating Venom with his brain by using the metal pipes, but then they kill him....

Spacemafia 07-06-2012 12:24 PM

I just watched the end credit on youtube.....Im guessing electro.....Lighting is always followed by thunder....There was thunder twice. 1st time before the man appeared then before he disappeared.....

rodimus15 07-06-2012 12:40 PM

^^ I ws thinking that for a little also. Maybe electro is working for someone. But electro isnt that old is he? I believe its Norman, yet at the same time I feel like its someone bigger.

TheSymbiote 07-06-2012 02:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robogeek28 (Post 318003)
I went to see this with my dad the other day and just couldn't get into it, wish I could figure out why.

Do you like the other 3 better(We're gonna stop referring to them as "the originals")

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spacemafia (Post 318159)
I just watched the end credit on youtube.....Im guessing electro.....Lighting is always followed by thunder....There was thunder twice. 1st time before the man appeared then before he disappeared.....

At this point we think it could be anyone
Alistair or Spencer Smythe
Chameleon in a disguise
Doc Ock-From Youtube "It's Otto Octavius people. The video game and accent give it away."
Electro, but we doubt that
Hobgoblin
Jackal
Mysterio
Silvermane

Also from youtube

"Am I the only one mad because they cut out so many lines/scenes from the film, like.
"If you want the truth about your parents, come and get it."
"You're all part of a bigger plan."
"Do you really think what happened to you, was an accident?"
Seems like some important information got cut..."

Spacemafia 07-06-2012 03:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheSymbiote (Post 318229)

Do you like the other 3 better(We're gonna stop referring to them as "the originals")


At this point we think it could be anyone
Alistair or Spencer Smythe
Chameleon in a disguise
Doc Ock-From Youtube "It's Otto Octavius people. The video game and accent give it away."
Electro, but we doubt that
Hobgoblin
Jackal
Mysterio
Silvermane

Also from youtube

"Am I the only one mad because they cut out so many lines/scenes from the film, like.
"If you want the truth about your parents, come and get it."
"You're all part of a bigger plan."
"Do you really think what happened to you, was an accident?"
Seems like some important information got cut..."

During the events of the storyline "The Gauntlet", Electro became a living artificial thunderbolt, allowing him to travel through electrical appliances such as going through a light bulb and exiting through any other electronic device connected to the power source.

I doubt its Doc Ock....cant remember but I read some where Webb wants to avoid past villians..........


My take though....

Electro
Max Dillon, a former electrical engineer, gained the ability to manipulate electricity after being struck by lightning while working on a power line. Transforming himself into a living electrical capacitor, Electro is now one of Spider-Man's deadliest enemies. Given the large amounts of lightning in the post-credits scene, it would make complete sense if the silhouetted man turned out to be Electro.

Sandman
Escaped convict Flint Marko had his cells spliced with sand molecules due to radiation from a nuclear-weapon testing on an abandoned beach. Now, Flint's body is made of a sand-like substance, allowing him to duplicate himself and shape-shift. The silhouetted man in the post-credits scene had the incredible ability to disappear at a moment's notice, which could easily be explained if he was made of sand.

Mysterio
A former stuntman and special-effects artist, Quentin Beck uses his movie-magic knowhow to commit crimes and mess with Spider-Man. Donning a fish-bowl helmet and cape, Mysterio is the self-proclaimed master of illusion. He's also a skilled magician, hypnotist, chemist and engineer. The mysterious, silhouetted man might have been able to vanish into thin air, but what if he was never actually in the asylum in the first place? Maybe he was just an illusion.

Chameleon
Dmitri Smerdyakov gained his uncanny knack for disguises through his many years of service as a Russian spy. Utilizing a microcomputer on his belt buckle, Dmitri is able to change his appearance at the push of a button. The Chameleon is in fact the first major supervillain Spider-Man ever faced. With the ability to become anyone instantaneously, breaking into a heavily guarded asylum would prove to be quite a simple task for the Chameleon.

