[Greenskar]

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Originally Posted by Jason Abbadon

My friend, avoid at the cost of your very sanity the storyline where Angel and nightcrawler turn out to be decended from extradimensional races that insipred Judeo-Christian beliefs...
Oh, and Angel's blood cures AIDS....and everyone knows mutants cant contract HIV.

Really. I wish I made that shit up.

By comparison, anythng recent, even with Greg Land's tracing, is gold.

*shudders*

WHYYYYYYY?!

Please tell me title of said storline so I don't waste time and money.

[trebleshot]

From what I've heard (and read), Schism sounds like a manure truck crashed into a locomotive hauling large quantities of fertilizer.

In other words, one steaming pile of shit train wreck.

Glad I'm not reading comics anymore. It seems to be much safer (and cheaper) to just read synopses and Wiki articles these days.

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Originally Posted by Greenskar

*shudders*

WHYYYYYYY?!

Please tell me title of said storline so I don't waste time and money.

Don't know the issue or storyline about Warren's blood, but here's the Wiki on his and Kurt's supposed heredity:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheyarafim#Cheyarafim_and_Neyaphem

[Jason Abbadon]

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Originally Posted by Greenskar

*shudders*

WHYYYYYYY?!

Please tell me title of said storline so I don't waste time and money.

Avoid anything written by Paul Jenkins.

Man...that guy puts serious anti-relgious stuff into almost every story he's allaowed to write and often adds in shit that not only makes no damn sense, it ruins other characters.
He created the Sentry and was allowed to write an after Seige fuberal epilogue wherein it's shown that Sentry and Rogue had a sexual relationship...which means either he was bangin' Rogue before she was 18 or when she was with Gambit and Sentry was already married...it's a total asshat story by the worst writer Marvel has ever EVER employed.

ever!


The same jackass wrote Civil War Frontline which made Tony out to be a war profiteer and alleges he was somehow behing the Stamford incident- a story so appaling a character-destroying that Joe Quesada said it was "just speculation by the characters" nad absolutely NOT what happened.


He's also behind Nightcrawler's father being a "demon" and...well, Wiki it for yourself. It almost completely wrecked both Nightcrawler and Angel as characters.

[Exodus]

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Originally Posted by Jason Abbadon

Avoid anything written by Paul Jenkins.

Man...that guy puts serious anti-relgious stuff into almost every story he's allaowed to write and often adds in shit that not only makes no damn sense, it ruins other characters.
He created the Sentry and was allowed to write an after Seige fuberal epilogue wherein it's shown that Sentry and Rogue had a sexual relationship...which means either he was bangin' Rogue before she was 18 or when she was with Gambit and Sentry was already married...it's a total asshat story by the worst writer Marvel has ever EVER employed.

ever!


The same jackass wrote Civil War Frontline which made Tony out to be a war profiteer and alleges he was somehow behing the Stamford incident- a story so appaling a character-destroying that Joe Quesada said it was "just speculation by the characters" nad absolutely NOT what happened.


He's also behind Nightcrawler's father being a "demon" and...well, Wiki it for yourself. It almost completely wrecked both Nightcrawler and Angel as characters.

Really, what issue was that for Siege with Sentry and Rogue? That's a bit crazy actually...

[proteus]

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Originally Posted by Jason Abbadon

My friend, avoid at the cost of your very sanity the storyline where Angel and nightcrawler turn out to be decended from extradimensional races that insipred Judeo-Christian beliefs...
Oh, and Angel's blood cures AIDS....and everyone knows mutants cant contract HIV.

Wow thats pure 24-carat genius....i can see that meeting now...well this guy looks like an angel....this furry guy looks a little bit demony...sooooooooooo how about we steal the origin story from wildC.A.T's and make them the originators of the whole angels and demons schtick...but extra-dimensional critters,not aliens.........

....and for my next trick....that wolfy looking guy with claws...was totally raised by wolves.....TA-DAAAAAAH!!!

Its this kind of blatant disregard for comic book history that will sooner or later bring Marvel crashing down,and they will start have to start churning out Disney-ified X-babies type books,with no real substance. You have to wonder if thats the whole idea,slowly but surely grind the company down,then justify closing the whole thing down "because its lost readers,is running at a loss",and is no longer viable.

