[Jason Abbadon]

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Originally Posted by Crazy Jetty

Well, they didn't really say that the romulan empire fell apart. They just said that Romulus was destroyed. Nero's quest here is extremely personal, with his wife and family killed in the process. His whole world ended, but I don't recall them saying that the entire romulan empire was over and done. They didn't really have the time to do such. I think you're adding your own assumptions.



Because he was waiting for Spock Prime to arrive in this new universe. He wanted Spock to watch everything Spock loved destroyed, as he blaimed Romulus' destruction on Spock's failier.
Also, he was in klingon prison for a huge chunk of that time. This is mentioned in the film (His escape is what Uhura overheard and became a big part of the plot that Kirk pieced together, realizing this is the same thing that killed his father, and the Kelvin).
Parts of this were even filmed and cut out of the final movie. They're in the deleted scenes of the DVD.



I admit I assumed it was in Vulcan's system, possibly Vulcan's moon. Which I admit this whole part is one of the film's many oddities.



This is not even remotely a plothole. It's well established that ships are much more powerful in the 24th century than they are in the 22nd century. Romulan shields and weapons gave even the Enterprise-D a hard time, and she's a much more powerful ship than her namesake. Post TNG era ships are faster, stronger, and much more powerful than TOS era ships, even these new redesigns. Civilian ships would be no exceptions.
And in a hostile universe (The romulans are paranoid, and think everyone's out to get them), even civilian ships are often armed to defend. Nero's ship dominated everything in Kirk's era, but we never saw it fight Picard's ship. The D or E may have made mencemeat of it. Doesn't mean the original could.
And even if so, Nero's ship probably operated on the Klingon boarder, and was ment to defend itself against klingon warships. Which means it would have particularly strong shields and weapons.



As far as Nero is concerned, it has nothing to do with the TOS Romulans. His whole deal was personal. The added bonus was the TOS Romulan empire would benefit when he was done. He also used that to justify his screwing around with time. But the reality is he really wanted to make Spock pay for him losing his pregnant wife, and homeworld.

The rest I overall agree with, I just don't see them as dealbreakers. The cadet to captain thing is not accurate, but this is an origin movie with only a limited amount ot time to get all the key players in place. So I give them a break on that.

Besides... this movie made me actually *like* the character of Kirk. That goes a long way.

While you make good plot points, there's still the tired ass Trek formula of "insane villian with superweapon is coming to destroy TEH EARTHZ!!!

And no, there's no goddamn reason a mining ship has an arsenal- he says he was not a soldier. And why would a spaceship be poorly lit with a bunch of chains and dangeroud pitfalls with no railings? Oh, because it was filmed at a foundry, that's why.

The klingon prisoner stuff is also lame- he was what? captured by KLingons and inprisoned, they took his ship (somehow, since it destroys their whole fleet later in the movie) and he somhow escapes and takes back his ship and...
Shit, did we miss a movie or two here? They actually made an entire comic miniseries to explain all the shit that the movie skips over! Yes, really!
Why did Nero want to destroy Earth again?


Possily the movie's biggest crime is not doing more with Eric Bana- and the constant lensflares in every damn scene.

As a tech and science person, the movie is one of the worst Hollywood departures from sanity in recent times- yes, I know it's Trek, but part of Trek's appeal was always the semi-plausibility of the technology. Romulus getting destroyed was itself idiotic- if they knew the star could go nova for months, they had no one to blame but themselves for not evacuating- that's like saying if the victims of the Japan tsunami knew for months they'd get wiped out, instead of leaving, they hoped the UN would buil a breakwater for them.

Also, there are thousands of massive Romulan ships which each can carry upwards of ten thousand people in an emergency (as the Galaxy class can) and each can beam hundreds on board per minute (assuming they have Federation-level tech, which they clearly did) and each can easily move faster than light so...
Where were they? It's several minutes distance from a star to a planet in the "life zone"- and that's assuming the shockwabe was moving at the speed of light (unlikely).

More than enough time for some sort of evacuation there.
Hell, we saw the Enterprise outpace a nova shockwave in Generations at warp one, so it's hardly a new idea to Trek.

And there's more! The Enterprise is now far larger than the Galaxy class!
I shit you not, that's official- even the ship Kirk's dad srved on is bigger- because JJ wanted his stuff to be bigger, so he super-sized Gabriel Koerner's design (although the bridge is still for a 300 meter long ship somefuckinghow) and decided to super-size the nacelles into those awful blimps...and just for shits, make them sky blue.

So right away, the premise that Spock or Nero changed the timeline is shit- so many difference already existed prior to the encounter with Nero's giant squid.

If the premise was "A trek movie for people that dont already like Trek", then it worked great, but man, it's no closer to Trek than X-Men 3 was to the comics.