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yourfacehere · 05-06-2012, 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Optimatron

Ahh but you see...I never said he wasn't a "True" fan....I only said that I am a traditional fan, meaning I like the 616 Thor, the helmet, and I wish Hemsworth would wear it. Good job on putting things into your own context, and trying to put words into my mouth though. Better luck next time.

Whoa no need for that kind stuff man, he was talking about your destinction between traditional and "casual" fans.

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Hmmm...last time I checked Thor is magic...and I'm pretty sure if magic dictates the helmet is for his protection, it would stay on no matter what. As for it being ceremonial...so says a deleted scene from Thor, not exactly canon when it didn't even make the official cut of the origin movie. At least Tom Hiddleston respects the idea of Loki's modern helmet. He knows that he should be wearing it during battle...and how about that...it just appears and disappears at his will. I doubt anybody can knock it off...kinda like it's bonded to his genetic/magical make-up.

Does it really dictate that it's for protection? I think it played off of Thor's character since he's supposed to be brash. Really his chest armor seems to fill the role of bodily protection. Then again he is either super advanced or a magic god, so it doesn't really matter.

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As for the Ultimate Universe...it's garbage. It was specifically designed for the "casual" fan jumping into comics due to the Marvel movies. It seems to be for people that can't wrap their heads around the complex backstories of the 616 universe, or are too lazy to catch up via wiki (kinda the samething I guess). All in all, it's a pretty half-assed marvel universe. Also, I don't remember the ultimate version having a cape, chainmail armor, OR a very busy chest piece. I don't think this version resembles that "ultimate" disapointment as much as you wish it did. The chainmail is derived directly from Modern Thor, and the busy chest armor looks more like some of the Asgardian armors Thor wore in the late 90's. Even the helmet's movie design is taken from Thor's Battle Armor, and Thor was rocking the beard YEARS before the Ultimate joke.

IT was a summed up marvel universe, it was designed to breathe new life into the marvel universe and entice young fans, who weren't willing or able to read hundreds of issues worth of backstory and retcon, and felt turned off to jumping into a new book if you couldn't catch up in a decent amount of time. Additionally reading off of the wikis aren't usually reliable since they are scarcely maintained and sometimes can be way out of date.

However they changed around a lot of characters backstories in the ultimate universe, and turned it into something completely different.

THe movie itself borrows from the ultimate book in that Thor claims that he's a god but people don't believe him, and think he's crazy, until he manages to get his hammer back from shield(being his armor I believe, in the comics). Additionally they threw in a reference or two to the original book like the Donald Blake bit.

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Oh, and even my girlfriend thinks Thor would look cooler if he wore the helmet, and as much as she crushes on Hemsworth...she basically laid it out just like it is. He wants face-time, he doesn't want his money-maker obscured by a helmet. Even Chris Evans...once again has his mask ripped off in the Avengers. It's more plausible this time, but it's still for the same reason. They want people to think of them when they think of these characters. That's what it boils down to...but keep up with your rationalizations why he shouldn't wear the helmet. I don't care. You can have your opinion...I'll stick to mine.
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Personally I think the helmet looks stupid, just because you and your girlfriend think differently doesn't make it true.

Unless the pretty boy says he wants to show his face, I won't hold your opinion as fact.

Maybe he wants to be known as Thor, who wouldn't? Maybe he hates the helmet,, the woman who played Batgirl in the Batman movie, had the directors cut the half of her cowl off because the thick rubber was uncomfortable and ripped out her hair. Or maybe he wants to get recognized as the actor who played Thor so he can continue getting work after the Thor movies.

Bottom line is, there's multiple reasons for it.

05-06-2012, 09:52 PM	#14
yourfacehere Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 727	Quote: Originally Posted by Optimatron Ahh but you see...I never said he wasn't a "True" fan....I only said that I am a traditional fan, meaning I like the 616 Thor, the helmet, and I wish Hemsworth would wear it. Good job on putting things into your own context, and trying to put words into my mouth though. Better luck next time. Whoa no need for that kind stuff man, he was talking about your destinction between traditional and "casual" fans. Quote: Hmmm...last time I checked Thor is magic...and I'm pretty sure if magic dictates the helmet is for his protection, it would stay on no matter what. As for it being ceremonial...so says a deleted scene from Thor, not exactly canon when it didn't even make the official cut of the origin movie. At least Tom Hiddleston respects the idea of Loki's modern helmet. He knows that he should be wearing it during battle...and how about that...it just appears and disappears at his will. I doubt anybody can knock it off...kinda like it's bonded to his genetic/magical make-up. Does it really dictate that it's for protection? I think it played off of Thor's character since he's supposed to be brash. Really his chest armor seems to fill the role of bodily protection. Then again he is either super advanced or a magic god, so it doesn't really matter. Quote: As for the Ultimate Universe...it's garbage. It was specifically designed for the "casual" fan jumping into comics due to the Marvel movies. It seems to be for people that can't wrap their heads around the complex backstories of the 616 universe, or are too lazy to catch up via wiki (kinda the samething I guess). All in all, it's a pretty half-assed marvel universe. Also, I don't remember the ultimate version having a cape, chainmail armor, OR a very busy chest piece. I don't think this version resembles that "ultimate" disapointment as much as you wish it did. The chainmail is derived directly from Modern Thor, and the busy chest armor looks more like some of the Asgardian armors Thor wore in the late 90's. Even the helmet's movie design is taken from Thor's Battle Armor, and Thor was rocking the beard YEARS before the Ultimate joke. IT was a summed up marvel universe, it was designed to breathe new life into the marvel universe and entice young fans, who weren't willing or able to read hundreds of issues worth of backstory and retcon, and felt turned off to jumping into a new book if you couldn't catch up in a decent amount of time. Additionally reading off of the wikis aren't usually reliable since they are scarcely maintained and sometimes can be way out of date. However they changed around a lot of characters backstories in the ultimate universe, and turned it into something completely different. THe movie itself borrows from the ultimate book in that Thor claims that he's a god but people don't believe him, and think he's crazy, until he manages to get his hammer back from shield(being his armor I believe, in the comics). Additionally they threw in a reference or two to the original book like the Donald Blake bit. Quote: Oh, and even my girlfriend thinks Thor would look cooler if he wore the helmet, and as much as she crushes on Hemsworth...she basically laid it out just like it is. He wants face-time, he doesn't want his money-maker obscured by a helmet. Even Chris Evans...once again has his mask ripped off in the Avengers. It's more plausible this time, but it's still for the same reason. They want people to think of them when they think of these characters. That's what it boils down to...but keep up with your rationalizations why he shouldn't wear the helmet. I don't care. You can have your opinion...I'll stick to mine. . Personally I think the helmet looks stupid, just because you and your girlfriend think differently doesn't make it true. Unless the pretty boy says he wants to show his face, I won't hold your opinion as fact. Maybe he wants to be known as Thor, who wouldn't? Maybe he hates the helmet,, the woman who played Batgirl in the Batman movie, had the directors cut the half of her cowl off because the thick rubber was uncomfortable and ripped out her hair. Or maybe he wants to get recognized as the actor who played Thor so he can continue getting work after the Thor movies. Bottom line is, there's multiple reasons for it. __________________ Yourfacehere's emporium of garbage! My bst! Check it out!Updated with MEGAZORDS!