Integration

Shin Densetsu · 10-19-2009, 10:46 AM

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It was rumored that if Admiral Toys had gone into the 1/32 scale market with their Kate, it would have been selling for least $45-$50.

Yes but the Kate and Corsair they were planning were going to have many more removable and moving parts than 21st's 32X releases. If you have just an opening canopy, swing wings, and retractable landing gear on the Tomcat, it's nowhere near as many pieces as Fame Master's 4D 1/32 Tomcat.

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The A-10 is planned to be retired until 2028. That will give it one of the longest service time records for any military aircraft. Who knows what will change in that time frame. They may increase its service life even further, but I doubt it will be shortened.

Yes but my point was, like the Tomcat, it's successors don't actually "succeed" it. It's not like the F-14 and F-15 replacing the Phantom or F/A-18 replacing the Corsair, the 3 "teen" fighters outdid their predecessors in many ways, but the same c
annot be said with regards to the Tomcat and A-10 replacements.

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This tells me that we should have players in the field now that are willing to work with eachother.

It was good news to hear that months back but things may have changed.

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Not trying to rant or come across in a bad way, but part of the main problems that has been created in the 1/18 scale hobby is fans/collectors being told they are being listened to and want to give them what they want, but then the products that are produced aren't what is being asked for by the majority. This has lead to alot of disinterests and loss of collectors/fans.

Oh believe me I know. I've been asking for a Tomcat since 2005 and before me there were other fans asking for it as well. At around the same time you saw guys beg for the Warthog and even one guy going on a hunger strike.

I personally think we are going to see a Warthog before a Phantom.

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Kind of a mute point to wonder how much collectors/fans are willing to pay for a 1/18 scale A-10 in my opinion.

It isn't a mute point. If JSI wasn't wondering about that and the competition, don't you guys think they would have just gotten 21st's original prototype, prepped it for mass production and released it already? According to the boys at 21st, the last I heard, the prototype was still intact, and that was made years ago. Yet we are getting the Tomcat 1st. As you guys have pointed out, these aren't toys made by Mattel and Hasbro where production numbers are much higher. Production numbers for these are much lower and as all of you know, the models are much more expensive to tool and produce. It's not like lines here where if Hasbro has a Marvel license, and if Mattel has a DC license, both companies can only make products for the licenses they have. BBI, JSI, et al, can all have licenses for the same 1/18 aircraft.

One thing that has to be known as well, is that it can't just be modern stuff that is made. We all want modern models but JSI has to make profit to fund these releases as well. Once the F-14 and F-15 are released, we'll have all of the "teen" fighters, well most of the regular ones that is. WWII stuff has always sold and been popular, this isn't just limited to models but is also seen in games. The F-86 and MIG-15 releases were good because the main rivals of the Korean Air War were knocked out within 1 year. Amongst releases that fans want, what is left? From what I've observed through the years:

A-4 Skyhawk
F-5 Tiger
A-10 Warthog
F-4 Phantom II
P-51B Mustang
MIG-29 Fulcrum
AH-1 Cobra, reissue or more modernized variant
MI-24 HIND
F-22 Raptor
F-105 Thunderchief

Sure there are more aircraft that can be listed here but the above are the ones that I've noticed demand for. The Phantom and Warthog were some of the 1st planes I brought up to JSI, and they have taken into account the demand for them.

10-19-2009, 10:46 AM	#29
Shin Densetsu OPTIMUS GUINNESS Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 8,542	Quote: It was rumored that if Admiral Toys had gone into the 1/32 scale market with their Kate, it would have been selling for least $45-$50. Yes but the Kate and Corsair they were planning were going to have many more removable and moving parts than 21st's 32X releases. If you have just an opening canopy, swing wings, and retractable landing gear on the Tomcat, it's nowhere near as many pieces as Fame Master's 4D 1/32 Tomcat. Quote: The A-10 is planned to be retired until 2028. That will give it one of the longest service time records for any military aircraft. Who knows what will change in that time frame. They may increase its service life even further, but I doubt it will be shortened. Yes but my point was, like the Tomcat, it's successors don't actually "succeed" it. It's not like the F-14 and F-15 replacing the Phantom or F/A-18 replacing the Corsair, the 3 "teen" fighters outdid their predecessors in many ways, but the same c annot be said with regards to the Tomcat and A-10 replacements. Quote: This tells me that we should have players in the field now that are willing to work with eachother. It was good news to hear that months back but things may have changed. Quote: Not trying to rant or come across in a bad way, but part of the main problems that has been created in the 1/18 scale hobby is fans/collectors being told they are being listened to and want to give them what they want, but then the products that are produced aren't what is being asked for by the majority. This has lead to alot of disinterests and loss of collectors/fans. Oh believe me I know. I've been asking for a Tomcat since 2005 and before me there were other fans asking for it as well. At around the same time you saw guys beg for the Warthog and even one guy going on a hunger strike. I personally think we are going to see a Warthog before a Phantom. Quote: Kind of a mute point to wonder how much collectors/fans are willing to pay for a 1/18 scale A-10 in my opinion. It isn't a mute point. If JSI wasn't wondering about that and the competition, don't you guys think they would have just gotten 21st's original prototype, prepped it for mass production and released it already? According to the boys at 21st, the last I heard, the prototype was still intact, and that was made years ago. Yet we are getting the Tomcat 1st. As you guys have pointed out, these aren't toys made by Mattel and Hasbro where production numbers are much higher. Production numbers for these are much lower and as all of you know, the models are much more expensive to tool and produce. It's not like lines here where if Hasbro has a Marvel license, and if Mattel has a DC license, both companies can only make products for the licenses they have. BBI, JSI, et al, can all have licenses for the same 1/18 aircraft. One thing that has to be known as well, is that it can't just be modern stuff that is made. We all want modern models but JSI has to make profit to fund these releases as well. Once the F-14 and F-15 are released, we'll have all of the "teen" fighters, well most of the regular ones that is. WWII stuff has always sold and been popular, this isn't just limited to models but is also seen in games. The F-86 and MIG-15 releases were good because the main rivals of the Korean Air War were knocked out within 1 year. Amongst releases that fans want, what is left? From what I've observed through the years: A-4 Skyhawk F-5 Tiger A-10 Warthog F-4 Phantom II P-51B Mustang MIG-29 Fulcrum AH-1 Cobra, reissue or more modernized variant MI-24 HIND F-22 Raptor F-105 Thunderchief Sure there are more aircraft that can be listed here but the above are the ones that I've noticed demand for. The Phantom and Warthog were some of the 1st planes I brought up to JSI, and they have taken into account the demand for them.