Will anyone ever need so much detail inside the car, maybe even all the leds. Most of the time it will be just sitting there in a cabinet or something similar.
I think costs could have been adjusted without compromising the awesome factor.
Why not even decrease price and increase backers? Could appeal to more people and still reach the backers goal. (not sure if it is just a matter of "lets get the least amount of fools to back this, work less and still get my $3mill)

Word!

Why Yes! Yes indeed.... I'm that person and we are sitting at roughly 37% funded in less than 24 hours so I'm not alone.

I'm surprised it hasn't been fully funded by now considering Sentinel and Galactus took a day.

I think the car is a lot.

Inflation is here, Hasbro also has investors, but as a fan, car looks nice, but not 350 dollars nice.

People will buy until they won't. I think this appeals to collectors who seek vehicles also. This seems like a slam dunk. Eventually hasbro will run out of sure fire as the fanbase shrinks.

I am someone who had every figure ever made during a 10 year span, but in 2020 or so that was it. I now pick and choose.

With figures being near 30...Spiderman, I have not even bothered. My breaking point was the increase, the poor packaging, and no longer able to display. I am not a moc collector, but something's I have that are just moc bc they look nice.

I am skipping Robbie, I always hoped Hasbro would give us Diorama cardboard backgrounds inside our window boxes to display our figures better, but instead of doing that, they just threw their hands up, focused on their ESG score and increased prices.

What exactly are you trying to sell me Bob?

You want to take away the interior detail and the LED lights?
That's breaking the immersion of putting the figure in a "real" car that is also supernaturally on fire as real fire glows and emits light.
This is like saying lets rid of the wheels, window.....hecks do they need a roof?


If you buy this thing and choose not to interact with it. This is not the product for you. Even if this was $100 I would tell you not to buy it.
You would not be getting any value out of it.

Decreasing price. Of course decreasing the price would potentially open it up to more buyers. But do remember that the Haslab exist because they don't think it can succeed in a bigger market(whether it be getting retailers to buy or getting enough individual customers).

End of the day though. The goal isn't to sell 50,000+ of these things. The goal is to sell in this case 9000. Then hit whatever final tier number. While not as problematic for Hasbro, you don't want to to have a final count that far exceeds a comfortable estimation.

Agreed, but the price is the problem.

How can NECA, who will put out a Turtles Van, make that for 100 dollars cheaper than this?

Without seeing the product, we know the Van will be better detailed, more paint apps, a little shorter, but taller....

I mean 100 dollars difference where NECA is the better choice.

Product is not for me either. Not mad, but agreed with most, it's overpriced.

If rumors are true, Hasbro is struggling because new characters are hurting their business, and what companies do, is pass on the cost to the actual fans.

It's not a coincidence, they released so many Spiderman's at once, with different paint apps.

Unfortunately, you the loyal customer, will be used to pay for the other failings and subpar figures Hasbro was forced to or chose to make.

^^^^^
100٪ this!
+ GREED!

The Party Wagon is overpriced, too, but that's likely to both offset the financial risk to a smaller company like NECA dropping major cash in tooling for a product with limited sales opportunities, and taking advantage of one of their few surefire licenses to help bolster their pocketbook and make their dream projects more practical.

But Hasbro isn't NECA. Hasbro could price-match the Turtle Van and still make $150 on each Charger, but that wouldn't get them their 75% profit margin.

Spider-Man's 60th is this year's subtheme, and not all that different than really any other year when it comes to multiple Spider-Man figures.

To my knowledge (I don’t buy NECA turtles) that vehicle does not include any figures, right? With this project, you’re paying for all the stretchgoals upfront, and they are all 6-inch figures.

So let's just say a figure costs 25 bucks. You have two already, Ghost Rider and Robbie. Let's assume there are 5 stretchgoals, that's 175 bucks total.

Which basically cuts the price in half and that's what the vehicle would've been. Or rather, What you’re seeing now, whiteout any extra figures besides Ghost Rider, would be 200 bucks. Still a lot, but much more manageable.

I really don’t like the stretchgoal figure system with Haslab. It puts unnecessary strain on the price of what they actually want to release, and in the worst case it locks figures some people desire behind a project they do not care for.

I would buy this at 200. I won’t buy it at 350 with figures sprinkled in I don’t want. Could I flip the other figures afterwards and make a good sum of money back? Surely. But I don’t want to, especially when it isn’t even guaranteed that the figures are actually included.

Also they said on Twitter the stretchgoal figures aren’t even necessarily Robbie Reyes related. Which makes me care even less.

I'm a bit curious about the numbers if I'm being honest. I often wondered about the business side of things but these numbers are insane.
From kickstarters I backed before a six inch figure should be between 6000 to 8000 dollars for sculpting, rough estimates used. I don't know the lisence fee that disney forces them to pay so i can't factor that in.
I also dont know how this is going to be in terms of finished product but ultimately they are asking for 3,150,000 to make this vehicle so how much profit are they ultimately making at the end?

These numbers are all vague estimates based on assumptions and standards that may not apply to this project or Hasbro, but... considering the reuse already in play, we're looking at maybe 20k for GR's tooling. The car looks to be about 100k, so about $15 per unit (at minimum funding) for tooling amortization, about $10 in raw materials, maybe $12-15 in labor, add 50% for shipping & additional costs, so roughly $60 per unit.

