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Originally Posted by BAD MOON

You should read the last Wolverine arc as it gives insight into why Wolverine is feeling more defensive over using the kids as soldiers.

Probably should. After that shitty wolverine in hell story I pretty much gave up on that title entirely.

It just annoys me that he's waited this damn long to finally stand up when he's felt this way for awhile. (Mentioned in early X-Force v3, among some other titles sporadicly, of course then those titles turn around and do the exact thing with him he's claiming to not want to do.)

Edit: Read issue 14. And yeah, it's not really setting this event up well at all on the why about the kids. Mostly because his discussion with Idie came before this issue was released, and also because he's made his arguments against children being used as weapons way back in X-Force v3 issue 1 besides the occasional remark post-messiah complex.

I do like the point it expressed about every person killed is a brother, sister, father, mother, daughter and son(which is true and something too often everyone forgets), but the execution of this as his finally getting the balls to stand up for the convictions expressed seems forced just to hammer the children part home. A view he's been stating for about 5 years now anyway, but never backing it up. Also the whole setup before this issue with the mongrels is also rather lacking in impact and feels like an author's attempt to blindside an audience with something for the sake of blindsiding them and not for story integrities sake(no foreshadowing, no suggestive nature to insinuate it, and more other than the one who looks like sabertooth). It has an air of a typical story twist for these kinds of stories but in such a way it seems implausible even for suspension of disbelief.

For wolverine it seems much deeper rooted than that, so while this issue may have played a part, if it really is what they are calling his 'turning point to finally man up about his convictions expressed before' it feels lacking. I hope schism covers this better. They have enough material to warrant it from just these past 10 years to not need a new forced event to drive the point home to him and the audience. So this whole 'wolverine no more' bit seems a little bit like overkill to make sure audiences are paying attention as opposed to using organic serial story-telling that comics were built on and known for. He's expressed his views about kids as weapons many times before this, he's just never finally manned up about it until the messiah stories were done when he kicked X-23 off the X-Force team finally. One could assume that near genocide of the mutants made him begrudgingly follow the orders of cyclops for the kids included, and the birth of more mutants means that time of war is over finally so he can think freely, but they need to hammer the point home better of why he's standing up for his convictions now over other times. Why Idie is the catalyst that makes him no longer stomach these actions any longer and stand up to cyclops. The revenge it might bring down later isn't a good reasoning so much as it's just a scapegoat for new audiences that didn't know wolverine has had these views since a few years before he got his true memories back. Though I do hope this hell arc changes his views about just killing everybody like he stated they should do to the scarlet witch in children's crusade. It just seems like they can't make up their mind where he falls in any given issue. One day he's caring and considerate to those around him about the pain he's caused others, and then other issues he's back to berserker rage, then back to saying little kids should worry about toys and ice cream while they are young and not fight or see wars or gruesome images. Then back to killing anything that moves. That's my issue with this entire event. It's too much picking and choosing what stories to use and what to ignore. Too much inconsistant characterization across the board to really hammer down a final cause.

It'd be much more fitting if they just approach it from the emotionally damaged angle to not screw kids up worse than they already are by making them do these unspeakable acts. To not let these kids think they are monsters and make it worse by having them do monstrous acts. That's the point that Idie brings to the table in her brief talks with him during schism. A point that's not covered in the wolverine goes to hell arc(which to be honest, outside of a few cool scenes of the fire claws, that entire story felt very half-assed, and riddled with blatant mistakes, errors and just outright screwups). "Kids are supposed to be kids, the grown ups are supposed to protect them" has been a view he's expressed since at the very least 2003(after it was shown in X-Men evolution it bled over to the comics for sure, but it could have been even before that).