[Tiberius]

Think about it, There was no "War Zone" toy line or no movie version of that Punisher in MU. All the Punishers we got where comic book styled ones, pretty tame compared to the movie, or even Punisher MAX. But I see your point too, Watchmen was rated R or 18A or some shit and still got there own figures. But again, I don't think Hasbro did the Watchmen figures anyways. But I agree, rated G or R, Deadpool probably won't get his own toyline when he is already in XMO toyline and MU.

Still want my First Class toyline damn it..

[Crazy Jetty]

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Originally Posted by Greenskar

I believe fox's track record with handling Marvel characters is what the majority of fans are using as justifiable evidence. The only notable exception I can think of are any scenes that involve magneto young or old killing people.

That says more about the ineptitude of Fox's ability to handle a franchise, than it does the percieved limitations of a rating dictating that a movie would or would not be good.

The two are, and should be very distinct things.
Fox is bad. Fox handles movies very poorly. There for, it would not matter if it was R rated or not, as the track record indicates it would be Deadpool would be just as bad if it were rated R, as it would be if it were the more standard PG-13.

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Also, Wolverine killed a fair few people through the X-Movies.

[Exodus]

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Not really, since Kenner became Hasbro. ;P
Also, the agegroup Kenner was aiming at, is the same agegroup Hasbro does. In fact, given MU's collector oriented nature, I'd reason Hasbro's targeting older people, than Kenner's Alien and Predator lines were.

Didn't know Hasbro owns Kenner know...need to really pick up their stock

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Wow... X-men for the first time in ages isn't a big enough property to merrit a toyline... >_<
I remember when that used to be Avengers.

They did do a toy line with X-Men: First class, they just laid it easy with two 2 packs and minimates, but they did have figures for them...

[Crazy Jetty]

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Didn't know Hasbro owns Kenner know...need to really pick up their stock

Yeah, they bought out Kenner in the early ninties, and over the years they phased Kenner out and absorbed them, and their licenses. That's how Kenner ended up with Transformers, and how Hasbro now has Star Wars.

A little known fact, Kenner (Who owned Tonka by that point) was working on a Gobot revival, before Hasbro handed them the dead Transformers Franchise and told them to give it a make-over.
So we *almost* got Beast Wars Gobots. <3

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They did do a toy line with X-Men: First class, they just laid it easy with two 2 packs and minimates, but they did have figures for them...

To be fair, the First Class two-packs had nothing to do with the movie (Aside from capitalizing on the name), and the minimates aren't Hasbro (Which I presume by someone's context earlier by discluding direct market toylines that we were talking about standard retail toylines like Hasbro).

To the best of my knowledge Cyclops, Jean, Wolverine, and Sabertooth didn't even appear in the movie.

[Greenskar]

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Originally Posted by Crazy Jetty

That says more about the ineptitude of Fox's ability to handle a franchise, than it does the percieved limitations of a rating dictating that a movie would or would not be good.

The two are, and should be very distinct things.
Fox is bad. Fox handles movies very poorly. There for, it would not matter if it was R rated or not, as the track record indicates it would be Deadpool would be just as bad if it were rated R, as it would be if it were the more standard PG-13.

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Also, Wolverine killed a fair few people through the X-Movies.

Its not just the killing but display of it. I want to see kills in the magnitude of Kick Ass. Wolverine slashing people and watching them fall with a thus just doesn't do justice, sorry but it doesn't to me.

So since I know Fox cant make the quintessential Deadpool movie I wish they could...at least make it a good guilty pleasure by making it rated R. Just my take.

[Crazy Jetty]

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Originally Posted by Greenskar

Its not just the killing but display of it. I want to see kills in the magnitude of Kick Ass. Wolverine slashing people and watching them fall with a thus just doesn't do justice, sorry but it doesn't to me.

So since I know Fox cant make the quintessential Deadpool movie I wish they could...at least make it a good guilty pleasure by making it rated R. Just my take.