Norman Osborn
Better known as the Green Goblin, Norman Osborn is truly Peter Parker's greatest enemy. After an experiment gone horribly wrong, Osborn is granted superhuman abilities but is also driven completely insane. The fact that Osborn had been hinted at all throughout "The Amazing Spider-Man" makes me think that he would be the most logical choice to be the villain in the sequel. As for his little disappearing act? Let's just chalk that one up to stealthiness.

Rhys Ifans has already said its not Norman and I doubt its Osbourne as him becoming the green Goblin would be a film in itself.....plus he would need super human abilities to appear and disappear like that guy did....

For starters, if you pay attention to the scene, a bolt of lighting strikes just before the character mysteriously appears in Connors’ locked cell, and another bolt strikes just before he disappears. Fans who are familiar with the comics know that Electro essentially transports himself by “riding” electric currents, adding some significance to the stylish use of lighting in the mid-credits scene. Another reason we think that the Ultimate version of Electro may be in the works is that his origin story stems from the experimentation of bioengineering; a prominent theme that was already explored in The Amazing Spider-Man, particularly Osborne Industries.

Another logical reason why as to who we think this would be a choice villain for the confirmed sequel is that, besides the predictable (and repeat) choice of having Doctor Octopus appear in a sequel, it would also help to bring other characters into the universe that Sony currently owns. These other characters include Kingpin, Sandman, Kraven the Hunter, Green Goblin and Doctor Octopus, the majority of which make up the Ultimate Six, a powerful criminal team that faces off with Spider-Man in the Ultimate universe.

Robogeek28 07-06-2012 04:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheSymbiote (Post 318229)
Do you like the other 3 better(We're gonna stop referring to them as "the originals")

Not really, in fact if anything this felt like the same thing but just with different actors.


I guess I was spoiled by how awesome The Avengers movie was,lol.

Greenskar 07-06-2012 04:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robogeek28 (Post 318003)
I went to see this with my dad the other day and just couldn't get into it, wish I could figure out why.

http://i419.photobucket.com/albums/p...1616524964.jpg

The only logical explanation :p

synapse17 07-06-2012 06:32 PM

I haven't given this much thought but Electro does seem the only relevant choice. I mean unless Dr. Connors was talking to himself and hallucinating, this is the only other option. Who else could get in and out of a locked cell that fast? This and the addition of the lightning, who else could it be. The only other candidates would be Sandman, doubt it, and Hydro-Man. For the love of god don't let it be ether of these characters... But none of this mean the Green Goblin wont be in it as well.

But the one thing that is bothering me is that it seems everyone bad already knows Peters Spider-Man. Seems like our friendly neighborhood web-heads got a lot of heat coming his way.


I hope this is a 6 part movie series. It seems that they may do 3, all of witch leading up to the dreaded Brooklyn Bridge scene. This would leave so much more to still be explored. And would end on a bit of a sad note. Now they could leave it at that, but by the time they got to the 4th film, Raimi's efforts would be less relevant. Leading the way to a fresher take on some of the characters he had in his movie. MJ, Venom, and Dr. Oct. This would be my freaking dream come true.

To all those hating on this film, I just can't understand why...? This movie had so much going for it. And was done so well. I went in thinking it would be a mixed bag of awesome and WTF... But it was all kinds of awesome beginning to end. Grittier, darker, more real and less campy. The ethos of the origin was so much richer and the way they went about updating it was done very-well. Also the casting was vastly better, the special effects much better, and style was so freaking cool.

Everyones entitled to their own opinion of course, but I loved it. I could nit-pick this and that, but instead I opted to sit back and enjoy. Can't wait to see where things go from here.

Robogeek28 07-06-2012 06:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Greenskar (Post 318297)
http://i419.photobucket.com/albums/p...1616524964.jpg

The only logical explanation :p

Hahahahahahaha

rodimus15 07-06-2012 06:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by synapse17 (Post 318382)
But the one thing that is bothering me is that it seems everyone bad already knows Peters Spider-Man. Seems like our friendly neighborhood web-heads got a lot of heat coming his way.