Personally i cant wait for the Jack Skellington: flame-headed rider of Vengeance comic book!!!

And dont forget the X-Teens/Toy Story limited edition titanium die-cut pop-up comic book/3D animated movie with tie-in toy super-happy-mega-apocalypse level merchandised crossover event at your local MICKEYplex supermall/comic book/toy store™!!

Wolverine:"im the best at what i do bub..."
Woody:"Theres a snake in my boot!!!"
Wolverine:.........."sigh"...........SNIKT!!!!

[Exodus]

This should be interesting though, Marvel is top Comic so far...

Marvel Is Back On Top – Leads Market Share Over DC In December | comics-x-aminer.com

[Jason Abbadon]

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Originally Posted by Exodus

Really, what issue was that for Siege with Sentry and Rogue? That's a bit crazy actually...

Some sort of Seige aftermath bullshit- Tony shows up and talks about how Sentry helped him kick drinking (which never fucking happened) and Ben Grim talks about hoe he never liked the Sentry because he was jealous that he'd never be such a great hero as him...(which sure as fuck never happened!).

Really.

It's vomit inducing.



It was Jenkins pissing on as many characters as possible since they killed off the one he made.

[bmorr]

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Originally Posted by Jason Abbadon

Some sort of Seige aftermath bullshit- Tony shows up and talks about how Sentry helped him kick drinking (which never fucking happened) and Ben Grim talks about hoe he never liked the Sentry because he was jealous that he'd never be such a great hero as him...(which sure as fuck never happened!).

Really.

It's vomit inducing.



It was Jenkins pissing on as many characters as possible since they killed off the one he made.

it was jenkins stroking his ego.

[bmorr]

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Originally Posted by Exodus

This should be interesting though, Marvel is top Comic so far...

Marvel Is Back On Top – Leads Market Share Over DC In December | comics-x-aminer.com

well that didnt take long. Dc has been second place for a LONG time havent they?

[Greenskar]

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Originally Posted by Jason Abbadon

Some sort of Seige aftermath bullshit- Tony shows up and talks about how Sentry helped him kick drinking (which never fucking happened) and Ben Grim talks about hoe he never liked the Sentry because he was jealous that he'd never be such a great hero as him...(which sure as fuck never happened!).

Really.

It's vomit inducing.



It was Jenkins pissing on as many characters as possible since they killed off the one he made.

What? You didn't know Bethany was really the Sentry? Hell, Demon in a Void story explained everything quite clearly actually.

[Jason Abbadon]

Demon with a Psycho- the story you never knew happened in he mind of one crappy writer.

Oh, and the Thing relates the heartwarming story of the Wrecking Crew murdering a schoolbus full of children and how the Sentry helped him get over his rage from not being able to stop it.

Yep. the Wrecking Crew. Somehow worse than Carnage, if that issue is to be believed.

[Greenskar]

Some time ago many of us who had read this event expressed our overall disgust at how we personally felt this story was executed. As it turns out, this series was getting pretty rave reviews and after a long conversation with one of my closest friends and fellow comic fans, who really liked the story, I decided to re-open this discussion to see if anyone else has read this story yet and has a positive opinion about it.

I personally am still not in favor of this event. I will admit that one of my major reasons for disliking this event is purely based off of the choice of villain(s) who I could not take seriously, although Jason Aaron has been praised for them with comments like the following:

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Aaron has a talent for crafting quirky, memorable villains in a very brief span of pages, and that talent is readily apparent with Kade Kilgore

I also felt like there were better opportunities throughout the Messiah trilogy's X-Force events that could have caused the split between Wolverine and Cyclops than what actually did.

Now I not only read this story, but I bought the Hard Cover collected edition off the positive things I'd heard from people I know who read the single issues at the time of release. So my disappointment in those areas I described is accentuated by the money I spent to feel that way.

I wouldn't want that to discourage others who may very well enjoy this book for the moments that were good. To say the least I really liked the artwork towards the end of the book and the fight scene between Wolvie and Cyke was good.

I'm definitely interested to hear anything positive others have to say from their reading experience.

[bball831]

I wasn't really liking all their points of disagreement that led up to the final showdown between cyke and wolverine. I feel like wolverine has gotten soft with worrying so much over the kids. The one part I did like however was the point when Cyclops brought up Jean in their big fight. They had sentinels getting ready to blow down their front door and their big disagreement went right back to Jean.

