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I'm not going to bash or promote the issues. Catowoman just didn't interest me, Red Hood I will be reading more issues of to see where it goes with all this.

#1 issues even if sold out, aren't a good marker for success. Digital sales can be as there is no resale market, which essentially blocks on good chunk of why #1s sell well. There is a good chunk of collectors that just buy #1s in hopes they'll rise in value. The real question is how many people will keep reading them. So issues 2-7 matter the most. #1s are a quick sales surge, but it's moot if the readership slides back to where it was before the relaunch. So let's say half the new readers were #1 collectors, and the other half are genuinely interested in seeing if they'll collect and read this.

Nakobass is right, there is a doublestandard with Comic fans. Tony Stark for example couldn't remember having slept with Pepper and Maria, yet no one blinks an eye. Kory does it in only one issue with no backstory as to why yet, and people get up in arms. By human moralistic standards, she's a slut. (Whores get paid.) By her races standard it's not so simple. I'm not saying I agree or disagree, but it looks more like a potential story point they may explore. For that matter, how do we know her species works on the same paradigm as ours? For all we know at this point in the relaunch her people could have it swapped around as the women are the more sexually dominant gender, which made it easier for her sister to sell her into slavery. Heck, for all we know, their reproductive cycles could be reversed and it's the man who gets pregnant. Or for that matter, it could very well be the 'time/dimension altering wave' that created the DCnU that caused it. Since she's not an earthborn hero, her memories wouldn't be as changed, but since everyone is part of her personal timeline on earth, her memories are partially altered creating this confused persona that many call 'memory like a goldfish.' When in reality it could just as easily be a commentary on how often her human side memories keep getting changed from whatever crisis/time wave/zerohour/whatever arc of the week.

Men are also quite sexualized in comics. Sure it's torn shirts, but it's also rippling muscles, strong dominant men, and other sexual tension type story nuances that do attract female readers. For Women, it's not all about the penis itself. They have a slightly different definition of sexy than men. So yes, comics objectify both quite regularly. The only time I genuinely have a problem with it in comics is when a character has been a clear victim of abuse all their life, is underage, or otherwise has a paradigm that makes it illogical for a character to be objectified. Then it comes into question as just fanservice and lazy writing, as well as sex baiting for those horny teenagers. Kory, while yes being fanservice, has the potential for the story behind the whys to be explored later since this is a rebooted universe more or less where everything has happened 'differently'. There are a lot of problems with DCnU, and nitpicking the small ones doesn't make those go away.

A strawman argument is when something doesn't apply. The Tony stark comparison does, just the story behind it is reversed. We got the why stark had no memories first, and then his actions. You'd think people would complain more about that, as stark himself was mentally deficient and lacking memories as he slept with Pepper, and wouldn't even remember it the next hour let alone the next day. So it does apply, just that we've yet to see if there will be any story reason for Kory other than the fact she's an alien and thinks all humans look alike. It's a first issue, save the complaining for if it stays this way repeatedly, until then it's just a one off moment with story potential (especially now that people have complained, as they'll use it as a way to go "see, we did have a reason for that, so chill out").

As for Catwoman, she's always been a sexualized character. So her story really didn't much for me one way or the other. Mostly it was just a whatever, this is boring and it sucks that they won't build up the romance between the cat and the bat. It just jumped right into the entire dynamic of "yeah they fool around often cause batman likes doing his female villians that have slight moral obligations to be a criminal." My problem with DCnU is it really isn't a reboot at all except for Supergirl, Superman, Action Comics, Justice League, and JLI. Deathstroke's comic too. Everything else has clear mentions of past canon, vague mentions, or suggests lots of the same stories happened in this reality but they just happened differently. So many of the titles are alienating both new and old readers. Many of the titles didn't even really reboot, like batman, nightwing, GL, and so on. Which makes it all the more confusing to new readers.

So let's just take a step back. See if this is really going to be the new Kory with no explanation, and then once we know if she's going to just be one of those sluts/tools that will just screw anything on two legs without any kind of reason whatsoever other than liking sex. Even if that is the case, why isn't she worried about pregnancy at all? I'll forgo the STD concerns because of her alien physiology, but it really isn't that uncommon for even humans both male and female to act this way, and they don't have the entire morally and culturally different views an alien might have. Not saying that's an excuse, just that give it another two or three issues to make certain she is what everyone is rallying behind and crying foul on. Comics are a serial medium, one issue does not a defined character with all the reasoning make. Many might say the same about tony stark if they'd only read the one issue during stark dissassembled of him sleeping with pepper potts.

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Originally Posted by nakobass

Maybe this is just a DC thing. I don't have 1 DC comic in my entire house. I've always been a Marvel guy. I wonder if Black Widow or Ms Marvel did the same thing, would there be such a backlash. Because of the edgy content, I'm seriously interested in this comic. I guess DC is trying to get rid of there "Goody Too Shoes" image. And if it means more DC comics like Red Hood and the Outlaws. I'm all for it.

Ms. Marvel has a rape storyline, and Black Widow has a sexual apetite, but she's a spy so it tends to be somewhat expected/used to her advantage. Marvel tends to play up a more 'sex in the city' usage with their female avengers that's just boring to read and also makes it seem like all women need a man in their life.


To be fair. My personal view on this is the same as some others. They should have used this reboot to make the characters like Starfire, Raven, even Clark for that matter, more akin to what new readers may expect. Like now they have a chance to add chloe into Clark's origin. They could have picked up on the more titans toon era Raven to appeal to the fans that never liked the Titans comic one(possibly even help crosspromote the upcoming new CW show), they should have done the same with Kory, and given us one that has a valid reason to want to stay on earth, or at least given us some a real reboot, and shown us how point A led to point C. Instead of bam, "here's point C without points A and B. It's a reboot deal with it" type mentality they are doing with all of them but Justice League, Blue Beetle, and Action Comics.