Thats exactly how I feel. Thats what keeps leading me back to Norman. It's got to be someone bigger than a normal spidey villian.

The Man never really mentions Spidey either. He says "Did you tell the boy about hi father?". Which I think mean hes talking about Peter and not Spidey. He goes on to say "Good, we'll leave him be, for now". Again, I think he is still talking about Peter and not Spider-Man.

The man also seems to be an older gent. so I feel people like electro are out of the question (though the lightening does make sense). I just dont think Norman was the one that killed the Parkers. Has he been dying for 15 years? Rhys Ifans also said in an interview that it wasn't osborn. My head tells me Osborn, My gut tells me otherwise.

On another note, I don't think this is the last time we see the lizard...

MegaPrime33 07-06-2012 07:16 PM

Just saw it. I thought it was ok. Definitely entertaining. I thought Garfield was a better fit than Maguire as Spiderman. I honestly don't know who that was in Connors cell, but since they kept mentioning Osbourn and never showed him, my guess is it's him. Or at least him as the GG.

uberlad 07-06-2012 08:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by synapse17 (Post 318382)
To all those hating on this film, I just can't understand why...? This movie had so much going for it. And was done so well. I went in thinking it would be a mixed bag of awesome and WTF... But it was all kinds of awesome beginning to end. Grittier, darker, more real and less campy . The ethos of the origin was so much richer and the way they went about updating it was done very-well. Also the casting was vastly better, the special effects much better, and style was so freaking cool.

Everyones entitled to their own opinion of course, but I loved it. I could nit-pick this and that, but instead I opted to sit back and enjoy. Can't wait to see where things go from here.

When I think of Spider-man, your points of "grittier, darker, more real and less campy" are not the ways I would describe it. My whole issue with the film was Peter Parker, the cocky, arrogant, mouthbreather who steals his ideas and doesn't have any respect for Aunt May.

That made other flaws that I was more than willing to forgive in the original story stand out. Some standouts that made me roll my eyes:

Let's get all of the crane operators to save spidey three extra feet of web fluid. It doesn't matter that everyone's evacuating the city; they're down and waiting by their cranes for Rick to call.

The omniscient news reporter on the really crappy Daily Bugle News Channel: "Looks like Spidey's heading to the bridge. And his leg is hurt. And he had chinese for dinner and might have to make a pit stop along the way. And it doesn't look like he remembered his keys, so he might be locked out later tonight. Oh, but don't forget the eggs, Spidey. Don't forget the eggggs!"

Turning the lizard from a complex character with a family to protect into a one-note mad scientist.

The Captain Stacy death scene that's exactly the opposite of what it was in the comics.

Don't worry, Gwen. Spidey's a liar now. He doesn't care about responsibility or respect. He's about mouthbreathing and skateboarding. Oh yeah! He'll still sneak into your window for a lil' something, death-bed promises be darned.

All that said, the special effects were better, the fight scenes were solid, and I liked the mask much better than the other spider-man movies. So there were some positives.

uberlad 07-06-2012 08:58 PM

For the record, I want to state that I'm not one of those folks who demands that everything be like the comic books. The Avengers movie had a pretty see through plot, but they were still respectful of what those characters were about. They may have changed a few things in the Marvel movies, but almost all of it was done in a way that respected the source material, but wasn't a slave to the source material.

I don't think ASM does that, and that's where my major problem lies.

synapse17 07-06-2012 09:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by uberlad (Post 318450)
When I think of Spider-man, your points of "grittier, darker, more real and less campy" are not the ways I would describe it. My whole issue with the film was Peter Parker, the cocky, arrogant, mouthbreather who steals his ideas and doesn't have any respect for Aunt May.

That made other flaws that I was more than willing to forgive in the original story stand out. Some standouts that made me roll my eyes:

Let's get all of the crane operators to save spidey three extra feet of web fluid. It doesn't matter that everyone's evacuating the city; they're down and waiting by their cranes for Rick to call.

