Originally Posted by nakobass (Post 199128)

Forget Where, What Kind of Proof do you want? Anything I tell you or show you, you will just dismiss it.

Originally Posted by D00MTR0N (Post 199131)

because we have talked about this right?show me your proof.

Originally Posted by nakobass (Post 199137)

What do you want, Video, First Hand Accounts, Proof on CNN and FOX? Sorry to disaapoint FEDup but the Meeting at the Nation Press Club is the Best Proof I can show you. If that's not, nothing short of an alien body will convince you, and I'm freah out of those.

Originally Posted by D00MTR0N (Post 199144)

I think the point here is its all what you believe,and the fact is there is no solid proof anywhere,no mans story will convince me of aliens nor anything for that matter,if you want to think they are out there then go for it,I will not think low of you for it,but on the other hand I am a skeptic,nothing in life is gospel without proof,if you say the moon is blue fine,but I want to see it first hand,no picture,no story,and thats the problem,unless these beings show themselves to all of us it will never be 100% accepted,ever.

Originally Posted by nakobass (Post 199149)

So you have to see it with your own eyes to even consider it. Fair Enough.
By that logic Micheal Jackson is alive, Giant Squids don't exist, Prison is a great place to visit because all the stories I hear are just made up. China doesn't exist either. I never seen any of those things with my own eyes, so people must be making it All up.

Will Smith exist, I actually met him, but he must not exist if you haven't seen him.

Originally Posted by D00MTR0N (Post 199155)

well lets use some of your examples,will smith,really?of course he is real,MJ is dead,it can be proven,giant squids have been proven,prison, I mean c'mon man,this is your argument? its insulting to anyones intellect to argue mundain things,there is no solid proof anywhere of aliens,stories are like opinions and we all know what opinions are like so I guess this argument could go on forever and round and round but its like this,you either believe or dont,I do not,you have no proof that will change my mind so big ups man,you proved me what?a skeptic?I could have told you that,no you proved that someone will always believe and someone will always doubt,its our nature.

Originally Posted by nakobass (Post 199156)

But you said yourself, you don't believe anything unless you see it with your own eyes. Everything you know about those things you saw on TV, just moving pictures. People telling you what happened, Second Hand account.
The same evidence exist for UFOs, but some how they are the exception.
Does that really make any sense?

Originally Posted by Tiberius (Post 199167)

I just want everyone to know, that just because you don't see it, doesn't mean it isn't there. Try telling church goers their God doesn't exist. I dare you.

Originally Posted by D00MTR0N (Post 199160)

look,the whole mind f%ck thing is not going to work on me,I know full well that certain things on tv are for real,people exist,I am a human and there are tons of us,THIS IS FACT,all your examples are proven,but this whole notion of bug eyed grey things flying around is laughable,there damn well could be life out ther but I highly doubt it is in any form close to ours,so I take it you believe in bigfoot and the easter bunny also?I will give you the benifit of the doubt and say no you dont,please repect me enough not to use elementry arguments like will smith and squids to argue your point.

Originally Posted by nakobass (Post 199170)

All I'm asking is why do you think those things are Proven. You believe they are because a significant amount of people have verified those things, through reports, videos, eye-witness testimony. The same proof exist for UFOs. Dismissing that evidence just because of your personal beliefs isn't very scientific or intelligent.

For me personally, if a significant amount of people have used the same type of evidence to claim UFOs, and Aliens exist. I tend to believe them.

Originally Posted by D00MTR0N (Post 199172)

here is my take on beliefs:Beliefs are dangerous. Beliefs allow the mind to stop functioning. A non-functioning mind is clinically dead. Believe in nothing."
with that said I ask you again to come to the table with a more relevant argument.

Originally Posted by Tiberius (Post 199239)

Edited post, because I don't want to start shit with cool arkers.

Originally Posted by Tiberius (Post 199250)

Either way, as I said, we can believe whatever we like. You believe all these events happen. I don't, although I think some could have. I am not going to close my mind on the possibility that Greys and Reptilians could or could not exist, that just isn't me. I enjoy hearing and reading about these things, that will never change. But because of a "lack of proof" doesn't mean I am going to close my mind about guests from outer space.

Originally Posted by nakobass (Post 199130)

What Kind of Proof do you want? Anything I tell you or show you, you will just dismiss it.
Btw Second Hand accounts and eyewitness testimony are why most people are sent to PRISON!

Originally Posted by Jason Abbadon (Post 199269)

Firstly, that's just not true- second hand accounts are inadmissable in court it's Hearsay. Any conviction based on hearsay would be overturned in a minute.

