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Originally Posted by vimagnum

Did people get really upset when ben reilly took over? I mean come on you know peter is going to come back Brian bendis may have stated that he wasn't but we all know he will and if he does.......SCARLET SPIDER MILES MORALES how awesome would that be.

Original ultimate Parker won't be back. At least not original parker unless they write in some kind of spider-coma story which would be too cliche even for ultimate.

That's the thing with ultimate. Death is Death in it(the offed a long list of characters already that have never been back despite fan outcries, even wolverine is dead now). There is no coming back. It's the one marvel universe where events once in play, stay intact unless there can be a real world driven type way to do otherwise. It's about growing from what's happened.

Now they could bring in a new parker clone, but in all likelihood Morales is here to stay. In the first issue they really pushed the grounded in reality bit too by using real things he would face in the real world. Like New York's school lottery.

I gotta admit, that was my only concern. That they would go all cliche on it, but thankfully so far they haven't. Heck they even brought in the Prowler!

I do frown on how it was marketed, but I don't think that was intentional and the press sensationalized it more than marvel meant to. Marvel should have reacted more like "Yeah he's black and latino, so what?" when the news did that. Bendis having two adopted children that he wants to write a role-model for makes more sense to me than this being some deliberate PC type move. Plus the new powers are going to be interesting to see as they develop from what was in the story.

Spider-Man has always represented it could be anyone under the mask, that any kid could idolize him or be him, and this just proves that. There are scenes in the spidey-flicks that even relate to this where people are arguing as to what he is under the mask(this is why spidey has a full body suit and mask that shows nothing). He's always just been a kid living in the shadow of with great power comes great responsibility, and chooses to do the right thing with it. In parker's instance it was caused by a tragedy. I also love that they gave credit to where it's due over the idea, and thanked Donald Glover for his campaign and injoke in his sitcom. So I'm indifferent so long as the story and characterization are done well. Which so far, they are.
Besides, Ben Reilly is black in the ultimate universe.
It's one thing to take let's say scott summers, and make him black after he's already white in a story of that universe, but an all new person under the mask gives them liberties to make it anyone they feel like, and really, after the Donald Glover campaign, who didn't see this coming?
Alt reality people from the start though, can be of whatever race or creed they want to write, so long as it's the same from the start and not changed willy nilly randomly. Like 616 fury to ultimate fury. This on the other hand isn't Parker at all, so it gives them free reign to do anything. If they started Parker off in this universe as black, I'd have no problem with that either so long as it was consistent. Which btw, wasn't ultimate Parker Jewish? Or of Jewish descent anyway? So it's not like he's ever been the complete same as 616 parker.

As for a base figure, I'd say really any spidey figure that's lean and extremely poseable. Maybe Future Foundation spidey? Though I guess that one would be too bulky for this kid's age. If you go through the numerous spidey body types in the spidey line you might find something that could work. They seem more lean than the MU ones, and more pose-able in some instances.

For the record on the sales though.
They've been extremely strong on this title already. The digital sales alone show he'll be around awhile. I'm not stating the at comic shop sales as they aren't out until the end of the month for the Diamond orders and first issue sales are always higher but taper off. Digital sales on the other hand don't have that resale market that the physical comic does(the reason #1's do well). So they are a good gauge of how he's doing for now. If they stay strong for issue 2 and the physical comic sales are still high, then yes he'll be around for a good long while until he meets the same fate as half of the ultimate universe has already met. So be prepared to get used to Miles. It looks like he's here to stay.

616 Ben Reilly as spider-man had two things against him. Though I loved him as spider-man, others didn't like the stories with how it was told, and coming off of overtly long clone saga didn't help. Sales dipped, but no one knows for certain if it was bad stories, bad timing, or fans adverse to the idea of anyone other than real peter parker under the mask. Personally, I had more of an adverse reaction to the disolution of the marriage than I did ben reilly as spider-man, or even Miles Morales as ultimate spider-man. The marriage was the cornerstone of hope for geeks that it gets better once you're out of highschool.