The omniscient news reporter on the really crappy Daily Bugle News Channel: "Looks like Spidey's heading to the bridge. And his leg is hurt. And he had chinese for dinner and might have to make a pit stop along the way. And it doesn't look like he remembered his keys, so he might be locked out later tonight. Oh, but don't forget the eggs, Spidey. Don't forget the eggggs!"

Turning the lizard from a complex character with a family to protect into a one-note mad scientist.

The Captain Stacy death scene that's exactly the opposite of what it was in the comics.

Don't worry, Gwen. Spidey's a liar now. He doesn't care about responsibility or respect. He's about mouthbreathing and skateboarding. Oh yeah! He'll still sneak into your window for a lil' something, death-bed promises be darned.

All that said, the special effects were better, the fight scenes were solid, and I liked the mask much better than the other spider-man movies. So there were some positives.




I forgot about the crane scene, that was a bit much I agree, I'll also say that it was bullshit that they killed Captain Stacy.

As to Peter being aragonite and not respecting aunt May. He's an awkward longtime bullied teen who just got super powers and found out information that was disturbing about his long dead parents. I think he was having a bit of a hard/confusing time adjusting. And I think the movie did a good job expressing this. if I just started developing special powers, I would probable stand up for myself too. Not realizing at the time the full existent of his powers or that he would have to hide his identity at some point in the future after deciding to become a super-hero. Also I think a loving and appreciative side of Peter's home live was there. All boats rock, and there were some big waves hitting this one.

Not sure what you mean with all the mouthbreather comments..?

The lizard could have had more depth. Maybe in future installments he'll be released and they'll revisit him and his family. I'm just not sure what people expect from a 2 hour movie. You can't explore every avenue to the extent of everyones liking.


You made some good points but others I think were a bit off base.

uberlad 07-06-2012 09:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by synapse17 (Post 318474)
Not sure what you mean with all the mouthbreather comments..?

In my real life, I'm a school teacher who sees mouth breathers all the time. Not a fan.

Urban Dictionary: mouth breather

synapse17 07-06-2012 10:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by uberlad (Post 318478)
In my real life, I'm a school teacher who sees mouth breathers all the time. Not a fan.

Urban Dictionary: mouth breather

Ha! I hope you don't hold it against them.

Iceman 07-06-2012 11:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by synapse17 (Post 318485)
Ha! I hope you don't hold it against them.

Yeah, cause these days its nearly half the population.

FrankCastle 07-07-2012 09:59 AM

Movie was great. Albeit not perfect... Still better than the raimi films imho

trebleshot 07-07-2012 11:05 AM

I don't think Peter was intentionally disrespectful to either Aunt May or Uncle Ben. Any time he disappointed them, he felt bad and it showed on-screen. And as others have pointed out, he did have a ton of shit to deal with, so it's understandable if he cracks under the pressure from time to time.

Isn't the reason Spider-Man has been so popular for all these years because he's flawed? Because he makes mistakes, yet takes responsibility for them and tries to make things right?

Quote:

Originally Posted by uberlad (Post 318478)
In my real life, I'm a school teacher who sees mouth breathers all the time. Not a fan.

Urban Dictionary: mouth breather

And that site is such a wonderful and totally objective source of accurate information. :rolleyes

Quote:

Originally Posted by Iceman (Post 318511)
Yeah, cause these days its nearly half the population.

No, all of the population are mouth-breathers. We all breathe through our mouths from time to time for various reasons. It's part of our biology and to use that as a derogative slur is frankly stupid, IMHO.

Sorry, I'm just sick of that being the go-to phrase to insult someone. It just does not make any sense to me.

synapse17 07-07-2012 11:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by trebleshot (Post 318670)
I don't think Peter was intentionally disrespectful to either Aunt May or Uncle Ben. Any time he disappointed them, he felt bad and it showed on-screen. And as others have pointed out, he did have a ton of shit to deal with, so it's understandable if he cracks under the pressure from time to time.

