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Shin Densetsu · 10-18-2009, 10:59 PM

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Even if JSI were to produce 1/32 scale, don't expect it to sell for the $15 to $25 price tag. Think more like $55 to $100.

$100 is a stretch, I highly doubt a 32X Tomcat would go for that price. $60 is more reasonable, that's the price BBI's Phantom went for, and that one was an online exclusive that never went to the big 3(Walmart, TRU, Target). Not to mention both aircraft are similar in size, it's not like an F/A-18 compared to an F-14, where one is way smaller than the other.

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I'd rather them keep their focus on 1/18 scale like they are doing. At least until they get more of the subjects that collectors/fans have been asking for over and over out, yet no other manufacturer has had the guts to do.

1/18 won't end anytime soon for JSI, and 32X products will not get in the way of their 1/18 products, it never did when 21st made both 1/18 XD and 32X products. 32X isn't something for release immediately.

Hell they were planning both 32X and 1/18 XD Phantoms when the Phantom was announced at Toy Fair 2007.

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well said these aircraft are truly works of art, not toys. and fame master has produced a 1/32 f-14 and well it s $150

Fame Master's F-14 costs $150 because of the high amount of small parts. The higher the amount of small parts, the higher the tooling cost for the molds. I have that model and you guys would not believe how many pieces it comes with. Sure at 1/32 scale, the Tomcat is not a giant but the amount of parts is the most I have ever seen for a pre-painted 1/32 model. Tamiya's Tomcats go for high prices because the amount of parts as well.

JSI wouldn't do something like Tamiya and Fame Master because they know their market is different. We aren't guys who necessarily have the time to build and paint kits from scratch. I doubt JSI's Tomcat would have anywhere near the amount of parts that Fame Master's F-14A has. All I would expect from a 32X Tomcat are the following:

retractable landing gear
opening canopy
swing wings
swappable weaponry/fuel tanks

That's pretty much all the 32X models had(aside from the swing wings, a swing wing aircraft was never made for the 32X line). The 32X fans are used to those features; it's not broke so there's no need to fix it. Due to an exponentially smaller amount of parts compared to Fame Master's and Tamiya's 1/32 kits, a 32X Tomcat would cost exponentially less.

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but , hopefully for those who want pilots perhaps they will produce them in the future.

It's coming

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another thing why would you put a gi joe in such a fine aircraft, this is a replica not a toy.

It's because the only other figures up to par would be BBI's F-16 and F/A-18 pilots, and unless you go on Ebay, there's no other way to obtain them without having to buy the Falcon and Hornet. No one wants to buy both of those planes just for the pilot.

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GI Joe collectors do in a small way broaden the fan base and consumption of 1/18 scale military items. Here is another reason that an A-10 should be produced in 1/18 scale.....think Rattler.....it will appeal to GI Joe fans the same way the F-14 does.

Both planes appeal to fans as well, because they are unique, and because their supposed successors cannot do the job the same way that they can. For example, the F-35A will take on the A-10's role when it's retired but it can't do the job as well as the A-10. The F-16 was tested with a 30mm gunpod in order to see if it was a feasible replacement; it wasn't. The F/A-18E/F Super Hornets are good for today's wars but cannot match the range(with or without weapons mounted), speed, and interception/acquisition range of the F-14 Tomcat. Hell things might be different now, but a few years back during the last times that the Tomcat was used in combat, it's LANTIRN bombing system was unmatched by any other allied aircraft, even the F-15E Strike Eagle. The Bombcat was able to bomb and acquire targets from a higher altitude than the Super Hornets. Not to mention it was able to fly faster for FAC(Forward Air Controller) missions.

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I can see where GI Joe fans would want to put a Joe in one of these. The Skystriker was an F-14 after all and true 1/18 scale make Hasbro's stuff look well....small.

Well that and most notably, after years of fans wanting to see a reissue of the most venerable and iconic G.I. Joe aircraft, Hasbro has yet to release the Skystriker.

