[Greenskar]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jason Abbadon

As to Frontline- they say themselves that it's all speculation- and Joe Q said that Stark never did any of that shit- that it was pushing the character too far into villian terriory- making him into Ozmandius from Watchmen.

*Snip*

Then Dissassembled happened, and then M day, which was a worldwide shocker, leading to scores of suddenly de-powered mutants getting hunted down and the public even more unsure and scared of powered people and the violence they seem to attract.

In Spider Man, Tony is shown secretely breaking laws to prevent the SHRA from happening, but he makes crystal clear in Illumaniti that no matter what happens, it's probably inevitible- he speculates that it'll be Spidey with his less than stellar reputation that will tip the scales, so he takes Peter under his wing, tries to polish his reputation, gives him a new costume to seperate him from his negative image, etc.

Before Stamford, Tony was trying hard to avoid the inevitible- not cause it.

What issue is this stated in? Because Maria Hill was under Presidential order to bring Cap in. Also, while the Marvel writers seem to not understand basic civics, it takes both the House and the Senate to propose leglislation and then the President has to sign it into law- considering the sorry state of Tony's political reputation after Disassembled, it's pretty farfetched to think of Tony crafting leglislation anyone would take seriously, much less support.

Events from Avengers: Disassembled was the real start toward SHRA- Wanda making Tony act drunk before the UN, causing him to lose his Defense Secretary position, the "Kree attack" , Vision's destruction, etc...leading to the Avengers disbanding and public faith in heroes plummetting.

But as jerky as the CW storyline is in places, the so callled "Age of Heroes" was far worse- starting with the President somwhow abolishing the SHRA- which is just not how laws work.
And there was no big heroic anything - once Steve returns, he suddenly decides to make his own X-Force team- completely casual with killing- a huge departure from his character's morals to the point where he's a whole different character.
He also decides that, since fifty states worth of super teams barely managed to stop an invasion, he should do away with all that- and not make a new SHIELD, instead decalaring "The Avengers will protect the world".

Yeah.

His Avengers- all twenty or so of them- sure failed in an EPIC way in Fear Itself.
Steve has screwed the pooch far worse than Nick, Maria or Tony ever did.
Nothing screams "EPIC FAILURE!" like the United States capitol getting destroyed.
No hotlinking. - Toyark Staff

Steve's just...not a good leader. Not for big things. Perfect for a six man Avengers team...but he's no Nick Fury.

Excellent argument. And completely agree about Cap. He's a great field leader in battle, but leave the theater of operations to the real leaders. I didn't think he deserved a spot in the Illuminati but that's just me.

I love me some Tony, he's definitely one of my favorite characters in the Marvel Universe but I have to be honest. If I must really be forced to take sides during this Civil War, I'll just head for the stars...



"That kind of puts the squabbles here in perspective, don't you think?" -Nova