For example, I say "I heard Tiberus say he saw a UFO"- it means nothing because I could be recalling wrong, or bullshitting, or Tiberus could be nuts or anything.

Those kinds of alien stories cant be verified or trusted in any way.

Then consider that much of accepted "Alien Conspiracy" lore comes from guys like Bob Lazar- someone that claims he "worked at Area 51 on captured alien spacecraft". Everything this guy has ever claimed has been debunked- even his credintials are baloney.

So if you're providing proof, lets start with verifiable photographs- NOT of something in the air -as anyone with Photoshop can fake those better than most supposed "real" images.
I want a verifiable photograph of an alien.
Which no one ever EVER manages to get, despite everyone having a camera on their phone!

Also, these aliens are, frankly, pussies- why not fght them off? No one ever pokes one in those big black eyes? I'd grab me an handfull o' alien eye if they were looking to snatch me up for the ol' rectal probe!;)

The classic "paralized while someting was in the room" bit is as old as humanity- it's caused by Temporal Lobe Seizures. Even a mild seizure (sometime brought on by weather or dietary changes) can result in a religous or demonic...or extraterresterial experience.
And yes, thsi is proven- scienntists have re-created this exact experience in labs and it's been peer reviewed.

You seem convinced that aliens are contacting humans- why? Have you ever seen an alien? I'm guessing not. Many people laen towards conspiracy theories beacuse it's fun to think that most people are fooled...but you know the real truth!



Again, that's not evidence- I'm not saying those servicemen did not encounter someting unexplained, only that there's ZERO evidence for aliens in their accounts.

Healthy skepticism is not "dis-belief", it's looking at the world with an open and rational mind. There are many on the believers side that refuse to accept rational explanations to UFO sightings- even when the person that reported the sighting in the first place accepts it.

Humans are pattern seekers- our brains need to find a cause for things- and usually they find something to decide on to explain a (to them) unexplainible event.
For Example, Native Americans used to think Ball Lightening was the spirits of their ancestors and thunder was caused by the beating of Thunderbirds' wings.
They were not stupid- only limited by available facts and looking for a pattern.

It's the same with all the UFO stuff.

Originally Posted by D00MTR0N (Post 199168)

Beliefs are dangerous. Beliefs allow the mind to stop functioning. A non-functioning mind is clinically dead. Believe in nothing."

Originally Posted by IhsantheCursed (Post 199299)

You cant see your brain. Its there. Trust me. You cant see the wind. Its there. Trust me. You cant see atoms or a virus either. But these also exist.

The fact is that countless things in the universe exist invisable to us with or without human knowledge of them. Are there aliens? Maybe. Use logic, and any evidence presented, to determine which , and what, works best for you. Please, however, do not cower into the false-intellectual notions of an "Atheistic" veiwpoint to solidify your argument. It belittles those who feel differently. While I respect any veiw you have, I also ask you respect those of others aswell. Beliefs accomplished mankind much my friend. Whats truly dangerous is a rigid, unadaptable, and narrow-minded veiw of life and its workings.

Originally Posted by D00MTR0N (Post 199172)

here is my take on beliefs:Beliefs are dangerous. Beliefs allow the mind to stop functioning. A non-functioning mind is clinically dead. Believe in nothing."
with that said I ask you again to come to the table with a more relevant argument.

Originally Posted by Tiberius (Post 199250)

Either way, as I said, we can believe whatever we like. You believe all these events happen. I don't, although I think some could have. I am not going to close my mind on the possibility that Greys and Reptilians could or could not exist, that just isn't me. I enjoy hearing and reading about these things, that will never change. But because of a "lack of proof" doesn't mean I am going to close my mind about guests from outer space.

Originally Posted by IhsantheCursed (Post 199299)

You cant see your brain. Its there. Trust me. You cant see the wind. Its there. Trust me. You cant see atoms or a virus either. But these also exist.

The fact is that countless things in the universe exist invisable to us with or without human knowledge of them. Are there aliens? Maybe. Use logic, and any evidence presented, to determine which , and what, works best for you. Please, however, do not cower into the false-intellectual notions of an "Atheistic" veiwpoint to solidify your argument. It belittles those who feel differently. While I respect any veiw you have, I also ask you respect those of others aswell. Beliefs have accomplished mankind much my friend. Man believed that he could land on the moon. He did. Ghandi believed that he could protest without violence. He did. Whats truly dangerous is a rigid, unadaptable, and narrow-minded veiw of life and its workings, as the very nature of the universe itself is always changing, and expanding.