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Forget European Jets and WWII right now.....the 1/18 scale community NEEDS and WANTS an A-10 WARTHOG!!!!!!!!

Oh believe me, they know.

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They have no competition now so strike while the timing is right.

That's just the thing; as JSI and longtime XD fans remember, the competition is very quiet. JSI does not want overlap. 21st Century Toys was a big learning lesson for them. I don't think ANYONE is happy with what happened after Toy Fair 2007; a 1/18 Phantom announced by 2 entirely different companies and 2 years later STILL no Phantom. The Phantom was not the only time that both companies planned to release the same aircraft. The ME-262 and F-86 Sabre come to mind. Hell even the Mosquito, it wasn't a big secret that Roy Sutherland, CEO of 21st was a huge fan of the Mosquito. The WWII fans wanted it, and years later who announced plans for it when 21st was gone? Admiral Toys. Whether it was something initiated only last year or not is anyone's guess, but regardless, it's a plane that fans wanted, and by a different manufacturer than fans would have thought.

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Don't let us collectors/fans down with this one JSI, you have given us renewed hope.

I don't think they will. They strive to outdo themselves, chances are, as good as the Tomcat will turn out, the Flanker and Eagle will probably surpass it. They do not want to live in 21st Century's shadow, they know 21st Century Toys had suspect quality control.

One thing to consider to, is how much you guys would be willing to pay for an A-10. I think it's a worthy addition to the 1/18 line but like the Tomcat, it is a large aircraft, and has several weapons. Right off the bat I would say there are at least 4 releases we can speculate about:

green European camo w/sharkmouth
green European camo
gray
gray w/sharkmouth

Some of the gray ones with retooling can be released as OA-10A's. The sharkmouth is iconic, and the green camo is very popular; it's the camo most people saw the A-10 painted in when it entered service. I predict that an A-10 would be in the $150-200 range, depending on how many weapons are included.