Last numbers I heard had Disney taking a 20% royalty on gross, which is $70 for every unit, leaving about $220 profit per unit for Hasbro, or $2 million in total. Anyone else, feel free to correct me.

This isnt really my cup of tea but also no way I need or want a big car especially that expensive . Im learning to pass on alot marvel legends this year so no biggie . What worries me is the now if the unlocks tiers are Mephisto or possibly Blackheart im going to have pay alot still because i will not pass on those characters . Feels like haslab baf rope in for me.

I think the people have spoken..that Hiss tank was great and I understood the cost (I think every one else did too) it met its early bird goal crazy fast. This one was plain Greed. I have seen alot of reaction ALL OVER the intranets and apps. The general reaction is Shock and Hell NO!/middle finger in the air. I have been taking screen shots daily of the backers/% increase. Not good..

I'll be surprised if this gets funded with out reveals of tears. We'll see.

To be fair, the G.I.Joe fans are thirsty for some 6" vehicles, and the HISS could be army built. And people still dissected and debated the cost. So compared to that, Robbie and his car were always going to face an uphill battle.

I agree with everything you say, so far…But, so far, the tiers have not been revealed…So, think the one that are interested in the HasLab project should take a wait and see approach…For instance, Galactus came with a lot of extras.

Note: I have been disappointed with the ML team lately, hopefully they will come through with this Ghost Rider project, but, let’s hope the ML team gives the ML fans more than what expected, and cross your fingers!

$350 is pretty steep price to pay without knowing the tiers. I would go for it if one of the tiers is a much nicer Psylocke figure or something :D Their previous one wasn't that great.

So I put in for the thing. But it's not worth it. Right now there's no way in hell I'd buy this thing. But that's the beauty of being able to cancel. I want us to get Robbie regular so I'm going in early. But what I really want is to see the stretch goals. Mephisto is the one and only thing that moves this into a yes for me. Anyone else is just icing on the cake. Shit I'll even take a Satana as I never got the last one. But if I see that it's barely going to make it or that it doesn't reach Mephisto I'll just ...peel out.

^You don’t have rationalize your decision to support the consensus of this community, dude. I know that we humans flock together and often succumb to the pressures to align with popularized notions, concepts, and fads, but fuck what anyone else thinks. If you can afford yourself this luxury (and make no mistake it’s ALL luxury; from $20 figures to Haslabs) and want it, there’s no shame in that.

Rest assured that Mephisto is going to be a tier. The character was opined about being part of this Haslab since the first couple of comments on this thread and he was teased in the promotional video. I’ve yet to see any figures not associated with Haslabs leaked during promotional media for the projects.

There’s nothing wrong with supporting this Haslab despite the initial reactions on social media. The complaints of corporate greed can be true and the Haslab can also be worth it (to enough fans) simultaneously. Exclusive tiers of Mephisto, Blackheart and Daimon Hellstrom will make this well worth my investment. And to boot, despite some of the druthers people have mentioned, the Hell Charger looks exactly as it should and the effects are well executed. I’d say leave Ketch out of the tiers to satisfy fans wanting the 90s version and plug the Marvel-Occult holes bible thumpers would be up upset about showing up at retail.

The fund is almost halfway there, we’ll see what happens.

From what I know the Hasbro Disney deals have been renegotiated. Hasbro is actually paying less bc Marvel is worth less as a tv brand.

It makes the Car price even more dubious.

Nothing can be done, just dont buy. That's my choice as I think Hasbro is now over pricing their Haslabs.

The first is the typical introductory price, and then they will keep upping the prices.

Your whole statement is contradictory. First its no one should be this about this and then you turn and around and make the same statements your postering against.

You are right! At least at the last part..And to anyone who is thinking that maybe this is a hiccup in pricing..This is the base line of corporate greed. It never drops below. IF it does its the unpopular clearanced fraction of a product run. Never the introductory price.

Well, life offers a host of contradictions, but philosophy aside, please tell me how I'm being contradictory in encouraging that one's decisions on how their money is spent needs no intellectualizing vs the general opinion of this thread. (Or others, for that matter) If someone determines that a Haslab is worth buying, for whatever reasons specific to them, how others feel is completely immaterial. Unless, of course, you are someone who looks to others to determine what to like/support/buy. (Which is a phenomenon I've noticed in the time I've been on the Ark and that's fine too, not the way I'd do it, but fine nonetheless) If that wasn't the contradiction in question then maybe you meant my comment about ubiquitous corporate greed vs this Haslab still representing value to "enough" fans (almost 4k so far). Those two concepts aren't mutually exclusive. This can represent greed/overreach while simultaneously being of value to some collectors.

I guess it's possible. However, unlikely. 'Phisto has nothing to do with Reyes' origin. I don't even think Reyes has ever dealt with Mephisto.

I think Mr. Hyde is almost guaranteed. He was the major villain in the Engines of Vengeance limited series and Hasbro already has the figure. Just give him a new head and other parts to resemble his look in the series. Another easy figure would be King Blaze. Possibly some of the Vampires Reyes has fought.