[behindthemask]

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Originally Posted by thechris

I respectfully agree and disagree on a few points. I think DC has far more heroes who you can look up to than Marvel. Marvel has kind of gone the gray area with a lot of their heroes. Not a lot of wrestling fans here, but I still say that it relates a lot to pro wrestling. Marvel has a lot of Stonecold Steve Austins. Wolverine is a cigar puffing fowl mouthed cold blooded murderer. Tony Stark, a womanizing playboy who does what he does because he "feels like it" are at the forefront of Marvel's flagship heroes. Tony Stark and Deadpool are terrible role models. More DC heroes definitely take home the Boyscout award. I think the whole reason people feel like they can relate to Marvel heroes than DC heroes is because they're more flawed. They lie, they steal, they cheat on their husbands and wives, they do drugs, they smoke, they're alcoholics. Not to say that DC heroes don't have their share of flaws, but Marvel humanizes their heroes by giving them bad habits and loose morals a LOT more liberally than DC did pre-New 52. New 52 feels like the Marvel writers got a hold of the DC storyboards and this is all just a very bad joke.

Also don't really agree with you on the part about DC heroes only being dealt with in a single way. Marvel has a plethora of heroes with no superpowers who haven't had their lives ended by a bullet to the head. In fact, even most of the heroes who HAVE powers aren't bulletproof nor do they wear bulletproof clothing yet never take a bullet to the head. Maxwell Lord shot Blue Beetle in the head with a gun so obviously it does happen from time to time. Superman has been shown to possess more than one weakness, Kryptonite is just the one most advertised in the media. It's possible to beat him to near death, Doomsday saw to that. He's also shown weakness to magic. Also, his near invulnerability in itself has been shown to be a flaw in that he is often overconfident. In DC Universe Online, in an alternate timeline, Lex Luthor and a number of popular villains finally kill every member of the Justice League including Superman. Point is, it's a comic book, you're meant to suspend disbelief that Batman would still be alive. Why would they kill their flagship character with a bullet to the head? If you're going to play that card, you should give the exact same standard when dealing with Marvel.

Also, I think few things are more iconic than the S shield on Superman's chest and the Bat Signal. Am I right?? I may put Wolverine's claws and the classic Spidey suit near the bottom of a top ten list but Iron Man's arc reactor wouldn't even break the top 20.

As far as the bullet thing, I'm making reference to vigilanties. As with comicbooks there's 3 kinds of hero's. There's the mutant kind born with super powers. There's the accident type where some explosion or walk down the wrong street ends up with super powers ex DD/PP. Then there's the vigilanty who has no power, but has resources and wants justice to be made where the police fall short. Punisher,blade, Batman all fit into this category. I'm just saying where as Blade and Punisher carry guns, bulletproof vests, they risk their lives and get shot. Where as batman has a rubber suit and batarangs, he's more liable to be dead from a gun shot then the other 2. I will say the s on superman's chest and bat signal are iconic, I'd be lying if I said otherwise. But batman/superman are the exceptions for me, as I grew up watching the cartoons, superman movies and batman tv show with Adam West. I would argue though that Captain america, spiderman, and IronMan aren't as iconic or near the same level, especially if you poll today's generation of readers. When I think Marvel I think, avengers, xmen and spiderman, when I think DC it's batman and superman.