Isn't the reason Spider-Man has been so popular for all these years because he's flawed? Because he makes mistakes, yet takes responsibility for them and tries to make things right?

THANK YOU!!!:thumbs

I can't for the life of me see how others gloss over this FACT.

Even in the comics origin story Peter only realizes his powers should be a force for good after his selfishness allows a crime to happen just because he didn't get his way. This unfortunate decision directly leads to his uncles death.

Before this happened the only practical use of his powers were invested in trying to cash in.

Peter is not a saint. He is a flawed teen like all others just trying to figure things out.

Greenskar 07-07-2012 02:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by synapse17 (Post 318686)
THANK YOU!!!:thumbs

I can't for the life of me see how others gloss over this FACT.

Even in the comics origin story Peter only realizes his powers should be a force for good after his selfishness allows a crime to happen just because he didn't get his way. This unfortunate decision directly leads to his uncles death.

Before this happened the only practical use of his powers were invested in trying to cash in.

Peter is not a saint. He is a flawed teen like all others just trying to figure things out.


Have to agree with you and Trebleshot on this one. The best part about Spiderman is he's the most human of all the super heroes to me. Tony Stark may be the only actual Human out of the Heroes without actual powers that is still among Earth's mightiest because of his armor, but you can hardly call a billionaire playboy philanthropist "normal" or relatable for that matter.

Mastersteef 07-08-2012 08:25 PM

Went to see Spidey with my girl and my son and they both loved it....

...I liked it just fine but in terms of ranking it on a scale of enjoyment vs the previous trilogy I'd put it as:

1.) Spider-man
2.) Spider-man 2
3.)Amazing Spider-man
4.)Spider-man 3

Pros:
-Liked Lizard a lot more than I originally thought I would.
- Liked how Spidey actually fought more like a Spider (the "hallway cocoon" move was a fav)
- Enjoyed Pete's increased use of quips (though some were pretty "groan-worthy"
- And I really enjoyed Garfield's portrayal of Pete, though it was decidedly "Ultimate" universe inspired.

Cons:
- Web-shooters: Have always and will always hate them. Organic Webs are so much cooler and make so much more sense with the character. (plus Pete stole the freaking web tech from Oscorp as opposed to oh...MAKING IT HIMSELF! WTF!? )
- Lizard is simply not the kind of villain that should be carrying a whole movie by himself. To me he just didn't stack up against the likes of Goblin, Ock and yes...even Sandman. :/
- The whole movie felt like so much build-up....to the sequel. The origin story didn't need to be told again so soon (case in point, my 4yr old knows Spidey's origin from the original trilogy already and was confused as to where this movie took place chronologically)
- A lot of plot threads were teased...and then dropped entirely...it seemed like there were a lot of cut scenes in this movie.

Overall though, I enjoyed it. For me though the original Spidey was just so much more Epic and really took my breath away the first time I saw it as a kid, this one just didn't have anything in it that made me feel like "WOW" in quite the same way....Also, I really prefer Tobey's Peter as he seemed a lot more like 616 universe Peter who I relate to so much better.

I'd recommend this one to just about anyone though, and I'm interested to see what they do with a sequel. :)

(We gotta lose the freaking web-shooters though, have pete "evolve" organic webs somewhere down the line or something! Its a movie about Genetic splicing, make it happen!)

Onslaught 07-08-2012 08:48 PM

I have seen it twice now, and the 2nd screening was to simply confirm something I noticed missing from the movie.

No Spider-Sense. Yep, that's right.

I can't believe the producers and Marc Webb they would drop the ball like that, but damn, they did, and I found that hard to get past.

TheSymbiote 07-08-2012 09:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Onslaught (Post 319511)
I have seen it twice now, and the 2nd screening was to simply confirm something I noticed missing from the movie.

No Spider-Sense. Yep, that's right.

I can't believe the producers and Marc Webb they would drop the ball like that, but damn, they did, and I found that hard to get past.

Oh Shit! You just dropped a bomb!
lol we didn't even notcie that...................we kinda don't care too much honestly. it was still a great movie without it.


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