Originally Posted by Exodus (Post 297283)

Cool can't wait to get it, but I thought he gave Hope up to Cap, what happened there?

Originally Posted by Greenskar (Post 297290)

Yeah I forgot that part. In the panel where he says, "but I ain't the guy who kills kids" he's behind Hope as she's climbing over a boulder and he sends a message to cap on whatever avengers communicator they use. Then as he puts the communicator/cell phone away that's the panel where he says, "I'm the guy who saves them".

Which makes a whole lot more sense to me because he trusts Cap would never let any harm come to a kid unlike Cyclops who is currently desperate and more than willing to sacrifice in the name of mutant survival.

All in all this has been the best issue of the entire AvX event and possibly the entire WatXM series in general. I give this issue my very rare 5 out of 5 score. I must've read it four times already today.

Now I need to read the New 52 Batman annual, which I heard was also pretty good and introduced Mr. Freeze to the new 52.

Originally Posted by Greenskar (Post 297198)

I don't collect legacy. But here's what happened in WatXM #11:

Kid gladiator is drugged and abducted by his guardian in an attempt to flee the earth from the impending doom the Phoenix is expected to bring. Kid gladiator sees this fight as too big for him to miss and probably thinks it a proving grounds of sorts, so he breaks free and heads back to Earth to join the fight against the Avengers and is later seen punching Red Hulk in the face during flight.

There are multiple panels that show the various fights taking place between the A&X. Among them, Dr. Strange vs Magneto and Iron Fist vs Rachel Grey, however, the one fight that occurs that has me excited for the entirety of it during the next AvX: VS is Red Hulk vs Iceman. Its a surprisingly more even fight then you might think now that Iceman is seemingly about as strong now as the AoA version of him was.

The meat of this issue, though, focuses on Wolverine and Hope on their way to an AIM facility where they could jack a spacecraft to get them to the moon. During the blackbird flight Wolvie has flashbacks of Jean as the Phoenix begging him to kill her and him not being able to do it. He questions what he's even doing with Hope now and in general. Comments about how he's supposed to be there because he's the only one who can kill her if things go bad. Says he's supposedly "the best there is..." but since when did that involve killing kids?

Its then that they're shot down and attacked by Shi'ar Death Commandos. Hope borrows Wolverine's healing ability to survive the crash and then pops claws of her own to fight the commandos alongside wolverine. Wolverine reminds her that they've trained all their lives to kill and she reminds him she's been trained all her life to survive. They hold their own pretty well up until the Skrull commando impales and then guts hope while wolvie is being devoured alive by flesh eating bugs courtesy of the death Commando "Colony".

Then Hope goes Phoenix rage on everyone at which point Wolvie recovers and notices the dark Phoenix grin on hope while she takes out the death commandos and his claws pop ready to take her out. Then he flashes back again and sees Jean again pleading for him to kill her. Hope disengages the Phoenix power and reasons that the Phoenix must be close since her flare ups are getting stronger and asserts they should get to the moon soon.

SPOILER: the following is Wolverine's internal monologue exactly as it was written in this issue. If you want to read it yourself in this issue or in the collected book please skip the next few paragraphs.

Wolverines claws retract and the following internal monologue is spread out across several pages through multiple panels filled with various AvX fight scenes:

"Time to face facts...I'll never be able to do it. I'll never be able to kill her. No matter what. Its not just because she reminds me of Jean. Other than the hair she really doesn't. Jean was the most amazing woman I ever met. I look at Hope... and all I see is a kid. There was a time I could kill pretty much anyone anywhere for any reason at all. Bit that time's gone. "

"Even if it's to save the world, how could i go back to my school and face the kids there, with Hope's blood on my hands? How could i face myself? That ain't what I been fighting for. That ain't who I am. I'm Wolverine. Best there is at what I do. I'm the guy you call when there's somebody needs a good stabbing. But I ain't the guy who kills kids. I'm the guy who saves them."

Following that monologue Gladiator shows up to the Jean Grey school pissed demanding his son. End issue.

Originally Posted by KingLouie731 (Post 297421)

Makes me think our buddy Wolverine is going to take a breather soon. He kind of seems to be a less obvious lynchpin to this series, Wanda & Hope being the obvious ones, which has caused me to speculate. Plus what better way to help kill some of the Wolverine hype than to kill him and make him go away for a while. Hey I can hope right *no pun intended*

Originally Posted by Greenskar (Post 297452)

I don't want Wolverine to go away, just simply reduced to two books only. WatXM and Uncanny X-Force. He did his time with the Avengers...time to keep him in the school. I guess three books since he's got his solo that won't be going away ever.

