[Greenskar]

YEEEEEEEEES...passionate fanboys (myself included) unite and let your inner geek be heard!

The hell with protesting against Wallstreet, Let's go after two of the biggest fictional 1%'ers in DC and MARVEL right here right now!

I want to apologize if I came off sounding like a dick about sticking to the OP, I only requested it because this is a unique twist of "so n so vs. so n so" that really has my interest and isn't your typical "nu-uh, so n so is immortal and omnipotent...blah blah blah" type of poll.

And I've thought the same question myself more than once.

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Originally Posted by quipp209

N I think we all.read what the thread was about but who cares who can buy who out lol we all wanna c a fight

sure and if you can go convince DC, Marvel and Capcom to make a joint licensing deal that results in Marvel vs DC with a capcom fighting engine...well then the hell with Batman and Iron Man

YOU will be my new hero!

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Originally Posted by Crazy Jetty

No challenge. While you're vastly underselling Bruce, Batman, and Waynetech, you're now overselling Ollie. He's a terrible CEO. After running Queen Industries into the ground, he lost his company.
Unlike Bruce, he couldn't balance Family Man Ollie, Public Facade Playboy Billionare Ollie, Humanitarian Ollie, CEO Ollie, and secret vigilante Green Arrow.
He's basically so bad at it that he's lost his company, he lost his city, he lost his fortune, he lost his secret identity, he lost his wife, he lost his son, and he lost his daughter.

So no challenge there. Stark wins.

I don't believe I'm vastly underselling Bruce or waynetech, I believe people are overestimating the public perception of Bruce Wayne, actually. Primarily with all the "batman" arguments. Who the hell knows he's Batman if they're pitching Wayne a huge contract?

While on the other hand, Stark being Iron Man IS public knowledge and he is going to be recognized as the superior inventor to anyone in Wayne Enterprises.

The Bruce I know has never been "known" publicly as an inventor. The Bruce Wayne I know has the public opinion of being an irresponsible, superficial playboy who lives off his family's personal fortune and the profits of Wayne Enterprises (an excerpt from his wiki page that I agree with).

It's also interesting that people bring up Stark's alcoholism when in fact, since perception is everything in business, Bruce pretends to have a drinking problem even though he doesn't really drink alcohol. He creates the public perception that he is the opposite of what makes him so powerful as Batman to throw people off of his track of being his alter ego. But that perception also is what he is believed to be as Bruce and that needs to be considered as well.

Here's where I believe I've gone wrong with my arguments. I work in Program Management in my company, it is my job to win bids for new contracts and negotiate future market share to keep the front end of the business secure, so I know a bit about what is considered in awarding a huge business contract from real life experience. So I'm 100% biased by my real life negotiations and encounters with such a competitive bid. I refuse to accept the attributes associated with "Batman" because I don't believe they hold weight in a contract bid where there is absolutely no knowledge of Batman's ties to Bruce or Wayne Enterprises by those pitching the development contract.

I make my decision for this poll based on the following assumptions and knowledge of Wayne Industries and Bruce Wayne, as well as Stark Industries and Tony Stark, from a purely "Business perspective"

1. I'm assuming this is a defense contract for a technological development that needs to still be designed, prototyped and fully qualified by D.O.D before it can be considered for Mass Production. This is where we stand.

2. Bruce Wayne, due to his masterful acting skills, has convinced me he is half interested in being nothing more than a liaison to the government while he assesses his Technology Division's Engineering capacity to meet the requested specs while he plans his next big getaway. Luckily Fox is there to keep me interested.

Tony, on the other hand, is perhaps the greatest inventor I have ever heard of and is also the superhero known as "Iron Man". If anyone can deliver the prototype on schedule and exceed my expectations its him. I just wish he also didn't know this...that guy's such an arrogant dick.

3. Wayne Steel, Wayne Yards, Wayne Aerospace and Wayne technologies have all manipulated alien technology that has been used in military aircraft and naval warships. They even designed many of the war jets and helicopters for the U.S military. Definitely worth noting for their Superior Manufacturing line.

