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Originally Posted by Snowflakian

The original turtles never had multicolored bandana's. That was a movie and toon thing to differentiate them and market them. The original comic turtles all had the same bandana.

They have acted like teens throughout all. No one said Teen role-models, just teenagers. That includes the pizza, angst, drama, egos, attitude, and problems with authority. It also includes their wanting to learn more about the world they are in. The entire teen angle of too young to be on their own, but wanting it nonetheless.

The CBS seasons aren't fan favorite seasons by any stretch, and is what led to that era of TMNT dying.

I do agree they can cater to both kids and adults, but without the show airing, how can you say for certain that's not what they are doing anyway? 2k3 many would have said "Kiddie BS" before it aired too, and yet that show and follows up brought the line back tot he mainstream and is hailed as one of the best TMNT series yet.

Ratings and toy sales are too different things though. A show can be successful and make money even without a toyline and vice versa. It just helps marketing to have one. They are two distinct revenue streams, and I'm sure they don't expect every adult that watches the show to buy every toy, while they do want the kids to.

TMNT was still built on a kids market though, and that's where the toys lean, though they still have more poseability than any previous mainstream turtles line has ever had.

If you want 'original forms' look at the NECA figures. Not the playmates ones/original toon ones.

... that's what I was saying, that is exactly what I was inferring, that is why they don't look anything like the original.

Have you honestly met any teenager that can directly relate to them "exactly"? This is fantasy, and not everyone likes pizza; this is a very diverse statement, the appeal is to a certain crowd. And if you didn't notice, they are on their own throughout the whole series, the TMNT family is on their own. And I don't recall monsters, aliens, space travel, time travel, irregular mutant behavior, ninja training, or in that general ideal to be what a normal teenager has to go through or to what they act like (today's teens are... well, more varied and I can say nothing like TMNT in the general stance.).

For the majority, even from the eighties cartoons, they don't even SOUND like teenagers; sometimes they can talk like a teenager, and sound nothing like one, then they don't sound like them and then can't talk like one either at times throughout. This statement you made is so diverse, too many angles, you can't expect a bunch of teens to be the only fans here driving the bullet and I know they just don't intend "teens" to be the show case appeal.

That depends on who you talk to, because I can honestly tell you that Ten seasons of continuance of the old TMNT series isn't a small feat.

That is because they advertised, and promoted, those TMNT seasons without the kiddie crap. That also depends on who you talk to, because I am more than certain there are many people who would disagree with you. 2k3 is my favorite modern TMNT series, and I feel the best out of the bunch, they never promoted it in its start-up a "kiddie" series and they proved how un-kiddie related it was when you watched it. This, this new TMNT, it's just about as dorky and stupid as the old eighties series. Are they promoting gun fights? Impressive monsters? Mature, Sophisticated and dark turtles? No, they are promoting kids toys and a silly concept. It isn't an adult appeal, at all, not even in the slightest resemblance.

Toys aren't what make the series, that dies off after a while, and then everyone wants the show or movie. Even now, everyone is getting more attached to digital technology- toys are becoming indifferent in many aspects.

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TMNT has always been aimed at children, as have the other properties and toons you mentioned. It's just they also cater enough so parents can enjoy it too as well as fans, but again we've yet to see anything here to say that's not what they are doing anyway for the tv show. The main intent here is to get a new generation of kids into it to keep the line strong. Going too violent would also make many parents not want to let their kids watch it like how many parents don't like their kids watching power rangers or spongebob for the adult humor.

Not always, not for every concept, and what about 2k3?

But this isn't that kind of a generation, parents are for more lenient than they were twenty years ago and many many TMNT fans are adults if not most of them. TMNT is extremely violent, that's how it remains in its appeal, ninja-action-violence. And yet Power Rangers and Sponge Bob are extremely successful, so what does that tell you about the modern generation?