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Originally Posted by Greenskar

the blanket statements started to fly, but its all good. I can respect that you dislike a specific character, but when criticism of events that haven't even been experienced by the reader are made with such conviction it does get frustrating.

It really is unfortunate that you feel so strongly about how bad Marvel stories are as a general belief based on some misguided comments from comic clubs. While I won't entirely discredit that some elements of particular events may be ridiculous or poorly conceived, that isn't to say the entirety of a story was crap.

Some wonderful reads since HOM include: (as Jason pointed out) Joss Whedon's run on Astonishing x-men, Brubaker and Fraction's Immortal Iron Fist, Planet Hulk, (while Jason has his issues with it) Fraction's Invincible Iron Man I enjoyed from 1-34 including the annual, Messiah complex through 2nd coming, X-Force was great, Uncanny X-Force is excellent, the death of captain america thru the trial of captain america and Annihilation vol 1-3, Conquest and the entire Nova series deserves multiple reads IMO.

I'm among the most vocal of the comic threads when it comes to crap stories so you should know I have no clear bias about my choices. Stories I thought were bad include: secret invasion, schism, siege, shadow land (still mad at myself for reading it), recent avengers vol 1&2 that dealt with kang and the hood respectively, curse of the mutants and endangered species are among the stand out crap fests I've read.

Sometimes though, it just comes down to a readers taste in characters and comic brands. This is not an accusation, simply a statement.

I used to be big into X-Men. I mean, massively. (Both X-Titles, and Generation X, with some X-Factor and some Excalibre. With Age of Apocalypse being one of my favorite storylines, ever). And I stayed on them like glue. Pissed me off when Jemas cancelled Gen X because "Ultimate X-Men did the same thing with the 'real characters.'" But I still stayed in it.
But when Morrison did his standard mahgic of changing everything just to change everything, that pretty much killed me. I stayed through most of his run, but I dropped it towards the end of his run. Dropped Uncanny, for being mindnumbingly dull at the same time, and dropped X-Treme X-Men for getting stupid.
Since he's dropped off, I've sincearely tried to get back into it. I enjoyed Academy X, until they started screwing around with that after the godaweful "Only 300 mutants in the whole world" storyline.
The rest of the marvel universe sounds just as dreadful. Nothing... absolutely nothing, outside of Planet Hulk sounds the least bit appealing. Most of it is due to Quesada having no business IMO being EiC. At one time I'd thought Bill Jemas was the worst thing that could happen. Until I realized Jemas was protecting us from Quesada.
Marvel is incapable of leaving a good thing alone. If they have something that works, they're incapable of leaving it alone. They either cancel it, or start changing everything about it until it's just like the rest of their shlock (Young Avengers, and Academy X are excellent examples of this).
Ir was about when Morrison took over X-Men is when I jumped ship to DC. Which was also about the time when Geoff Johns started to reinvigorate it.

To this day, Marvel Characters are still my favorites (Though DC has better aliens). They're more colorful, both figuratively and literally. But over the last ten years or so, DC's writing has been way more agreeable. The stuff they've had I didn't like has been nowhere near as bad as Marvel's worst. Save for the Batman's Death storyline. But then That's Morrison, and Morrison should never be allowed to write for stuff that doesn't belong to him.
But I have geuinely tried to get back into Marvel, at several points. Nothing has been even remotely good to me.
The best way for them to turn around is to get off this mega event thing, and let the books stand on their own. (Even DC throws me when they start a new crisis or mega crossover. I still haven't bothered to read Final Crisis)

Hope that helps you understand my place a little more.
I've always respected your opinions on things, even if I may not share them. And I also believe you when you say I've been misinformed, or I've misunderstood things other people have told me.