Stark Industries- The company that manufactures the armor worn by Iron Man and War Machine. It builds the helicarriers used by SHIELD. It produces the quinjets used by the Avengers. Damn, that's a cut above the standard military IMO.

4. I consider Tony Stark to be the superior inventor of whatever needs to be developed. Given his track record.

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Originally Posted by CLASSIFIED

@Greenskar

I think you are deliberately underselling Wayne Tech's and Batman's achievements in the business world/ ability to produce technology and overselling Stark in order to make your point.

Realistically, the outcome would be determined by whomever tells the story.

Wayne Tech and Stark Industries both make bids on a defense contract for a friendly country who is in imminent danger and whose protection is of vital importance to the world at large.

The country in question of course goes with Stark at the outset because of his obvious experience in the field, but Bruce doesn't trust Stark and won't go down without a fight.

Oracle hacks into Stark's systems in order to sabotage his efforts publicly so that the country will change its mind.

Cassandra Cain breaks into Stark Industries in order to steal Stark's tech and give Batman an edge.

Nightwing confronts Pepper in order to convince her Wayne Tech should get the contract for the greater good.

Bruce takes the leader of the country out and shows him a good time in an attempt to schmooze him.

Batman breaks into Stark's penthouse and tries to scare him into backing out; this is where the obligatory fight between Batman and Iron Man takes place.

At this point Bruce probably figures out that Iron Man and Stark are one and the same, but it doesn't matter, the country has decided to go with a joint bid submitted by Lexcorp and Oscorp, possibly because of Bruce and Tony's back and forth.

Batman and Iron Man team up to smash Luthor and Osborn. Wayne Tech gets the contract, but Stark Industries builds the actually defensive technology the country will use to protect itself.

Sometimes in the world of business, it isn't who offers the better actual product, but the business man who makes the better pitch. Bruce is a master manipulator, and while Stark may build better technology, Bruce is more persuasive.

So based on everything you just said here's what I learned from your synopsis of how Bruce handles this situation:

1) Bruce Wayne, having no reason for thinking Tony Stark doesn't have America's, let alone the world's, best interest at heart in spite of what he's demonstrated as Iron Man (again which is public knowledge)...That makes Bruce a very paranoid individual. Not a very endearing quality for business.

2) Bruce, suffering from delusional paranoia, decides to break every anti-trust law imaginable and resorts to industrial espionage to shut down any chances Stark has at a fair business opportunity. The repercussions of such a blatantly illegal tactic would be the biggest display of weakness Bruce Wayne has ever subjected himself to and it would send ripples throughout the industry crippling his resources as Batman when he finally decides to fight crime.

3) Bruce Wayne, apparently not satisfied with paranoia and industrial espionage, decides he might as well add "Bribery" to his list of crimes by taking out the head of the country and, as it was so eloquently described, "schmooze" him.

4) Bruce loves his friends so he decides to involve them on his path to prison.

5) Bruce, being delusional and paranoid forgets that he's also schizophrenic and decides Batman must break into another hero's penthouse and therefore provide the final piece to the puzzle that will tie Bruce Wayne's recent crimes to Batman and reveal them to be one in the same and forever tarnishing Batman's legacy. It's at this point Bruce realizes he lost it way back in 1) and should have just negotiated the sub system contract, but it's too late.

Sometimes in the world of business, it's best to consider the legal ramifications of your actions when you embark on such a ridiculous crusade such as the one mentioned above.

Ohhhh, but wait a minute... Bruce's code of Honor and Integrity would NEVER allow him to be that stupid in the first place. He recognizes that the world's safety is what's important and that it doesn't matter who wins that bid for it so long as it secures world safety and therefore asks Stark how he could lend his resources for assistance on this matter that is beyond pettiness.

So clearly what you described wasn't Bruce Wayne, but rather it was an alternate reality where Jason Todd actually controlled Wayne Enterprises. That makes so much more sense. I get it now.