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Shin Densetsu OPTIMUS GUINNESS Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 8,542	Quote: Even if JSI were to produce 1/32 scale, don't expect it to sell for the $15 to $25 price tag. Think more like $55 to $100. $100 is a stretch, I highly doubt a 32X Tomcat would go for that price. $60 is more reasonable, that's the price BBI's Phantom went for, and that one was an online exclusive that never went to the big 3(Walmart, TRU, Target). Not to mention both aircraft are similar in size, it's not like an F/A-18 compared to an F-14, where one is way smaller than the other. Quote: I'd rather them keep their focus on 1/18 scale like they are doing. At least until they get more of the subjects that collectors/fans have been asking for over and over out, yet no other manufacturer has had the guts to do. 1/18 won't end anytime soon for JSI, and 32X products will not get in the way of their 1/18 products, it never did when 21st made both 1/18 XD and 32X products. 32X isn't something for release immediately. Hell they were planning both 32X and 1/18 XD Phantoms when the Phantom was announced at Toy Fair 2007. Quote: well said these aircraft are truly works of art, not toys. and fame master has produced a 1/32 f-14 and well it s $150 Fame Master's F-14 costs $150 because of the high amount of small parts. The higher the amount of small parts, the higher the tooling cost for the molds. I have that model and you guys would not believe how many pieces it comes with. Sure at 1/32 scale, the Tomcat is not a giant but the amount of parts is the most I have ever seen for a pre-painted 1/32 model. Tamiya's Tomcats go for high prices because the amount of parts as well. JSI wouldn't do something like Tamiya and Fame Master because they know their market is different. We aren't guys who necessarily have the time to build and paint kits from scratch. I doubt JSI's Tomcat would have anywhere near the amount of parts that Fame Master's F-14A has. All I would expect from a 32X Tomcat are the following: retractable landing gear opening canopy swing wings swappable weaponry/fuel tanks That's pretty much all the 32X models had(aside from the swing wings, a swing wing aircraft was never made for the 32X line). The 32X fans are used to those features; it's not broke so there's no need to fix it. Due to an exponentially smaller amount of parts compared to Fame Master's and Tamiya's 1/32 kits, a 32X Tomcat would cost exponentially less. Quote: but , hopefully for those who want pilots perhaps they will produce them in the future. It's coming Quote: another thing why would you put a gi joe in such a fine aircraft, this is a replica not a toy. It's because the only other figures up to par would be BBI's F-16 and F/A-18 pilots, and unless you go on Ebay, there's no other way to obtain them without having to buy the Falcon and Hornet. No one wants to buy both of those planes just for the pilot. Quote: GI Joe collectors do in a small way broaden the fan base and consumption of 1/18 scale military items. Here is another reason that an A-10 should be produced in 1/18 scale.....think Rattler.....it will appeal to GI Joe fans the same way the F-14 does. Both planes appeal to fans as well, because they are unique, and because their supposed successors cannot do the job the same way that they can. For example, the F-35A will take on the A-10's role when it's retired but it can't do the job as well as the A-10. The F-16 was tested with a 30mm gunpod in order to see if it was a feasible replacement; it wasn't. The F/A-18E/F Super Hornets are good for today's wars but cannot match the range(with or without weapons mounted), speed, and interception/acquisition range of the F-14 Tomcat. Hell things might be different now, but a few years back during the last times that the Tomcat was used in combat, it's LANTIRN bombing system was unmatched by any other allied aircraft, even the F-15E Strike Eagle. The Bombcat was able to bomb and acquire targets from a higher altitude than the Super Hornets. Not to mention it was able to fly faster for FAC(Forward Air Controller) missions. Quote: I can see where GI Joe fans would want to put a Joe in one of these. The Skystriker was an F-14 after all and true 1/18 scale make Hasbro's stuff look well....small. Well that and most notably, after years of fans wanting to see a reissue of the most venerable and iconic G.I. Joe aircraft, Hasbro has yet to release the Skystriker. Quote: Forget European Jets and WWII right now.....the 1/18 scale community NEEDS and WANTS an A-10 WARTHOG!!!!!!!! Oh believe me, they know. Quote: They have no competition now so strike while the timing is right. That's just the thing; as JSI and longtime XD fans remember, the competition is very quiet. JSI does not want overlap. 21st Century Toys was a big learning lesson for them. I don't think ANYONE is happy with what happened after Toy Fair 2007; a 1/18 Phantom announced by 2 entirely different companies and 2 years later STILL no Phantom. The Phantom was not the only time that both companies planned to release the same aircraft. The ME-262 and F-86 Sabre come to mind. Hell even the Mosquito, it wasn't a big secret that Roy Sutherland, CEO of 21st was a huge fan of the Mosquito. The WWII fans wanted it, and years later who announced plans for it when 21st was gone? Admiral Toys. Whether it was something initiated only last year or not is anyone's guess, but regardless, it's a plane that fans wanted, and by a different manufacturer than fans would have thought. Quote: Don't let us collectors/fans down with this one JSI, you have given us renewed hope. I don't think they will. They strive to outdo themselves, chances are, as good as the Tomcat will turn out, the Flanker and Eagle will probably surpass it. They do not want to live in 21st Century's shadow, they know 21st Century Toys had suspect quality control. One thing to consider to, is how much you guys would be willing to pay for an A-10. I think it's a worthy addition to the 1/18 line but like the Tomcat, it is a large aircraft, and has several weapons. Right off the bat I would say there are at least 4 releases we can speculate about: green European camo w/sharkmouth green European camo gray gray w/sharkmouth Some of the gray ones with retooling can be released as OA-10A's. The sharkmouth is iconic, and the green camo is very popular; it's the camo most people saw the A-10 painted in when it entered service. I predict that an A-10 would be in the $150-200 range, depending on how many weapons are included. Last edited by Shin Densetsu; 10-18-2009 at 11:02 PM..