I guess it's difference of opinion on that part, because I honestly fail completely to see how a scene is better if Wolverine or Deadpool ran someone through with their blades, and was sprayed down with an unrealistic fountain of blood, than it would be if the scene lacked said gorey fountain.

Wolvie/'Pool stuck dude. Dude drops dead. One way has blood an is rated r, one does not and is rated pg-13. I just fail to see why one is better than the other.

[Greenskar]

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I guess it's difference of opinion on that part, because I honestly fail completely to see how a scene is better if Wolverine or Deadpool ran someone through with their blades, and was sprayed down with an unrealistic fountain of blood, than it would be if the scene lacked said gorey fountain.

Wolvie/'Pool stuck dude. Dude drops dead. One way has blood an is rated r, one does not and is rated pg-13. I just fail to see why one is better than the other.

How 'bout realism? While a fountain of blood is an exacerbation, I've been unfortunate enough to witness stabbings in my youth (damn barrios), and ya know what? They don't just drop dead, and there's a whole lot of blood. Who knew sharp things drew blood, huh? It also puts in perspective the famous wolverine quote "best there is at what I do..." really isn't very nice. Its NOT clean and its NOT funny and yaaaay wolvie's my hero to all little kids out there who adore a guy who fights with 3 foot long blades on each hand.

The very things that are making wolverine such a watered down character are these same elements you yourself have complained about. He gets away with murder and no consequences. Well paint the real horrifying freakin picture of what he actually does and now lets see how people respond.

Killing is horrifying. Watering it down and calling it heroic is what I think makes these movies crappy. Me, I have a deranged desire to see such carnage a d this would also just make the movie more fun for me. But I stand by my belief that making things like slicing through a guy with 3 foot long blades gory because its pretty damn messy and should be depicted as such.

[Crazy Jetty]

Except they don't do realism, in the movies. They either go for just under, or they jump passed to hyper-gore, or borderline hyper-gore.
I still don't see how mor equals better. If the script is good, the actors are good, and the effects are good, it's still going to be a great movie if it lacks the uber gore.
Likewise, if the script is bad, and the actors are bad, the additional gore is not going to make if a good movie.
Rating has nothing to do with it.
AVP:R was ten times more violent than AVP, and it was also ten times worse. Worse actors, worse script, worse directing, worse concepts.
A bad movie is going to be a bad movie, no matter what it's rating or content. And a good movie is going to be a good movie no matter what it's rated.

[Greenskar]

Those are all good points and true to fact. I still think its stupid to have a guy who's moniker is Merc with a mouth and typically fights with a full on arsenal of weapons in anything short of an R. Rating unless you plan to make this the super Hero movie equivalent of wile e coyote and road runner.

The last movie I saw with Mercs was the Expendables. I do not believe that movie would have been as good if it not rated R. Deadpool is NOT a hero. Let him do his thang.

[Crazy Jetty]

Like I said, I don't really care if Deadpool is PG-13, or R. I don't intend on seeing the movie, as I don't care for the subject matter no matter what rating it is.
My argument is to the viewpoint that a Deadpool movie would automatically be bad because it's rated PG-13.

Well, rereading the past couple posts, that was my original point at least. Got kinda sidestracked.
I just feel the that if the movie is going to be bad, that R rating and extra violence/language isn't going to turn it around. At least it wouldn't for me.

[Boba Fettuccini]

I read one of the leaked scripts, and all I can say is that if the movie is even HALF as well written as that, it will be fantastic. The cinematography could be overplayed like in Wolverine Origins very easily... but that would actually really fit with Deadpool. Over the top. That's all I have to say.

[yourfacehere]

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I read one of the leaked scripts, and all I can say is that if the movie is even HALF as well written as that, it will be fantastic. The cinematography could be overplayed like in Wolverine Origins very easily... but that would actually really fit with Deadpool. Over the top. That's all I have to say.

It'd be one of the few movies where Michael Bayish antics would be appreciated, especially bullet time effects.

Also, what scripts?