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Originally Posted by DarkToyLord

interesting points..
and while i wholeheartedly agree with you on some..
that list would would be TWICE as long for almost any other star wars movie....
pleassssse don't get me started on the prequels....and i like ALL of them..but i accept them for what they are/were independent films

I think while you are right that many SW movies do have these sort of defects, the issue was the context. The Force Awakenings (TFA) did use certain narrative elements/tricks to build up expectations over certain characters and plot threads. One might say that people were wrong to fall victim to these narrative elements/tricks, but that would be to miss the point. Such narrative elements/tricks are there for the author/director to get the audience hyped up for the ultimate pay-off.

What TLJ did was take those expectations that were created, and then comically destroy almost everyone one of them. So as a standalone movie, TLJ probably works as a decent movie. But from a narrative that flows within the context of TFA and other SW movies, it fails as a narrative.

I think the best example is the last scene of TFA. If Luke had taken the saber and thrown it over his head at that very moment before the credits rolled, everyone would have wondered what sort of an ending was that! That is because the music, the camera angles, and everything was giving the audience cues that this was a positively special moment. But produce such a jarring result was what TLJ indeed did do!!!!

So my impression is that people who were a bit tightly invested in the SW movie details (which won't be every fan, but certainly a decent percentage of it), found this jarring effect intolerable.

It felt like a bait and switch.