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Snowflakian · 02-16-2012, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by SaitoNetwork

... that's what I was saying, that is exactly what I was inferring, that is why they don't look anything like the original.

Have you honestly met any teenager that can directly relate to them "exactly"? This is fantasy, and not everyone likes pizza; this is a very diverse statement, the appeal is to a certain crowd. And if you didn't notice, they are on their own throughout the whole series, the TMNT family is on their own. And I don't recall monsters, aliens, space travel, time travel, irregular mutant behavior, ninja training, or in that general ideal to be what a normal teenager has to go through or to what they act like (today's teens are... well, more varied and I can say nothing like TMNT in the general stance.).

For the majority, even from the eighties cartoons, they don't even SOUND like teenagers; sometimes they can talk like a teenager, and sound nothing like one, then they don't sound like them and then can't talk like one either at times throughout. This statement you made is so diverse, too many angles, you can't expect a bunch of teens to be the only fans here driving the bullet and I know they just don't intend "teens" to be the show case appeal.

That depends on who you talk to, because I can honestly tell you that Ten seasons of continuance of the old TMNT series isn't a small feat.

That is because they advertised, and promoted, those TMNT seasons without the kiddie crap. That also depends on who you talk to, because I am more than certain there are many people who would disagree with you. 2k3 is my favorite modern TMNT series, and I feel the best out of the bunch, they never promoted it in its start-up a "kiddie" series and they proved how un-kiddie related it was when you watched it. This, this new TMNT, it's just about as dorky and stupid as the old eighties series. Are they promoting gun fights? Impressive monsters? Mature, Sophisticated and dark turtles? No, they are promoting kids toys and a silly concept. It isn't an adult appeal, at all, not even in the slightest resemblance.

Toys aren't what make the series, that dies off after a while, and then everyone wants the show or movie. Even now, everyone is getting more attached to digital technology- toys are becoming indifferent in many aspects.

Not always, not for every concept, and what about 2k3?

But this isn't that kind of a generation, parents are for more lenient than they were twenty years ago and many many TMNT fans are adults if not most of them. TMNT is extremely violent, that's how it remains in its appeal, ninja-action-violence. And yet Power Rangers and Sponge Bob are extremely successful, so what does that tell you about the modern generation?

I actually enjoyed the later seasons, but if you look at the numbers for those last CBS seasons, and talk to the average kid reactions from the time, alongside even most modern fan discussions of it. It all comes to the same thing with marketing data to prove it. Those last CBS seasons are what killed the tmnt franchise.

Power Rangers going strong is a different argument entirely, it's not geared entirely for the 4 and up crowd unlike tmnt. PR has an audience of 8+ intended.

If you really look back at 2k3, while it was more balanced in story conveyance, they did use a lot of techniques to cover up the action. It also had more of a lesson to the episodes as well to balance the violence. (Most notably the anti-gang episodes, among many others.)

It's called a teenage stereotype btw. The pizza, attitudes, and growth are all drawn from teenage stereotypes. Yes it deals with scifi/fantasy elements too, but again they are talking turtles so why does that matter? The stereotypes for the personalities still remain true even with the ninja training.

It's fine if you don't like the new direction the show may take or how the toys look that's fine, but to call it wrong on any level without seeing how it's executed is rather asinine. They have TMNTC for collectors like you. Let this generation have their new take. 2k3 turned out great, and this has just as much of a chance to be as great or better.

TBH, you sound like the same people that bemoaned TF animated, and then later praised it.

02-16-2012, 03:41 PM	#89
Snowflakian Illyria's New Qwa'ha Xahn Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: In the clouds. Posts: 4,120	Quote: Originally Posted by SaitoNetwork ... that's what I was saying, that is exactly what I was inferring, that is why they don't look anything like the original. Have you honestly met any teenager that can directly relate to them "exactly"? This is fantasy, and not everyone likes pizza; this is a very diverse statement, the appeal is to a certain crowd. And if you didn't notice, they are on their own throughout the whole series, the TMNT family is on their own. And I don't recall monsters, aliens, space travel, time travel, irregular mutant behavior, ninja training, or in that general ideal to be what a normal teenager has to go through or to what they act like (today's teens are... well, more varied and I can say nothing like TMNT in the general stance.). For the majority, even from the eighties cartoons, they don't even SOUND like teenagers; sometimes they can talk like a teenager, and sound nothing like one, then they don't sound like them and then can't talk like one either at times throughout. This statement you made is so diverse, too many angles, you can't expect a bunch of teens to be the only fans here driving the bullet and I know they just don't intend "teens" to be the show case appeal. That depends on who you talk to, because I can honestly tell you that Ten seasons of continuance of the old TMNT series isn't a small feat. That is because they advertised, and promoted, those TMNT seasons without the kiddie crap. That also depends on who you talk to, because I am more than certain there are many people who would disagree with you. 2k3 is my favorite modern TMNT series, and I feel the best out of the bunch, they never promoted it in its start-up a "kiddie" series and they proved how un-kiddie related it was when you watched it. This, this new TMNT, it's just about as dorky and stupid as the old eighties series. Are they promoting gun fights? Impressive monsters? Mature, Sophisticated and dark turtles? No, they are promoting kids toys and a silly concept. It isn't an adult appeal, at all, not even in the slightest resemblance. Toys aren't what make the series, that dies off after a while, and then everyone wants the show or movie. Even now, everyone is getting more attached to digital technology- toys are becoming indifferent in many aspects. Not always, not for every concept, and what about 2k3? But this isn't that kind of a generation, parents are for more lenient than they were twenty years ago and many many TMNT fans are adults if not most of them. TMNT is extremely violent, that's how it remains in its appeal, ninja-action-violence. And yet Power Rangers and Sponge Bob are extremely successful, so what does that tell you about the modern generation? I actually enjoyed the later seasons, but if you look at the numbers for those last CBS seasons, and talk to the average kid reactions from the time, alongside even most modern fan discussions of it. It all comes to the same thing with marketing data to prove it. Those last CBS seasons are what killed the tmnt franchise. Power Rangers going strong is a different argument entirely, it's not geared entirely for the 4 and up crowd unlike tmnt. PR has an audience of 8+ intended. If you really look back at 2k3, while it was more balanced in story conveyance, they did use a lot of techniques to cover up the action. It also had more of a lesson to the episodes as well to balance the violence. (Most notably the anti-gang episodes, among many others.) It's called a teenage stereotype btw. The pizza, attitudes, and growth are all drawn from teenage stereotypes. Yes it deals with scifi/fantasy elements too, but again they are talking turtles so why does that matter? The stereotypes for the personalities still remain true even with the ninja training. It's fine if you don't like the new direction the show may take or how the toys look that's fine, but to call it wrong on any level without seeing how it's executed is rather asinine. They have TMNTC for collectors like you. Let this generation have their new take. 2k3 turned out great, and this has just as much of a chance to be as great or better. TBH, you sound like the same people that bemoaned TF animated, and then later praised it. __________________ Last edited by Snowflakian; 02-16-2012 at 03:43 PM..