But yeah, we can only dream. Marvel milks wolvie's popularity the same way DC does Batman. Throw him in everything and anything.

Originally Posted by Exodus (Post 297311)

Cool thanks for that, I like WatXM, but I just can't stand Chris Bacchalo's artwork, can't read the panels!!

Originally Posted by Greenskar (Post 297501)

Then you'll be happy to know Nick Bradshaw penciled this issue and not Bacchalo.

Originally Posted by Kaewin (Post 297906)

You know what is funny, for many years there was not Phoenix and all of a sudden it seems as if every few years it has to come back. This shit is old. They just need to stop it.

Also I saw the solicitation of AvX for issue 9 and 10 and the X-Men have somehow imprisoned the Avengers, what shit is this. When they groups first mixed it up the avengers were split but but the time this gets around it should be the full team. makes no sense.

Originally Posted by Greenskar (Post 297924)

After all the build up from Messiah complex through 2nd coming and all the hinting towards a connection between hope and the Phoenix its not like we didn't see this coming. It's been 5 yrs since the last Phoenix story and that entity has been a major part of X-Men lore since its inception to the books. I have no problem with bringing the Phoenix force back as long as its not Jean. So now its Hope. Ok. I almost wonder if the Phoenix chooses a different host since Hope is not a telepath and instead hope becomes the next Iron fist or something related to it with the Dragon chi to battle the Phoenix as its anti-thesis or something, which I would love to see.

Anyway, since I've been following from the Morrison run til now, pretty regularly, I'm looking forward to getting some resolution to the Hope/Phoenix build up. So far, the event, when counting its tie-in's, isn't the disaster that fear itself was. Although, there is still plenty of issues left to contradict that statement.

As for the X-Men imprisoning the Avengers...Its about time they got the upper hand at some point. The Avengers have been kicking their ass so far for the most part. I'm just curious to see what triggered the shift in power. Maybe Cyclops became the host of the Phoenix force and Marvel just blind sided everyone O_O

Originally Posted by xhavoc86 (Post 298117)

come to think of it, with the Avengers vs X-Men storyline, they should make a new fighting game similar to Marvel vs Capcom with Avengers vs X-Men characters

Originally Posted by Exodus (Post 298128)

That would be sick!!! Hopefully it's in the works, like how they used MUA2 with a Civil War story.

Originally Posted by Greenskar (Post 298150)

Now this I would enjoy. I never pick any of the capcom characters in the marvel vs capcom games. I prefer to play the marvel side. Give me another pure Marvel game and leave out the capcom guys! Lol.

Originally Posted by xhavoc86 (Post 298142)

My lineup for an Avengers vs X-Men game would be (basing this on the standard 36 characters in umvc3, and 2 dlc characters):

Team Avengers:
Captain America, Luke Cage, Wolverine, Spider Man, Thor, Ms. Marvel, Black Widow, Spider Woman, Hawkeye, Hulk, She Hulk, Nova, Dr. Strange, Wolverine, Iron Fist, Black Panther, Vision, Thing

Team X-Men:
Cyclops, Namor, Storm, Magneto, White Queen, Colossus, Gambit, Psylocke, Rogue, Archangel, Magik, Iceman, Dazzler, Sunspot, Cannonball, Fantomex, Rachel Grey, Danger

Team ??? (DLC):
Scarlet Witch, Sebastian Shaw

BOSS: Hope (has and mimics everyone's skills or maybe the Phoenix Force)

Originally Posted by Exodus (Post 298152)

You know they could easily do this especially since half of these characters have already been made Capcom/Marvel style, and they could just tweak the others for example Deadpool switch it up to Fantomex minus the swords.

Originally Posted by rodimus15 (Post 298180)

As much as I'd love an all marvel fighting game, you guys are crazy. LOL. What they need to do is make a Marvel Ultimate Alliance 3. Continue with the skrull invasion, into siege, skip fear itself and when the dust settles make another game. Marvel Divided Alliance based on AvX. I know I know, Brilliant. :D

Originally Posted by bmorr (Post 298189)

Id be happy if Marvel stepped up their animation game like DC does. I want to a dvd movie of this. Well, that and i really dont play video games.....

Originally Posted by rodimus15 (Post 298193)

True that. We haven't gotten an animated movie in a while.

Originally Posted by rodimus15 (Post 298193)

True that. We haven't gotten an animated movie in a while.

Originally Posted by xhavoc86 (Post 298201)

We never received a good animated marvel movie either. Nope.

Originally Posted by xhavoc86 (Post 298201)

We never received a good animated marvel movie either. Nope.