[FancyPants]

I'm going to read this as soon as I finish secret wars. on issue 5.

[Greenskar]

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Originally Posted by bball831

I wasn't really liking all their points of disagreement that led up to the final showdown between cyke and wolverine. I feel like wolverine has gotten soft with worrying so much over the kids. The one part I did like however was the point when Cyclops brought up Jean in their big fight. They had sentinels getting ready to blow down their front door and their big disagreement went right back to Jean.

Interesting. This was actually one of the things that annoyed me. I should point out however that I grew up on the 90's cartoon and hated all the pathetic "JEEEEAAAAN!" Cries scott would throw out. Was never a fan of Jean although I recognize her importance to the X-Men mythology. So while it was definitely fitting of the two...it seemed like a petty cheap shot that was answered and a huge FTW when Logan named his school after her.

[Crazy Jetty]

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Originally Posted by Greenskar

Interesting. This was actually one of the things that annoyed me. I should point out however that I grew up on the 90's cartoon and hated all the pathetic "JEEEEAAAAN!" Cries scott would throw out. Was never a fan of Jean although I recognize her importance to the X-Men mythology. So while it was definitely fitting of the two...it seemed like a petty cheap shot that was answered and a huge FTW when Logan named his school after her.

I was never fond of the Scott/Jean couple... but I downright *hate* the Wolverine triangle. It's just... cliche, has no real chemistry to it, and just really doesn't work. It always annoyed me.
Either way, I always felt both Scott and Wolverine helf Jean back. She could have been a much more badass character without them.

[Snowflakian]

I'm fine with the points of disagreement. It's a valid point for a split tbh. The entire debate of where is the line on using children, and should they let kids be kids.


My problem with the event is it didn't really dive into it in itself. It was only in the outside of the schism event comics. The schism event itself along with regenesis just felt like a ton of macho BS primate chest beating and not really dealing with what the disagreement was about.

It wasn't until later in WatX that it really got a nicely worded explanation, ditto to generation hope around the time. Everywhere else it was just bleh.

So I'm fine with the idea of schism, I'm just not fond of how it was executed in the issues that were supposed to be all about what the issue itself was.

[Jason Abbadon]

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Originally Posted by Crazy Jetty

She could have been a much more badass character without them.

Except when they had her hooked up with the Beast...no part of that was in any way right.

I mean...um...and yeah, Hank's blue furry self has tagged Brand and Dazzler too.

I...I mean...he's a talking blue gorilla. It's creepy for him to be with normal women.

[Exodus]

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Originally Posted by Crazy Jetty

I was never fond of the Scott/Jean couple... but I downright *hate* the Wolverine triangle. It's just... cliche, has no real chemistry to it, and just really doesn't work. It always annoyed me.
Either way, I always felt both Scott and Wolverine helf Jean back. She could have been a much more badass character without them.

Agreed, that's why the AOA Jean is more appealing...

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Originally Posted by Jason Abbadon

Except when they had her hooked up with the Beast...no part of that was in any way right.

I mean...um...and yeah, Hank's blue furry self has tagged Brand and Dazzler too.

I...I mean...he's a talking blue gorilla. It's creepy for him to be with normal women.

Whoa when did he hit it off with Jean and Dazzler?

[FancyPants]

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Originally Posted by Jason Abbadon

Except when they had her hooked up with the Beast...no part of that was in any way right.

I mean...um...and yeah, Hank's blue furry self has tagged Brand and Dazzler too.

I...I mean...he's a talking blue gorilla. It's creepy for him to be with normal women.

gross. Can't get kelsey grammar's voice out of my head.

[Crazy Jetty]

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Originally Posted by Jason Abbadon

Except when they had her hooked up with the Beast...no part of that was in any way right.

I mean...um...and yeah, Hank's blue furry self has tagged Brand and Dazzler too.

I...I mean...he's a talking blue gorilla. It's creepy for him to be with normal women.

Beast and Storm in the Ultimate X-Men series were a good couple, I though. Felt much more natural to me than most of the "popular" relationships in the mainstream, like Jean/Cyclops, and Rogue/Gambit.

As for the Jenkins discussion... sounds like the dude turned Sentry into his own personal Mary Sue.