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Originally Posted by Dr Kain

I had no issue with the duels, the Force, and Kylo Ren is badass. Also, the only Star Wars lore is what has been shown in the previous 8 movies and two cartoon series. I didn't see TLJ contradict anything from those.

I understand you did not. I am merely telling you that this is likely because you evaluate contradiction of narrative devices differently. Instead of seeing a bait and a switch, you think its golden style of storytelling that they surprised you by switching.

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Originally Posted by Dr Kain

Why are you trying to make me think this movie is bad because you don't like it? If you didn't like it because you thought it was a bad movie, fine, that's your call. However, if you didn't like it because it didn't do what you wanted it to, then that is quite childish.

I do not dislike it because it did not go the way I wanted it to go. Rather, my point is that the movie contradicted the very path it prefigured (by use of narrative devices) it would go. Contradicting what you set-up through narrative devices do have a place, in comedy!! Since SW is not in the comedy genre, contradiction is a sign that the storyteller messed up!

Now did you notice this while watching the movie? It is likely you did not, because you were entertained. But if one did notice it, then the movie starts to fall apart. Which brings us to the final point:-

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Originally Posted by Dr Kain

And no, a bad movie is one that is not the least bit entertaining. A bad movie is bad because it sucks. It's not enjoyable to sit through in the slightest ala Alien Covenant, Death Note, and the recent King Arthur.

This is a very naive view of evaluating storytelling. For an example, a movie like Schindler's list is not entertaining (unless one has a twisted mind). However, it is a good movie because of how well it portrays the subject matter. So it should be obvious that your metric/standard for judging movies is at least a bit off.

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Originally Posted by Dr Kain

Back to SW though, let me put it this way, the only bad Star Wars movie is a boring one, and TLJ was not boring.

I think it is very clear to me why you subjectively feel that TLJ is a good movie in that sense. I am just pointing out that from an objective point of view of evaluating it as a narrative within a larger context, it really is pretty bad!

Does it mean that you should not buy/see the movie? No!!! Does it mean that you should start hating it? No!!! This is merely an explanation as to why this movie is objectively bad. In other words, it is just pointing out that those who have problems with it aren't just people who are childishly unhappy that the movie didn't go the way they wanted.